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Thinking of just clomid pct for 20/20/10/10.im 3 weeks in right now I'm thinking of staying on the mk for another 3 months after.was told a long time ago about gh I should use for a min of 6 mo but at least a year if I really want results.any insight out there?.I've got like real mild suppression from the lgd compared to aas.slight atrophy.
 
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Mk doesn't work anything like gh, the benefits start immediately, there just not very pronounced. If you don't notice much after the first couple weeks then I doubt you ever will.

With actual gh, when using it without steroids It isint very good at building muscle so it may take a very long time to see results, with steroids and even better with a little slin it's cosmetic effects show very fast, but it's cosmetic. Actual tissue growth takes time and that's a big part of why ppl say it needs long runs. And being on a little gh kinda makes everything you use work better so that's another reason to stay on it.


Back to mk, a long while back I had igf and everything checked while using mk, it doesn't matter if you take 12.5 mg or 25mg, 7 days a week or 5 days on 2 days off. After a while they will all produce similar igf levels. So if your gonna run it long term then do 5 on 2 off or 12.5 a day and save yourself some money
 
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Oh yeah it works bro.i was really lethargic first few days, taking huperzine,helps and coffee.im kinda shocked.this **** works how it does.yeah I was looking at lab results the off levels are high.so I'm gonna keep it simple and do 12.5 after like 3-4 months. And yeah I'll do more clomid.40/40/20/20.ive ran 3 test bas d cycles over the last 15 yrs never had any problems with 40/40/20/20 and hcg.thanks for the insight
 
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I ran that exact cycle last year and made some decent gains, I kept the mk going thru pct but I realized it worked the best 5 on 2 off. I've heard of people using berberine with it for it's insulin mimetic effects too. I starting feeling the supression pretty heavy by weeks 7-8 but it was bearable. Standard pct is usually clomid 50/50/25/25 or nolva 40/40/20/20 but you might be able to get away with half of that on a sarm only cycle 🤷‍♂️
 
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I ran that exact cycle last year and made some decent gains, I kept the mk going thru pct but I realized it worked the best 5 on 2 off. I've heard of people using berberine with it for it's insulin mimetic effects too. I starting feeling the supression pretty heavy by weeks 7-8 but it was bearable. Standard pct is usually clomid 50/50/25/25 or nolva 40/40/20/20 but you might be able to get away with half of that on a sarm only cycle 🤷‍♂️
The mk can really screw up your insulin sensitivity, berberine is definitely something that's very useful with mk and your carb meals. If you don't use a gda like berberine then taking a day off from carbs once or twice a week can help maintain sensitivity while on mk as well. But I'd rather eat my carbs and take the gda
 
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Yeah right on about the pct,I'm trying to get some enclomiphene,but I can only find it overseas.damn I I didnt know that about the mk.ive been taking huperzine w it.i have to do my research about the berberine.ive never heard of it untill now.is it really worth it?oh and there's someone from my gym that's been running 12.5mg of mk ed for two years now.w like month or two off the whole time.he said the only side he's got so far is dryness on his fingers.like right where your skin tone starts on your fingers it's like peeling a lil bit and dry,but I'm def.considering it for at least 3 more months after my cycle. My skin is a lil greasy now from the lgd I think I noticed like a week and a half in.qnd slightly suppressed .about to start week 4. But I feel good,just slight loss of endurance on my drop sets probally just burning myself out before that.
 
