Rookie error, roids 101

skindog101

skindog101

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I'm an idiot and I'm about to get served here but I deserve every bit of it ha ha

Read a heap pre my first cycle Internet, talking to mates etc,

Ran the deca only cycle felt pretty tired all the way through it 300mg/wk for 10 wks gained 10kgs!holding a fair bit if water tho didn't think much of it finished up then I throught gee gained 10kgs y not go again asked around my mates yeah bud keep going, so got more upped it to 450mg/wk that was 6 wks ago iv gained 2kgs in 6wks even tho I'm eating like a horse training hard etc but feeling rubbish and ALWAYS SO tired!falling asleep at work!!!!!!!!

So went on line and read up! This is what I found!!!
, running even 100mg of deca/wk will surpress 100% of ur natural test levels, since I'm running a deca ONLY cycle with no added test iv been running 16wks with NO test at all in my body! What an idiot!

next course ill always use test as a base!!!rookie error hey!ha i end next wk neway and start PCT!
 
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*facepalm*

any exogenous hormone will eventually shut you down, dose/duration comes into play of course and varies from compound to compound... but... yeah.
 
any steroid ,given enough time ,will have your test at zero or near it.

its not specific to deca or tren, or whatever.

take a bloodtest on week 4 of superdrol and ill bet your total test is about 50
 
people mainly run test with deca to mitigate a complete loss of libido that's common with deca.

have you experienced any sides like that?
 
Sides not really just usual stuff oily skin, a fair amount of pimples, water retention (but that's deca for ya) ummm that's prob it strenght is still sky high tho, but yeah gains rapidly stopped after my second course weather it was I was use to the deca or the lack of test?

my sex drive has been pretty normal that's y i didn't think it was a test related problem?
 
ManBeast said:
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*facepalm*

any exogenous hormone will eventually shut you down, dose/duration comes into play of course and varies from compound to compound... but... yeah.
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So true buddy, a couple of more hours on the computer could have saved me from months of struggle and a shot load of water retention, iv put on like 13kg but I reckon I'll be real lucky to hold 8kg ha ha I read excess estrogen is the cause of water retention is this true?
 
jbryand101b said:
whoa ho ho ho, huh, man that pct is gonna be a bittch.

your lack of sides also makes me wonder about your deca.
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What do u mean lack of side?I'm puffed up like a toad fish with 3 chins : ) ?ha pimples and oily skin?what else should I have got?ha yeah i think that about the PCT to a hard 6 wks ahead haha ha what do u mean wonder about the deca bro?
 
those are typical side effects of any and all androgens. all this means is you were using a androgenic/anabolic steroid.

i mean lack of sides associated with the specific compound, like deca dick for example.

the lethargy, bloat, and other androgenic sides make me think of something like 1-test or something.
 
jbryand101b said:
those are typical side effects of any and all androgens. all this means is you were using a androgenic/anabolic steroid.

i mean lack of sides associated with the specific compound, like deca dick for example.

the lethargy, bloat, and other androgenic sides make me think of something like 1-test or something.
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Lethargy is an androgenic side in most cases, but can happen when you're lacking testosterone itself.... bloat is an estrogenic side effect. I don't doubt that a lot of weight can be put on with deca's proggy action, so I'm not thinking theres a problem with the gear. However, I know this will be a really tough PCT. Deca stays active for SOOOOOOOOOO long in the body, it will be 4 or more weeks before he will restart any test production on his own.

To OP: You, more than anyone on this site, NEEEEEEEEED HCG. I rarely say that, even for injectibles, but in this case it's true. Clomid AND Nolva, HCG, and then throw in whatever else (DAA?) you can get. ZMA even. Broccoli. This isn't a tragedy, but you need to recognize that not much comes after 12 weeks unless you add a different compound. Get your hormone panel done every 4 weeks. After 3 mos if your test is not back to the normal range, or if you're not back to within 20% of your baseline (if you have one) free test within 6 months, go see an endocrinologist. They'll try to lecture and guilt trip you, but can also monitor your levels from there on out.
 
TestEinstein said:
Lethargy is an androgenic side in most cases, but can happen when you're lacking testosterone itself.... bloat is an estrogenic side effect. I don't doubt that a lot of weight can be put on with deca's proggy action, so I'm not thinking theres a problem with the gear. However, I know this will be a really tough PCT. Deca stays active for SOOOOOOOOOO long in the body, it will be 4 or more weeks before he will restart any test production on his own.

