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Replacing Body Fat With Mass

Lefty78

Lefty78

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Im 33, and have been training hard for years - but have always had a garbage diet. I can jump into control and shread down, but there is a fat kid in there somewhere that wants to stay. I am currently 168, and can shred down to 153-155 and be at a peak condition, fast, and with high stamina. At 168, I am the same, just a bit flabby. My goal is to be 170 and in the same position I am currently at for 153-155. I want to put on 15 pounds of solid mass. I know when I am cutting weight to hit 155, I am absolutley loosing muscle along with the fat, if for nothing else, when I am making these cuts I remove weight training in whole from my regimin and that alone will reduce muscle mass in itself after a couple days - spending 2 weeks cutting....well, you can do the math. I mention this, because some of that 15 pounds is already on me right now, I just want to eliminate the cut for a while and transform the fat to muscle, while gaining.

Currently my diet is clean, but may need some tweaking/adding:
Meal #1: Oatmeal, egg whites
Meal #2: 40 Gram Protein Shake
Meal #3: Brown Rice, Spinach, Tuna
Meal #4: 40 Gram Protein Shake
Meal #5: Protien Bar
Meal #6: Brown Rice, Spinach, Chicken Breast (or Salmon, Tilapia, etc.)
Meal #7: 40 Gram Protein Shake
Daily Totals: Cal: 2,800 , F: 65, C: 196, P: 309

My lifts fall Monday-Thursday. After Meal #1 I bike about 2 miles to the gym, lightly, for a wake up. Upon arrival I hit a scoop of BSN NO Xplode and get to work. Quick warm up of whatever musclegroupos are hit that day. The lifts begin with 2 warm up sets(10-12), then a fail set(6-8), each subsequent set is a single warm up and then a fail. Meal #2 immediately folllows the routine.

My nights consists of Mon-Fri, Boxing, JuJitsu, Grappling Training - about 2 hours nightly.


Weekends are down time, but usually include a family bike ride, or a good amount of foot travel at the park (I have a young son)


Now here is where it gets questionable....I guess. I did a good amount of research, consulted with a couple different trainers and did not give either of them information from the other, and they both basically returned the same info. That inclined me to set the following up. The problem is, I am 3 weeks in, and I keep finding more research that shows cons, pros too, but It seems the more I read, the harder it is to make a decision.....maybe reading personal accounts is not the right thing! My supplement intake that follows is daily, planned for 6 weeks, and I am starting week 3 today.

Wakeup:
3 x Milk Thisle (600mg)
2 x Calcium+D (1000mg)
2 x Omega (2400mg)
2 x Lipo6 X
1 Shot of UTrition Multivitamin Plus
30 Minutes later is Meal #1 followed by:
1 x GS EMonster
1 x Novatest ES

Mid Day:
Meal #4 is accompanied by:
3 x Milk Thisle (600mg)
2 x Calcium+D (1000mg)
2 x Omega (2400mg)
2 x Fiber Tablets

Late Day:
After Meal #5
2 x Lipo 6 X

Evening:
After Meal #6
1 x GS Emonster
1 x Novatest ES


I have a few questions, the first and most important - is there anything that can be suggested that I am missing with the food, supplements or lifts?

Second, is my cardio training too much and counteractive? I get a ton of mixed reviews, because it is what my body is used to.

Third, I also run alot of "fun" races to keep somethin on the calendar and to keep a goal in mind - these include Marathons, Tough Mudders, Ruc Pack Races, etc. Should I cut them out or are they also OK, since my body is used to them.

In addition, I had blood work taken and a basic physical done previous to starting this stack, though I dont have the results in hand at the moment, they are on file with the doc.

Sound off, Ill take the good with the bad. But I am in the direction and just looking for some type of assurance I am heading right. Like I said, I did reasearch and consulted....I just got a bored and starting LOOOKING for the negatives, and looking hard - so of course I am raising argument against myself now!
 
In addition, I like to stay active - is runing daily sets of body weight exercises a problem? (pushups, pullups, hanging crunches, etc)
 
I just looked up the PH you're taking... Prepare to feel like crap after a couple weeks. 30 mg of SD+30mg Cynostane+40mg LMG+50mg of Halodrol= a world of hurt after week 2. What does your PCT protocol look like?
 
For clarity I forgot to mention above Cycle Assist and Cellmass.

For PCT:
BCAA
HCGENERATE
VITAMIN C - 5000
INHIBITE
TITANIUM

Shifting gears back to the current cycle, is there any tweaking I can do to maximize results as it stands?

