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Safelty maintaing/ achieving High T levels

Tonyk

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Hello Group,
I am 38 with secondary hypo.
The most sucessful (not necesarily monetarily), creative men have been those with high T levels. That was me. Now finally Im getting that edge back with the help of my Dr.
My Dr. placed me on 5 gm androgel 1ml 50 mgs pregnonlone cream and suggested 25mgs DHEA 2x a day. I feel good now! I upped my DHEA to 100mgs DHEA a day becuse my DHEA was so so low before and I feel even better now.
I have read that attempts to increase your free T levels will make your body down regulate its own T production in a person with a normal hpta.
How about those of us on replacement?? I feel great when my T is high. I use a 70% DMSO solution over my androgel for better absorbtion, I can tell a difference.
In short I want to raise my T levels because; I feel good when my T is high. But I also dont want the extra T to be amorisized. The Great Dr.(loved by all on this forum) doesnt recommend saw palmetto, I think its because it can drive your estradiol into the ground?? Is this why?
My libido was that of a teen ager until the age of 36. I was a sucessful real estate invester, vendor and worked full time etc etc etc ( I attributed this to high T levels as I read in Napolean Hills book I think) My T crashed and never really came back after a very damaging long lasting drinking binge which landed me in rehab (another story). I have had high T levels prior to this period. I had classic hair receeding, acne on shoulders etc, until I fell hard and deep off the wagon (alcohol) and ended up on HRT. I have to believe that "normal" T levels vary from person to person but with in a range. I was accustomed to very high t levels. My Dr. does indeed have me feeling good again but not as in my prime.
Suggestions to raise T without steroids, I dont want steroids. I hope I make sense here. I am a gym rat too, and have been since age 25, so naturally I am accustomed to and feel myself with the higher T levels.
How about nettle or DIM, 6-oxo(expensive though) to increase T by lowering shbg? Am I on the right track?
I think sharper, sleep better, feel better QOL with higher T levels and I dont think everybodys T levels are ideal for every person. Example; my cousin only wants sex 2 maybe 3 times a month, hes younger than I but mentally sharper and definaltey cognatively superior than I. I on the other hand ideally want sex about every day used to be 2x a day. Again I hope I made sense here, This is not about libido as much as about safetly maintaing a high T level, the high T level that I had naturally until about the age of 36. I strongly beleive I need to be on the higher end of the T scale thats where I was accustomed to. Any feed back please?
Thanks :) Tony
 
Tonyk said:
I forgot, I also use 100 IU HCG sub Q every morning.
It's not about what you lab says but by how you feel if you don't feel good at the levels you at then up the Andorgel and get your Estradiol tested if over 40 get some DIM or go on Arimidex. I do shots 40 mgs every 3 days and 400 IU the 2 days in between and I keep my Estradiol down between 20 to 30 I can and do have sex everyday and I am 62 been on TRT for over 22 yrs. Just remember the more T you do the more Estradiol you will make.
Phil
 
Tonyk said:
...I use a 70% DMSO solution over my androgel for better absorbtion, I can tell a difference.
...

* The threefold increase percutaneous penetration of hydrocortisone
and testosterone in DMSO:
Maibach, H. I., and Feldmann, R. J. The effect on DMSO of
percutaneous penetration of hydrocortisone and testosterone in man.
Ann. N.Y. Acad. Sci. 141: 423-427 (1967).
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Tonyk said:
My Dr. placed me on 5 gm androgel 1ml

Do you mean 5 grams of Androgel?

Tonyk said:
50 mgs pregnonlone cream.

Why pregnenolone cream and not oral pregnenolone? Pregnenolone increases progesterone. Have you checked your progesterone levels after starting taking pregnenolone?

Tonyk said:
I forgot, I also use 100 IU HCG sub Q every morning.

Where do you inject the HCG?

What are your current T levels at?
 
I use the hcg in the stomach fat. Yes. I mean 5grams of androgel. I dont think my last t test was accurate because I was coming off of an alcohol binge to which I am happy to say have been sober since. I go to the Dr early November and will have all my blood tests done. my T was 682 free + week bound was 222 (40-250) Dhea was 193 146-850. Pregnenlone was 55. again I dont think the T results were accurate due to alcohol.
 
Tonyk said:
my T was 682 free + week bound was 222 (40-250) Dhea was 193 146-850.

Your free + week bound is at 88%, which is good. If you take more T, you may go over the top. A very high free T can cause polycythemia.
 
Thanks
Testost.,% free+wealky bound 32.6 % 9.0-46.0
Testost., F+W Bound 222.3 ng/dl 40.0-250.0

I dont know where you get 88% . Whats the differece in the tests? I dont understand.
Thanks
Tony
 
Dr. John said:
I'm not seeing that. However, what I do see are tremendous benefits in those who suffer an anxiety component.

As you all know, I am, and always have been, opposed to progesterone supplementation in adult males.

Dr. John,

Thats great news, because pregnenolone is really helpful.

Why did you use a pregnenolone cream instead of pills or capsules? Do you think that because it's a cream, it is not converting to progesterone, or is it for extended release?
 
Dr. John said:
As you all know, I am, and always have been, opposed to progesterone supplementation in adult males.

Dr. John can you please shed some light on why progesterone supplementation for adult males is not a good thing.

My Doc has me on Proges 6000, Test 1500 locally compounded, I use 4 drops 5 days a week. The results of my last saliva test were good. TIA
 
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