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Yeah right on about the pct,I'm trying to get some enclomiphene,but I can only find it overseas.damn I I didnt know that about the mk.ive been taking huperzine w it.i have to do my research about the berberine.ive never heard of it untill now.is it really worth it?oh and there's someone from my gym that's been running 12.5mg of mk ed for two years now.w like month or two off the whole time.he said the only side he's got so far is dryness on his fingers.like right where your skin tone starts on your fingers it's like peeling a lil bit and dry,but I'm def.considering it for at least 3 more months after my cycle. My skin is a lil greasy now from the lgd I think I noticed like a week and a half in.qnd slightly suppressed .about to start week 4. But I feel good,just slight loss of endurance on my drop sets probally just burning myself out before that.
I'd definitely look into the berberine for sure, also I've heard alot of guys using Dernacrine or something similar to help fight suppression sides so that could be worth looking into as well. Get them gains son 💪
 
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Yeah right on about the pct,I'm trying to get some enclomiphene,but I can only find it overseas.damn I I didnt know that about the mk.ive been taking huperzine w it.i have to do my research about the berberine.ive never heard of it untill now.is it really worth it?oh and there's someone from my gym that's been running 12.5mg of mk ed for two years now.w like month or two off the whole time.he said the only side he's got so far is dryness on his fingers.like right where your skin tone starts on your fingers it's like peeling a lil bit and dry,but I'm def.considering it for at least 3 more months after my cycle. My skin is a lil greasy now from the lgd I think I noticed like a week and a half in.qnd slightly suppressed .about to start week 4. But I feel good,just slight loss of endurance on my drop sets probally just burning myself out before that.
If your insulin sensitivity goes to **** it makes it extremely hard to build muscle and loose fat. Your probably not going to see any other side effects from that unless it puts you into a diabetics ranges. Now I'm not saying that's going to happen. But it's certainly possible for some people. Are you asking Is berberine worth it? Worth what Exactly? it's a excellent supplement with many positive benefits from blood sugar to energy levels, cardiovascular health aka your heart, stronger immune system, improved body composition and quite a few more things I can't think off off the top of my head. It's not a necessity but it's damn good at a lot of stuff
 
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Yeah I'll give it a shot.i didn't know it. Was otc supplement.like a dose of 1000mg is good I'll get some tom.so what did you gain off lgd and mk? Lbs inches strength.i feel like I should be on test also.this Is my first cycle w no test inj. Or any aas. I hope I keep my gains.how much did u keep?
 
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Yeah I'll give it a shot.i didn't know it. Was otc supplement.like a dose of 1000mg is good I'll get some tom.so what did you gain off lgd and mk? Lbs inches strength.i feel like I should be on test also.this Is my first cycle w no test inj. Or any aas. I hope I keep my gains.how much did u keep?
Just want to make sure you understand berberine is a glucose disposal agent, it works very similar to how metformin works.

You want to take it with carbs in your meal and the dosage is kinda determined by how much carbs you eat.

Say your eating 3 meals a day with about 50gm carbs per meal you would take 500mg berberine with each meal.

If you mostly just eat carbs around your workouts then you might take in like 100gm of carbs with your pre workout meal and 1000mg berberine. This is going to shuttle carbs into your muscles for a better workout

You don't want to just randomly take it.

Really depends on your diet .

If your on a low carb diet I wouldn't bother with it
 
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Nah bro I'm on a bunch of carbs.and yeah I carb up before I workout w sweet potatoes,but I eat carbs w every meal except post workout. Without the meal after that .then I go to bed.i eat 6. Full meals aday.so I eat 4 meals w carbs .1-1 cup oats ,2- 8 egg whites 2 potatoes,3 -8oz beef 2 potatoes,4 -2fillets sole/talapia 1 sweet potatoe,then I train,5- half 5-6lb chicken rotisserie,6-8egg whites and some veggies,then like a few scoops peanut butter when I get hungry again like 10-11 at night.so when n how much should I take? Probally better w meals.? Or pre workout?they say like 1,500 mgs away is a larger dose.what should I do?
 