Is it counterproductive to be training for anything other than the build while on cycle? (grappling, boxing, jujitsu, obstacle running.....I have a marathon in an hour....)

I know I should be allowing micro tears 72 hours, is pushups, pull ups an issue?

I want to review the PCT as well, I just want to keep the horse in front of the carriage. The more I read about that, the more I think I might tweak PCT out as well.......but I guess that's why we can run more than one cycle..
 
This is my third week, no pain yet. Where is that pain supposed to concentrate? Is there anything that can be done to combat it at this point?
 
Lefty78 said:
This is my third week, no pain yet. Where is that pain supposed to concentrate? Is there anything that can be done to combat it at this point?
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Well the main hurt the previous poster was talking about is the sides associated with taking ph. Lower back pumps, headaches, shin splints, liver stress, testicular atrophy, lethargy, plus more I probably forgot.

The thing about doing all that activity is that your body can't do two things at once. Well with assistance it can but you're not getting the best of either. But for your activity and seemingly your lifestyle I'd say it should let you gain some muscle and lose fat. Only problem is that after your cycle you will most likely lose a lot of the muscle mass unless you up your calories.

Just my 2 cents. I'm no pro or anything.
 
Understood. I thought there was something particular I was missing, but it sounds as if it is the norm with a moderate to harsh cycle.

As for the extra curricular activities, I can cut them out for a few months in efforts to produce and keep max gains. I have a lifetime to do different things, missing a few months or even just banging out technique and making it a point not to break a sweat during any training outside of the lift is something I am willing to do. I know the running thing (at least marathons) is not going to do anything but keep my frame as small as it can be, truth be told, that I cut out, I have not run or jogged since my last distance run two months ago in efforts to let my body gain more natural weight before I hit this cycle.
 
Your PCT us waaaaaaay out of whack. I'm not tryig to be an *******, I'm just a no bull**** kind of guy. You need to get a SERM or you will lose most, if not all of your gains. I highly recommend Toremifen. Inhibit e will not be a sufficient boost after such a heavy cycle.

I would do as follows:
TOREM: 90/60/60/30
Titanium : 4/4/4/4
DAA: 3/3/3/3/3/3
Erase(can use inhibit e but if so you need separate cortisol control) :0/0/3/3/2/2/1/1

Hope this helps!

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Also keep the hcgenerate in your pct. I haven't used it but ntbm makes great stuff and I've heard good things about that product in particular.
 
After researching I'm going with Erase and A-HD and bridge them my last 3 days on cycle.

I'm also changing from eMonster to empower (egn) the last half of the cycle. Same compound, but richer raw materials so the change won't skip a beat, but should give me even more of a boost for the last weeks.

also making the following switches
NO Xplode to Shotgun (love NO, but I've been using it for years and though it still works, I feel like my body has def adapted)
Cell mass to Bullrush recelerator

And cycle assist to life support
 
I wouldn't stack erase and A-HD... But that's just me. I made the mistake of stacking Inhibit-E and A-HD, and let's just suffice it to say that no bonerage was had.

What about a SERM?
 
I'm still up in the air on the SERM. Of the two guys I consult with, neither suggest. My research tells me something different with every level deeper I dig into it. Bottom line, I have 6 weeks to decide. One of the guys I consult with sells me the stuff, so him shorting himself a few sales along the way and letting me know why I'm being excessive makes me put a bit more trust in his word. Loosing money by suggesting less is not what the salesman in him should be doing.

As for the other thing, if there is anything left of my lady friends at the end of this cycle they will deserve the time off if I hit the same results..
 
Let me put it this way then... The two guys you're talking to are misinformed... 4 wks of 30mg of SD is enough on its own to necessitate a SERM, let alone all the other PH's.
 
Second the serm... ESPECIALLY after a long cycle. Even if the compounds were EXTREMELY light, your body will sure as hell not be used to producing anything after such a long cycle and will need much more than natural boosts to get back to normal when producing your own test.

Even if a low dose alongside Erase and whatnot, you're still going to be needing SERM to kickstart production again.
 
if your talking to guys who say you dont need a serm you may as well talk to a wall


this cycle will be sh!t cuz the pct is sh!t. You wont hold more than 25% of the gains.
 
Four suggested products I can research? I know I can google it and get lost reading for days, but if I can get one or two opinions from three different people here it might save me a ton of time and start me off with the cream of the crop to figure out and decide on from there. I know I said I have six weeks to decide, but who wants to spend six weeks reading!
 
Why do people insist on not using serms??? Cheaper, more effective, and extremely easy to find. Seriously I don't get how people don't know how to find a serm when we have something as wonderful as a search engine lol. I mean dam even finding a gear source only took me about a half hour of searching.
 
