The mk can really screw up your insulin sensitivity, berberine is definitely something that's very useful with mk and your carb meals. If you don't use a gda like berberine then taking a day off from carbs once or twice a week can help maintain sensitivity while on mk as well. But I'd rather eat my carbs and take the gdaI ran that exact cycle last year and made some decent gains, I kept the mk going thru pct but I realized it worked the best 5 on 2 off. I've heard of people using berberine with it for it's insulin mimetic effects too. I starting feeling the supression pretty heavy by weeks 7-8 but it was bearable. Standard pct is usually clomid 50/50/25/25 or nolva 40/40/20/20 but you might be able to get away with half of that on a sarm only cycle
I'd definitely look into the berberine for sure, also I've heard alot of guys using Dernacrine or something similar to help fight suppression sides so that could be worth looking into as well. Get them gains son
If your insulin sensitivity goes to **** it makes it extremely hard to build muscle and loose fat. Your probably not going to see any other side effects from that unless it puts you into a diabetics ranges. Now I'm not saying that's going to happen. But it's certainly possible for some people. Are you asking Is berberine worth it? Worth what Exactly? it's a excellent supplement with many positive benefits from blood sugar to energy levels, cardiovascular health aka your heart, stronger immune system, improved body composition and quite a few more things I can't think off off the top of my head. It's not a necessity but it's damn good at a lot of stuff
Just want to make sure you understand berberine is a glucose disposal agent, it works very similar to how metformin works.
I'd probably take 500mg with all 4 of your carb meals .
I gained 10 pounds and kept about 8 after pct, my bench went up like 40lbs in the first month and the pumps were crazy. That combo is a good way to get your feet wet with PED's but if your going to get into actual AAS then that's a different ballgame. Make sure you know what your doing because you can seriously mess yourself up.
Check out amino asylum, they got everything you need pct at a decent price and delivery takes about a week or less.
I haven't ran aas since 09,so it's been a solid11 yrs. But I was just giving this a try to see the hype. I've run 500 sust/400 deca/dbol 50 ed--12wk 750sust400primo 50eod winny 12 wks that was the best one,100 prop eod deca400,12 wk,.. var by itself.winny by itself before.yeah the mk and lgd is weak compared,but I just wanted to be safe w this
In all honesty, we know a lot more about the long term safety of real gear then we do about mk and sarms. Plenty of guys been on gear for 30+ years with no problems. I know a lot of guys in there 60s and 70sbthat been doing this since they were around 20 years old with no health issues. No1 knows what sarms do 30-40 years down the road.
Got my lgd from them
I can just get one bottle of clomiphene from them then.and run 40/40/20/20, or would you throw nolvadex in too?
If it were me I'd probably be fine with just the clomid but do whatever your comfortable with. If your going to run it for more than 8 weeks then some nolva couldn't hurt but everyone seems to bounce back pretty well from sarms for the most part
I mean, 3 months worth of testosterone is cheaper then 3 months worth of fish oil, having a proper pct and a ai like hcg, clomid and exemestane or adex cost more then a whole cycle of test and dbol.
Yeah it's def true.i used to take b6,liquid multi mineral,liquid multi vitamin,l carnitine,alpha lipoic acid,digestive enzymes.i really started to think most of it is bullshit that's sold.but amino asylum has injectables now I was gonna get some b6 from them but yeah it's all a factor
Preach it brother!
adex, clomid and hcg is easily the price of a good cycle. One if the benefits of sarms only cycles is the ease of use and coming off, take this and that once a day for x weeks and this or that for pct for 4 weeks, done. AAS can be so much more of a hassle, BUT THEM GAINZZ THO!!
You can probably find some decent deals if you look around but it's more than worth it, by weeks 7-8 I had felt like my gains were stalling and in retrospect I'm pretty sure is was the insulin resistance/test suppression combo doing it. You might also be able to space out the berberine if you do 5 on 2 off with the mk and have a couple low to no carb days thrown in there? If your on a budget then that could stretch the mk and the berberine. Of course this is all bro science but it's information I wish I'd had when I did it.
Good to know man,networking is good stuff there's always something to learn or benefit from.today is day one of week 4.so the berberine should be in full effect by then.im starting to get a lil atrophy .but I guess my gains so far are pretty noticable like a few ppl already asked me what I'm taking
Believe it or not, when running Sarm only cycles it's usually a lack of estrogen that becomes the problem, not testosterone. Lgd does not convert to estrogen or dht, 2 things that are very important for sex drive, well being and muscle and strength. They actually give cattle estrogen with the tren because it helps preserve muscle mass even in the absence of food and water
I've heard of ppl taking it before I just didn't know exactly how and for
That probally explained the initial lack of endurance
I'm going to post my results
I've heard a few ppl doing sarms with exogenous estrogen pills.
Yeah crushing your estrogen sucks (learned the hard way with ai's). I've also heard of people taking very low doses of aromatizing compounds like dbol or 4-AD with sarms. The whole idea of a 'base' for sarm cycles is basically just to keep other hormones from crashing while you make your gains. low estrogen sides are worse than low test sides imho
Yep, some countries still use dbol as trt. It always threw me for a loop when ppl say you can't run dbol without test when it's main medical purpose is accomplished without test.
For sure bro, The golden era bodybuilders never used test and they came out great. I think most of the bro scientists hate oral only cycles mainly because A. The gains are far harder to keep and B. Injections are safer and more effective in the long run. I think sarms are a good middle ground to get some gains without completely crushing your HPTA, granted you'll be suppressed but as a rule usually not nearly as bad or as long as with AAS
In general yes but Don't always be too sure, I've seen a few ppl on here post bloods where osta and lgd both crushed there testosterone down to single digits
Very true, some people do seem to get hit pretty heavily by sarms. From my experience coming off sarms wasn't horrible but I have heard plenty of horror stories (I think that's partly why the FDA is finally cracking down on sarm sellers). I did clomid 50/50/25/25 and ran mk677 and cialis in pct and was still making gains but that's not the case for everyone. It's usually alot quicker of a recovery process than with AAS but everyone's different
Ya everyone is different. I know a few guy that have never ran a pct after any cycle and some of those cycles involved tren and anadrol. They still bounce back. Other guys can run a little 6 week sarm cycle and get crushed.
No this is all good information
It's all good brother, SARMs don't quite give the same fullness and mass because they don't give you much in the way of glycogen, nitrogen retention and bloat but the flip side to that is your able to keep a higher percentage of your gains because for the most part it's all real contractile tissue. Mk and lgd have been know to put some water on you but nothing compared to test. At least your making good gains tho, 10lbs in a month is fantastic
Yes sir this has been real slow and steady gains so far.so I'm pretty confident about all the above.i listed my diet in one of the comments above,I belive That's making the difference,I appreciate the fantastic comment.And yeah it's probably just the skin tightness subconsciously I'm missing mentally.ive noticed a difference in strength That I consider slight compared to test,however my reps are slower on negatives and higher in repetition from 12/10/10/8 on sets to 12/12/12/10 or 15/15/12/12 depending on what muscle I'm training.Wich should produce more tissue growth that's permanent.It's all good brother, SARMs don't quite give the same fullness and mass because they don't give you much in the way of glycogen, nitrogen retention and bloat but the flip side to that is your able to keep a higher percentage of your gains because for the most part it's all real contractile tissue. Mk and lgd have been know to put some water on you but nothing compared to test. At least your making good gains tho, 10lbs in a month is fantastic