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Nah bro I'm on a bunch of carbs.and yeah I carb up before I workout w sweet potatoes,but I eat carbs w every meal except post workout. Without the meal after that .then I go to bed.i eat 6. Full meals aday.so I eat 4 meals w carbs .1-1 cup oats ,2- 8 egg whites 2 potatoes,3 -8oz beef 2 potatoes,4 -2fillets sole/talapia 1 sweet potatoe,then I train,5- half 5-6lb chicken rotisserie,6-8egg whites and some veggies,then like a few scoops peanut butter when I get hungry again like 10-11 at night.so when n how much should I take? Probally better w meals.? Or pre workout?they say like 1,500 mgs away is a larger dose.what should I do?
I'd probably take 500mg with all 4 of your carb meals .

There's no exact right way to do it, but the way above is probably the most sensible way.

If it's a pain in the asz taking pills that many times a day then maybe 1000mg pre workout and your last meal with carbs
 
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Yeah I'll do the 500 every carb meal. I don't know anything about metformin never looked into it before.so the berberine mimics it pretty good.so the idea is to lower blood glucose for exact effect of? Because of the mk so I can recover faster and or transport the igf to muscle and carbs? Please educate me a lil better I really appreciate all the help man
 
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Mk raises igf1 and gh levels

But it also messes with your blood glucose levels as well. Over a short period of time it can ruin your insulin sensitivity. Having good insulin sensitivity is one of the most important things when it comes to building muscle and loosing fat. Without good insulin sensitivity the food you eat gets stored as fat instead of being used properly for fuel and to build muscle .

That's probably the best way I can describe it without trying to sound smart and using all the medical mumbojumbo.

If your insulin sensitivity is trash on a steroid cycle you pretty much just get fatter and stronger instead of improving the way you look.
 
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Very good stuff man.im going to get that today.ill keep you posted w before and after.im def trying real hard to get the most out of this.so after 3 mo I'm gonna stay on the mk for 5 on 2 off.so far I got good results.im gonna try to get enclo, but I had a problem with my order w card cus it's overseas.so if I have to I'll just get clomiphene from within the us.and run 50/50/25/25
 
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Yeah I'll give it a shot.i didn't know it. Was otc supplement.like a dose of 1000mg is good I'll get some tom.so what did you gain off lgd and mk? Lbs inches strength.i feel like I should be on test also.this Is my first cycle w no test inj. Or any aas. I hope I keep my gains.how much did u keep?
I gained 10 pounds and kept about 8 after pct, my bench went up like 40lbs in the first month and the pumps were crazy. That combo is a good way to get your feet wet with PED's but if your going to get into actual AAS then that's a different ballgame. Make sure you know what your doing because you can seriously mess yourself up.
 
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Very good stuff man.im going to get that today.ill keep you posted w before and after.im def trying real hard to get the most out of this.so after 3 mo I'm gonna stay on the mk for 5 on 2 off.so far I got good results.im gonna try to get enclo, but I had a problem with my order w card cus it's overseas.so if I have to I'll just get clomiphene from within the us.and run 50/50/25/25
Check out amino asylum, they got everything you need pct at a decent price and delivery takes about a week or less.

Multiple options to pay as well. If you wanna use a cc then select cash app as the payment and at the next screen it gives you cc options.
 
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I gained 10 pounds and kept about 8 after pct, my bench went up like 40lbs in the first month and the pumps were crazy. That combo is a good way to get your feet wet with PED's but if your going to get into actual AAS then that's a different ballgame. Make sure you know what your doing because you can seriously mess yourself up.
I haven't ran aas since 09,so it's been a solid11 yrs. But I was just giving this a try to see the hype. I've run 500 sust/400 deca/dbol 50 ed--12wk 750sust400primo 50eod winny 12 wks that was the best one,100 prop eod deca400,12 wk,.. var by itself.winny by itself before.yeah the mk and lgd is weak compared,but I just wanted to be safe w this
 
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I haven't ran aas since 09,so it's been a solid11 yrs. But I was just giving this a try to see the hype. I've run 500 sust/400 deca/dbol 50 ed--12wk 750sust400primo 50eod winny 12 wks that was the best one,100 prop eod deca400,12 wk,.. var by itself.winny by itself before.yeah the mk and lgd is weak compared,but I just wanted to be safe w this
In all honesty, we know a lot more about the long term safety of real gear then we do about mk and sarms. Plenty of guys been on gear for 30+ years with no problems. I know a lot of guys in there 60s and 70sbthat been doing this since they were around 20 years old with no health issues. No1 knows what sarms do 30-40 years down the road.

