SAFETY OF ECA

[jgntyce]

Just how safe is it to take ECA indefinitely, especially with the added guaifenesin found in Bronkaid and Primatene?

 

[Afi140]

I don't think daily long term effects are truly know. I take a break after 12 weeks unless it's straight ephedrine. Others may say different but I err on the side of caution.

 

[jgntyce]

I don't think daily long term effects are truly know. I take a break after 12 weeks unless it's straight ephedrine. Others may say different but I err on the side of caution.

thanks brother. any fat loss supplements that can be taken indefinitely? I know diet is key, but I'm just curious.

 

[HIT4ME]

Safety isn't really a "set in stone" thing with any chemical. I think it is wise to take a break from any stimulants and almost all fat burners - but long term use of EC should be relatively "safe" in my non-medical, non-legal opinion. People with asthma take similar substances for their entire life, every day - albeit at slightly lower doses.

 

[peter01]

thanks brother. any fat loss supplements that can be taken indefinitely? I know diet is key, but I'm just curious.

If diet is on point then there is no need for long term use of fat loss supps.

And yes, they do carry risks when taken long term.

 

[jgntyce]

Safety isn't really a "set in stone" thing with any chemical. I think it is wise to take a break from any stimulants and almost all fat burners - but long term use of EC should be relatively "safe" in my non-medical, non-legal opinion. People with asthma take similar substances for their entire life, every day - albeit at slightly lower doses.

makes sense in regards to those with asthma. thanks!

 

[peter01]

makes sense in regards to those with asthma. thanks!

Physicians prescribe albuterol for asthma at the mcg level. Fat loss requires up to 16 mgs to be effective.
That's like saying its OK to a long term blast of 1000mg of test a week because dr's prescribe trt on a routine basis (ignoring the fact that they do so at 100mg a week)

 

[peter01]

Try to avoid anything long term. Use these as aids for achieving the results you want. But nothing more.

 

[HIT4ME]

Physicians prescribe albuterol for asthma at the mcg level. Fat loss requires up to 16 mgs to be effective.
That's like saying its OK to a long term blast of 1000mg of test a week because dr's prescribe trt on a routine basis (ignoring the fact that they do so at 100mg a week)

I don't disagree with you. As I said, doses are different, but long term uses are in place without issues...at smaller doses. Ephedrine has been used in many other cases too - psychiatric therapy, etc. It is well tolerated and there are studies of people using these at high doses for years without many negative effects.

However, safety is a moving target, and I don't see any reason to risk it, as your logic points out - there is no reason to use this forever if you are just trying to lose fat. Get to your goal and take a break.

 

[jgntyce]

I don't disagree with you. As I said, doses are different, but long term uses are in place without issues...at smaller doses. Ephedrine has been used in many other cases too - psychiatric therapy, etc. It is well tolerated and there are studies of people using these at high doses for years without many negative effects. However, safety is a moving target, and I don't see any reason to risk it, as your logic points out - there is no reason to use this forever if you are just trying to lose fat. Get to your goal and take a break.

how much is considered a small dose?

 

[mr.cooper69]

Physicians prescribe albuterol for asthma at the mcg level. Fat loss requires up to 16 mgs to be effective.
That's like saying its OK to a long term blast of 1000mg of test a week because dr's prescribe trt on a routine basis (ignoring the fact that they do so at 100mg a week)

Um, except we're talking about ephedrine, which has a recommended daily dose of up to 6 tabs per day, and most ECA stack users use LESS than this (2-3 per day). Why make a completely unrelated analogy? We're talking about eca, not albuterol.

 

[Geoforce]

Coop what if any complications can come from high doses of guaifenesin?

 

[peter01]

Um, except we're talking about ephedrine, which has a recommended daily dose of up to 6 tabs per day, and most ECA stack users use LESS than this (2-3 per day). Why make a completely unrelated analogy? We're talking about eca, not albuterol.

Coop - I made the reference because asthma was brought into the topic.

 

[Synapsin]

OP, EC (not ephedrine with guaifenesin) is generally well tolerated according to research studies that spanned about 6 months. With guaifenesin, however, you add a variable not frequently studied. I wouldn't suggest using it indefinitely.

Coop what if any complications can come from high doses of guaifenesin?

Possibly kidney stones.

