My buddy ran your identical cycle but with Lgi products, he saw huge strength gains, you should have had noticeable strength gains. Hdrol always increases my lifts, as should the tren. Very odd to say the least.
I'm not sure what to say as I have ran EPI one time before in a bottle called "Havok" and it was perfect. I think there is something up with the quality control of these products, hense why there were so many busted pills and what not.
Strange....my buddy blew up on epi and lost some body fat too.
Haven't heard any negative feedback before.
People can react differently on compounds.
About the broken pills. You should have contacted the retailer. Most of the time they will send you a new one.
Something went wrong on their end.
I just lowered the dose a bit on the days that I knew that I didn't have the full amount of pills. I contacted the retailer after and he said that the Olympus rep that advised me to be on a calorie deficit during the cycle is the reason why for not increasing strength or having the compounds work. He pretty much said that he just sells the products and is not responsible for the lack of results I had. I'm really skeptical about Olympus Labs quality control now as I stated previously, I have ran EPI called Havok and had great results and it was way cheaper than what I paid for all of this.
I've used Epi twice in the past with little to no impressive results, granted, I later found out that the brand (IBE) had issues with their quality at that point in time.
Even then, 2 lbs of muscle and a noticeable strength increase (roughly 20lbs in every big lift) was noticeable. To have run both of those and put on that kinda weight with no strength increase is really inconsistent with common experiences.
I had luck in the past with EPI (Havok) so I just think Olympus Labs is to blame for the Chinese manufacturing. There was obviously something up with the bottles I got. Maybe sitting in my mailbox all day during a hot day caused issues... I have no idea.
I agree, it is inconsistent with common experiences.
Like I said, haven't heard a single negative review on both our Ep15tane and tr3n.
Op, you added 15lbs....that's decent. Losing 11 lbs so fast is strange.
Sure your serm is ok? Are you still getting enough food in?
I used the same SERM novaldex from the same reputable drug company last time. If I lost 11lbs of the 15 in one day, that isn't worth over $350 I paid. I feel ripped off. There is something up with your company's product quality control in my own opinion.
Both compounds are dry, 11 lbs in 2 days is more than just a bad serm, something else is going wrong. I couldn't lose weight that fast trying to unless I was carb depleting and cutting water & adding in diuretics.
Epi does have non-responders but at your Tr3n dose you should still have noticeable gains, including strength. Where did you order your supplements?
Also, even with their half lives, they would still be relatively active for the majority of the first two days so I can't even blame the SERM. I'm kind of baffled tbh.
I ordered my supplements from Nutriplanet. My SERM is fine as I have ordered it in the past and it maintained my gains. I just think I got bad bottles from the quality control of the company.
The scale doesn't lie. I was 11lbs lighter. I don't take diuretics and my diet was the same while on cycle.
Did you stop taking Creatine HCL at the end of your cycle? Your a big dude so that could be a big portion of the 11lbs of weight. I lose about 5-6 when I come off Creatine.
Nope, I am still on Creatine HCL and haven't stopped taking it. I usually take it for several months and then cycle off for a month. I would have mentioned it if I stopped taking creatine. I have been into bodybuilding for over 12 years so I know about water retention with creatine and sodium intake as well.
I still think your products have some quality control issues and it is a shame that I spent this kind of money and didn't even get a strength gain from the products. Again, I think they just shipped me some sugar pills. Maybe the epi was sugar pills and the tren was legit.. who knows. I"m very skeptical now.
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