I still throw them in on my trt tho so. ..... 🤷
 
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Check out amino asylum, they got everything you need pct at a decent price and delivery takes about a week or less.

Multiple options to pay as well. If you wanna use a cc then select cash app as the payment and at the next screen it gives you cc options.
Got my lgd from them
 
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I can just get one bottle of clomiphene from them then.and run 40/40/20/20, or would you throw nolvadex in too?
If it were me I'd probably be fine with just the clomid but do whatever your comfortable with. If your going to run it for more than 8 weeks then some nolva couldn't hurt but everyone seems to bounce back pretty well from sarms for the most part
 
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I mean it's personal preference, I would assume one would be enough, I'm the type of person who says have everything on hand just in case. Even if you don't need it, it's good to know it's there just in case.
 
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Yeah.dude I just bought that berBerine. To run 500mg 4 times a day cost more per day than mk cost me.i gotta find it for a better price somewhere.2 capsules 500mg,60 count bottle $14.21 I hope it's worth it.
 
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Yeah.dude I just bought that berBerine. To run 500mg 4 times a day cost more per day than mk cost me.i gotta find it for a better price somewhere.2 capsules 500mg,60 count bottle $14.21 I hope it's worth it.
I mean, 3 months worth of testosterone is cheaper then 3 months worth of fish oil, having a proper pct and a ai like hcg, clomid and exemestane or adex cost more then a whole cycle of test and dbol.
It's pretty common for your actual gear to be the cheapest part of a entire cycle and regular daily supplements
 
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I mean, 3 months worth of testosterone is cheaper then 3 months worth of fish oil, having a proper pct and a ai like hcg, clomid and exemestane or adex cost more then a whole cycle of test and dbol.
It's pretty common for your actual gear to be the cheapest part of a entire cycle and regular daily supplements
Yeah it's def true.i used to take b6,liquid multi mineral,liquid multi vitamin,l carnitine,alpha lipoic acid,digestive enzymes.i really started to think most of it is bullshit that's sold.but amino asylum has injectables now I was gonna get some b6 from them but yeah it's all a factor
 
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I mean, 3 months worth of testosterone is cheaper then 3 months worth of fish oil, having a proper pct and a ai like hcg, clomid and exemestane or adex cost more then a whole cycle of test and dbol.
It's pretty common for your actual gear to be the cheapest part of a entire cycle and regular daily supplements
Preach it brother! 😄 adex, clomid and hcg is easily the price of a good cycle. One if the benefits of sarms only cycles is the ease of use and coming off, take this and that once a day for x weeks and this or that for pct for 4 weeks, done. AAS can be so much more of a hassle, BUT THEM GAINZZ THO!! 💪
 
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Yeah.dude I just bought that berBerine. To run 500mg 4 times a day cost more per day than mk cost me.i gotta find it for a better price somewhere.2 capsules 500mg,60 count bottle $14.21 I hope it's worth it.
You can probably find some decent deals if you look around but it's more than worth it, by weeks 7-8 I had felt like my gains were stalling and in retrospect I'm pretty sure is was the insulin resistance/test suppression combo doing it. You might also be able to space out the berberine if you do 5 on 2 off with the mk and have a couple low to no carb days thrown in there? If your on a budget then that could stretch the mk and the berberine. Of course this is all bro science but it's information I wish I'd had when I did it.
 