 

[Misfit28]

OP, EC (not ephedrine with guaifenesin) is generally well tolerated according to research studies that spanned about 6 months. With guaifenesin, however, you add a variable not frequently studied. I wouldn't suggest using it indefinitely.



Possibly kidney stones.

^^This. I would recommend making sure you drink as much water as possible as well.

 

[jgntyce]

^^This. I would recommend making sure you drink as much water as possible as well.

unfortunately ephedrine from Canada, which doesn't contain guanifesin, can't be shipped to the U.S. any other alternatives?

 

[Geoforce]

OP, EC (not ephedrine with guaifenesin) is generally well tolerated according to research studies that spanned about 6 months. With guaifenesin, however, you add a variable not frequently studied. I wouldn't suggest using it indefinitely.



Possibly kidney stones.

Yikes. This would be something more likely to manifest over long term use though? I mean short cycles odds should be low?

 

[Misfit28]

Yikes. This would be something more likely to manifest over long term use though? I mean short cycles odds should be low?

That's why I mentioned the hydration. More hydration should help to prevent the kidney stones, I would think.

I think it is really with "prolonged use", but I am not sure what defines that, LOL.

 

[peter01]

I have a cousin that had to have kidney stones removed for using mucinex (dosed per bottle directiins) over a period of several weeks during a bad cold. Granted I am sure she did not drink nearly enough water, but the risk is always there. Just depends if you are prone.

 

[heavylifter33]

In the US we can get Ephedrine that is guaifenesin free. Ephedrine is highly studied and found to be safe when used properly. I've found no reason, backed by studies, that one couldn't take EC for a year without a break.

 

[jgntyce]

In the US we can get Ephedrine that is guaifenesin free. Ephedrine is highly studied and found to be safe when used properly. I've found no reason, backed by studies, that one couldn't take EC for a year without a break.

care to share where we can get it in the US? thanks brother.

 

[peter01]

care to share where we can get it in the US? thanks brother.

Curious as well as its the guaifenesin that is my concern.

 

[heavylifter33]

iirc it's a canadian site that ships to US. Know plenty of guys with great success ordering. I don't remember the name off the top of my head. Maybe someone here will chime in.

 

[money0351]

iirc it's a canadian site that ships to US. Know plenty of guys with great success ordering. I don't remember the name off the top of my head. Maybe someone here will chime in.

is be interested in the site as well. Everywhere I've seen explicitly says "no international shipping"

 

[jgntyce]

I read that two doses of EC are very effective. I also read that others are taking EC three times a day. which is more beneficial? I'm also taking into account of the added guanifesin found in Primatene and Bronkaid.

 

[Afi140]

I read that two doses of EC are very effective. I also read that others are taking EC three times a day. which is more beneficial? I'm also taking into account of the added guanifesin found in Primatene and Bronkaid.

faster more pronounced effects at 3 but I have always done 2 personally. Great results and it's easier when I come off of it (still sucks though)

 

[jgntyce]

faster more pronounced effects at 3 but I have always done 2 personally. Great results and it's easier when I come off of it (still sucks though)

What times of day do you take your two doses of EC?

 

[Afi140]

What times of day do you take your two doses of EC?

upon waking 6am usually and preworkout 4ish. I would run it with lipomorph or aav2 and have a non stim burner and sometimes a GDA in the middle of the day before lunch.

 

[jgntyce]

upon waking 6am usually and preworkout 4ish. I would run it with lipomorph or aav2 and have a non stim burner and sometimes a GDA in the middle of the day before lunch.

gotcha. I'm taking PSYCHED PWO, which has synephrine. I take that prior to my cardio or lifting workout first thing in the morning. I then take my first EC dose about 3 hours after, and 4 hours after that. is this ok and effective? if not, I am open to ALL suggestions.

 

[ClarkKent]

I just started ECNorcodrene, killer appetite suppression and energy. I have used both plenty and finally decided to stack them together, in case anyone was wondering.

 

[Synapsin]

Yikes. This would be something more likely to manifest over long term use though? I mean short cycles odds should be low?

Yes, definitely more likely in the long term; that is why I do not suggest it long term.

I just started ECNorcodrene, killer appetite suppression and energy. I have used both plenty and finally decided to stack them together, in case anyone was wondering.

That's basically what I do.