To OP: You, more than anyone on this site, NEEEEEEEEED HCG. I rarely say that, even for injectibles, but in this case it's true. Clomid AND Nolva, HCG, and then throw in whatever else (DAA?) you can get. ZMA even. Broccoli. This isn't a tragedy, but you need to recognize that not much comes after 12 weeks unless you add a different compound. Get your hormone panel done every 4 weeks. After 3 mos if your test is not back to the normal range, or if you're not back to within 20% of your baseline (if you have one) free test within 6 months, go see an endocrinologist. They'll try to lecture and guilt trip you, but can also monitor your levels from there on out.
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Mate in a perfect world that PCT would be awesome, although I can't get clomid or any of those others, been trying for months all those things can't just be overed over here if u know what I mean ha ha all I have it's novla, HCG and my mate got me onto this arimidex HD? I can't wait to go get lectured by my doctor about the effects and so on about the use of etc, itl most likely end in a argument and he won't help me anyway?what can I do on my own?
 
uniifirex said:
IF I HAD A DOLLAR FOR EVERY THREAD LIKE THIS
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You'd still be a dumba*s. no need for the flaming. Either help or gtfo.

OP: order some clomid online, you definitely need it. I'm also surprised you don't have deca dick.
 
Oh jeez your right zyzz i'd be a dumbass.

you said all you havei s "nolva/HCG"

you can't hop on clomd/nolva asap after a cycle of deca as zyzz stated,

you have HCG, run that ED 500iu's 1 week after your cycle for 10 days, whilst you should have been running it at 500iu EW in the first place, nolva i'd say....er 3-4 weeks after?

But no clue how you dont have deca dick, you may have lucked out and gotten something else.
 
uniifirex said:
Oh jeez your right zyzz i'd be a dumbass.

you said all you havei s "nolva/HCG"

you can't hop on clomd/nolva asap after a cycle of deca as zyzz stated,

you have HCG, run that ED 500iu's 1 week after your cycle for 10 days, whilst you should have been running it at 500iu EW in the first place, nolva i'd say....er 3-4 weeks after?

But no clue how you dont have deca dick, you may have lucked out and gotten something else.
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I agree on the hcg..however with a long ester aas such as deca you will want to start the nolva about 18 days after your last injection.
 
ReyMan said:
You'd still be a dumba*s. no need for the flaming. Either help or gtfo.

OP: order some clomid online, you definitely need it. I'm also surprised you don't have deca dick.
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Reymen ha i can't just order sum online we get locked up for even having any if this sh$t over here it's a joke....... As with the deca dick nah she all works fine missus isnt missing out ha might have lost 1/2 to 1 inch tho? Ha ha ha and exactly if u wana help that's awesome if u wana tell me what I'm doing wrong and have a go at me for it F$&KO&F!

All the other blokes checks for the help hey cheers : )
 
skindog101 said:
Reymen ha i can't just order sum online we get locked up for even having any if this sh$t over here it's a joke....... As with the deca dick nah she all works fine missus isnt missing out ha might have lost 1/2 to 1 inch tho? Ha ha ha and exactly if u wana help that's awesome if u wana tell me what I'm doing wrong and have a go at me for it F$&KO&F!

All the other blokes checks for the help hey cheers : )
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Over where?
Its a research chemical dude, you don't get locked up like you would with AAS.
also, majority said HCG, not clom.
 
Australia it's not over here all of them are proscription ONLY it's a chrim offense to have any of it. yeah iv got HCG and nolva cant get clom, all good I'll c how I go if I feel like **** in 6 wks I'll go get my levels checked
 
skindog101 said:
Australia it's not over here all of them are proscription ONLY it's a chrim offense to have any of it. yeah iv got HCG and nolva cant get clom, all good I'll c how I go if I feel like **** in 6 wks I'll go get my levels checked
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alright, as said, run your hcg now @ 500IU every week, then 1 day after your cycle, 500iu ED, and 18 days later as ISU stated, start nolva at 40/40/20/20.
 
uniifirex said:
alright, as said, run your hcg now @ 500IU every week, then 1 day after your cycle, 500iu ED, and 18 days later as ISU stated, start nolva at 40/40/20/20.
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Cheers bro thanks for that help,
 
we shrutes have superior mind control. with concentration, i can raise and lower my cholesterol at will
 
TestEinstein said:
Lethargy is an androgenic side in most cases, but can happen when you're lacking testosterone itself.... bloat is an estrogenic side effect. I don't doubt that a lot of weight can be put on with deca's proggy action, so I'm not thinking theres a problem with the gear. However, I know this will be a really tough PCT. Deca stays active for SOOOOOOOOOO long in the body, it will be 4 or more weeks before he will restart any test production on his own.