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You can probably find some decent deals if you look around but it's more than worth it, by weeks 7-8 I had felt like my gains were stalling and in retrospect I'm pretty sure is was the insulin resistance/test suppression combo doing it. You might also be able to space out the berberine if you do 5 on 2 off with the mk and have a couple low to no carb days thrown in there? If your on a budget then that could stretch the mk and the berberine. Of course this is all bro science but it's information I wish I'd had when I did it.
Good to know man,networking is good stuff there's always something to learn or benefit from.today is day one of week 4.so the berberine should be in full effect by then.im starting to get a lil atrophy .but I guess my gains so far are pretty noticable like a few ppl already asked me what I'm taking
I've got my diet dialed in pretty good.supplements are there too now.my reps went up from 10-12to 12-15 now.and nice and slow fuller concentration.im pretty stoked for my before and after pics.
 
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I've been looking at running a similar stack, but for 8 weeks. Hope your run goes well.
 
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You can probably find some decent deals if you look around but it's more than worth it, by weeks 7-8 I had felt like my gains were stalling and in retrospect I'm pretty sure is was the insulin resistance/test suppression combo doing it. You might also be able to space out the berberine if you do 5 on 2 off with the mk and have a couple low to no carb days thrown in there? If your on a budget then that could stretch the mk and the berberine. Of course this is all bro science but it's information I wish I'd had when I did it.
Believe it or not, when running Sarm only cycles it's usually a lack of estrogen that becomes the problem, not testosterone. Lgd does not convert to estrogen or dht, 2 things that are very important for sex drive, well being and muscle and strength. They actually give cattle estrogen with the tren because it helps preserve muscle mass even in the absence of food and water
 
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I'm not saying jack up your estrogen, I'm just saying that estrogen is very important to the muscle building process, and to your overall health and energy levels
 
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I'm not saying jack up your estrogen, I'm just saying that estrogen is very important to the muscle building process, and to your overall health and energy levels
I've heard of ppl taking it before I just didn't know exactly how and for
 
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Believe it or not, when running Sarm only cycles it's usually a lack of estrogen that becomes the problem, not testosterone. Lgd does not convert to estrogen or dht, 2 things that are very important for sex drive, well being and muscle and strength. They actually give cattle estrogen with the tren because it helps preserve muscle mass even in the absence of food and water
That probally explained the initial lack of endurance
 
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I've heard of ppl taking it before I just didn't know exactly how and for
I've heard a few ppl doing sarms with exogenous estrogen pills.

Also some dht based steroid cyles with no testosterone and using estrogen pills.

I have no clue how or what doses or anything, i personally wouldn't try it. Too afraid I'd fluck something up
 
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I've heard a few ppl doing sarms with exogenous estrogen pills.

Also some dht based steroid cyles with no testosterone and using estrogen pills.

I have no clue how or what doses or anything, i personally wouldn't try it. Too afraid I'd fluck something up
Yeah crushing your estrogen sucks (learned the hard way with ai's). I've also heard of people taking very low doses of aromatizing compounds like dbol or 4-AD with sarms. The whole idea of a 'base' for sarm cycles is basically just to keep other hormones from crashing while you make your gains. low estrogen sides are worse than low test sides imho
 
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Yeah crushing your estrogen sucks (learned the hard way with ai's). I've also heard of people taking very low doses of aromatizing compounds like dbol or 4-AD with sarms. The whole idea of a 'base' for sarm cycles is basically just to keep other hormones from crashing while you make your gains. low estrogen sides are worse than low test sides imho
Yep, some countries still use dbol as trt. It always threw me for a loop when ppl say you can't run dbol without test when it's main medical purpose is accomplished without test.

Very low doses like 5-10mg a day along side a sarm would probably be very effective for someone refusing to pin.
 
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Yep, some countries still use dbol as trt. It always threw me for a loop when ppl say you can't run dbol without test when it's main medical purpose is accomplished without test.

Very low doses like 5-10mg a day along side a sarm would probably be very effective for someone refusing to pin.
For sure bro, The golden era bodybuilders never used test and they came out great. I think most of the bro scientists hate oral only cycles mainly because A. The gains are far harder to keep and B. Injections are safer and more effective in the long run. I think sarms are a good middle ground to get some gains without completely crushing your HPTA, granted you'll be suppressed but as a rule usually not nearly as bad or as long as with AAS
 
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For sure bro, The golden era bodybuilders never used test and they came out great. I think most of the bro scientists hate oral only cycles mainly because A. The gains are far harder to keep and B. Injections are safer and more effective in the long run. I think sarms are a good middle ground to get some gains without completely crushing your HPTA, granted you'll be suppressed but as a rule usually not nearly as bad or as long as with AAS
In general yes but Don't always be too sure, I've seen a few ppl on here post bloods where osta and lgd both crushed there testosterone down to single digits
 
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In general yes but Don't always be too sure, I've seen a few ppl on here post bloods where osta and lgd both crushed there testosterone down to single digits
Very true, some people do seem to get hit pretty heavily by sarms. From my experience coming off sarms wasn't horrible but I have heard plenty of horror stories (I think that's partly why the FDA is finally cracking down on sarm sellers). I did clomid 50/50/25/25 and ran mk677 and cialis in pct and was still making gains but that's not the case for everyone. It's usually alot quicker of a recovery process than with AAS but everyone's different
 
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Very true, some people do seem to get hit pretty heavily by sarms. From my experience coming off sarms wasn't horrible but I have heard plenty of horror stories (I think that's partly why the FDA is finally cracking down on sarm sellers). I did clomid 50/50/25/25 and ran mk677 and cialis in pct and was still making gains but that's not the case for everyone. It's usually alot quicker of a recovery process than with AAS but everyone's different
Ya everyone is different. I know a few guy that have never ran a pct after any cycle and some of those cycles involved tren and anadrol. They still bounce back. Other guys can run a little 6 week sarm cycle and get crushed.

Glad I don't gotta worry bout that. Been on trt for almost 2 years now. I've been tempted to pct at some point just to see what happens lol
 
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i just trained legs today.and thought I'm 4 weeks in and 2 days let me weigh myself and I've gained 11 pounds so far.in my mind I feel like I still don't look as good as I did w aas 14 pounds lighter I'm positive I was leaner and had more mass.maybe I'm just getting old
 
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i just trained legs today.and thought I'm 4 weeks in and 2 days let me weigh myself and I've gained 11 pounds so far.in my mind I feel like I still don't look as good as I did w aas 14 pounds lighter I'm positive I was leaner and had more mass.maybe I'm just getting old
It's all good brother, SARMs don't quite give the same fullness and mass because they don't give you much in the way of glycogen, nitrogen retention and bloat but the flip side to that is your able to keep a higher percentage of your gains because for the most part it's all real contractile tissue. Mk and lgd have been know to put some water on you but nothing compared to test. At least your making good gains tho, 10lbs in a month is fantastic 👍
 
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It's all good brother, SARMs don't quite give the same fullness and mass because they don't give you much in the way of glycogen, nitrogen retention and bloat but the flip side to that is your able to keep a higher percentage of your gains because for the most part it's all real contractile tissue. Mk and lgd have been know to put some water on you but nothing compared to test. At least your making good gains tho, 10lbs in a month is fantastic 👍
Yes sir this has been real slow and steady gains so far.so I'm pretty confident about all the above.i listed my diet in one of the comments above,I belive That's making the difference,I appreciate the fantastic comment.And yeah it's probably just the skin tightness subconsciously I'm missing mentally.ive noticed a difference in strength That I consider slight compared to test,however my reps are slower on negatives and higher in repetition from 12/10/10/8 on sets to 12/12/12/10 or 15/15/12/12 depending on what muscle I'm training.Wich should produce more tissue growth that's permanent.
 

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