To OP: You, more than anyone on this site, NEEEEEEEEED HCG. I rarely say that, even for injectibles, but in this case it's true. Clomid AND Nolva, HCG, and then throw in whatever else (DAA?) you can get. ZMA even. Broccoli. This isn't a tragedy, but you need to recognize that not much comes after 12 weeks unless you add a different compound. Get your hormone panel done every 4 weeks. After 3 mos if your test is not back to the normal range, or if you're not back to within 20% of your baseline (if you have one) free test within 6 months, go see an endocrinologist. They'll try to lecture and guilt trip you, but can also monitor your levels from there on out.
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lethargy is most likely caused from an negative effect on thyroid function, brought on by powerful androgens, so messing up your hormonal balance with anything, including testosterone (as well as lack of test & estrogen) could cause lethargy.

and bloat isn't just an estrogenic side effect. there are numerous non aromatizable steroids that cause bloat.

if he has legit deca, and didn't experience any of the typical sides associated with it, he is luck, but pct as previously noted, will be a biitch.

but if his deca contains something else (or underdosed), as is more common than not with black market steroids, then pct may be easier than we think.

either way, he seemed to have good gains, with little sides, so it turned out good.
 
Cheers again for the help bro, yeah I'll see how I go with all that has been written, I'll be stuffed where im getting my libeito from, gave the misses two last night n still had more in the tank ha ha it's crazy with apparently no test in my body as wev disgust and still having a more then normal sex drive. Maybe it's a lessa doses as u said?but yeah good gains all round!strength and size wise, So kinda leaves me wondering?but I'm holding a fair amount of water aswell wev disgust.

But he my last shot tonight so see how I go the next 2 months : ) yeeewwwwwww ha

It's a lesson iv learnt as hopefully nothing bad comes from it in the PCT, deff running test as a base next time no matter what.
 
luck i guess, I had an (idiot) friend in college who ran a deca/dbol cycle and had no libido issues, got bloated as a f*ckin waterballoon though :D
 
at least he used clomid for his pct... after i *gave* it to him LMAO!
 
uniifirex said:
Well he should be set then and keep all his bloat

edit-gains****
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Yes I know I was a lucky not to get Deca d+ck but yeah a should have read more before starting a Deca only course stupid really but what's done is done and next course I'll be up with it all, but Deca n dbol with no test ha ha that's a resiept for problems ha ha
 
Well I don't care how much things change, deca+dbol will make for solid mass and strength gains, and has for decades. if you can handle libido issues and keep the cycle under 12 weeks there's no real reason it you can't keep 60-70% 3 months after PCT, so long as you keep the workouts solid during that time. Again though, hcg is going to help out a lot.

The reason deca seems to have fallen by the wayside now probably has to do with a lot of guys doing gear at higher BF%s than years ago. There's a direct correlation btwn gyno susceptibility and BF, and a prog-based aromatizable steroid just exacerbates the situation.
 
jbryand101b said:
lethargy is most likely caused from an negative effect on thyroid function, brought on by powerful androgens, so messing up your hormonal balance with anything, including testosterone (as well as lack of test & estrogen) could cause lethargy.

and bloat isn't just an estrogenic side effect. there are numerous non aromatizable steroids that cause bloat.

if he has legit deca, and didn't experience any of the typical sides associated with it, he is luck, but pct as previously noted, will be a biitch.

but if his deca contains something else (or underdosed), as is more common than not with black market steroids, then pct may be easier than we think.

either way, he seemed to have good gains, with little sides, so it turned out good.
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Endogenous TSH et al are suppressed by steroids because in general they amplify thyroid function and the body generates a negative feedback response. I'm sure it's possible to get lethargic from deca, but overeating is more likely to be the cause there. Usually E.D. and water weight is the only real side guys will notice in common dosages. As for bloat, your experience has just been way different from mine. Winny, tren, masteron.... all of them helped me remove bloat, similar to low-dose A-dex. Unless I downed a ****load of gluten, but who does that on a cut.

different strokes, brother.
 
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