Turnitup122 said:
Why do people insist on not using serms??? Cheaper, more effective, and extremely easy to find. Seriously I don't get how people don't know how to find a serm when we have something as wonderful as a search engine lol. I mean dam even finding a gear source only took me about a half hour of searching.
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I don't get it either bro. Sd an no serm? Plan stupid bro. Those guys you talk to are retarded. 30mg of sd for 4 weeks is also overkill.

You will look worse after your cycle if you don't get a serm plain an simple. And u might have a set of new tits to go along w it. Get a serm.
 
Lefty78 said:
Four suggested products I can research? I know I can google it and get lost reading for days, but if I can get one or two opinions from three different people here it might save me a ton of time and start me off with the cream of the crop to figure out and decide on from there. I know I said I have six weeks to decide, but who wants to spend six weeks reading!
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Here's some stuff to research... Three, not four as requested.

Torem (Toremifen Citrate)
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate)
Clomid (Clomiphene Citrate)

When you decide which one you want to get, just google its name+ "Research Chemicals" and you will find what you need... Don't take too long, shipping can take a while and you don't want to end this cycle with no SERM ready to go. The LMG can cause progestin-related side-effects for some people so Clomid is often suggested, but if I were running the PH you're taking I would go with Torem, mostly because it is simple to use and doesn't usually cause any unwanted side effects like clomid can (Clomid has been known to make 200+ lb bodybuilders behave like angsty little PMSing teenagers).
 
you need to learn how to eat- cut out the three protein shakes- use ONE shake postworkout- the rest of your diet needs to have protein coming from:eggs, beef, chicken, and fish- period- use about 3-4 portions that will net you 60 grams protein EACH meal
 
U will save so much money if u forget all that useless crap and just spend money on:

The steroid
Cycle Support
And a SERM

Dont waste money on useless test boosters. A SERM is going to be magnitudes stronger than any test booster out. If u need to spend money on one, get D-aspartic acid. Its like 10 bucks and will make a decent boost. If u dont get a SERM u will not recover properly, PERIOD. U wont be able to get a hard on and u will be depressed and smaller post cycle than when u started.
 
sometimes you get this nasty side called "spontanious vagina" watch out for that.
all jokes aside, you seriously need a SERM for SD, its amazing that you are taking the advise of 2 guys on top of all these people that are telling you to do the SERM
 
My purpose of jumping in these forums was for additional info and advise. I still have 5 weeks until I move to PCT, if you read thoroughly you'll find my PCT decision has not been made. I thought I knew, but the more I read, the more I thought I was over doing or missing something. I am by no means hardheaded or stubborn. I appreciate all the info and will use it all as a means of perfecting my formula.

As for the diet. And I know this is an excuse I can change.... I am really limited for time. I know protein shakes are about the worst protein supplement out. While I would love to eat 7 meals a day and drink none, it's tough. With my whining out of the way I pledge to change one more meal to solids daily.

I still have the initial question. I lift in the am. Are my pm MMA practices counter productive to growth or is the training a good means of leaning out while gaining? (2 hours, round style (3-5 minute spurts, 1 minute rest), intense, dripping, combat)
 
Imo If youve been doin the mma for long enough your bodys probly used to the stress of it so it probly wouldn't hamper gains too much if at all. But if u just started it then idk.
 
Lefty78 said:
My purpose of jumping in these forums was for additional info and advise. I still have 5 weeks until I move to PCT, if you read thoroughly you'll find my PCT decision has not been made. I thought I knew, but the more I read, the more I thought I was over doing or missing something. I am by no means hardheaded or stubborn. I appreciate all the info and will use it all as a means of perfecting my formula.

As for the diet. And I know this is an excuse I can change.... I am really limited for time. I know protein shakes are about the worst protein supplement out. While I would love to eat 7 meals a day and drink none, it's tough. With my whining out of the way I pledge to change one more meal to solids daily.

I still have the initial question. I lift in the am. Are my pm MMA practices counter productive to growth or is the training a good means of leaning out while gaining? (2 hours, round style (3-5 minute spurts, 1 minute rest), intense, dripping, combat)
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Am I reading funny?

Are you doing a 6 week cycle of SD/LMG and some other compound? With SD being a 30mg?
 
SkItZoId said:
Am I reading funny?

Are you doing a 6 week cycle of SD/LMG and some other compound? With SD being a 30mg?
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8 weeks and SD is 30 daily, yes. (emonster)
 
Turnitup122 said:
Imo If youve been doin the mma for long enough your bodys probly used to the stress of it so it probly wouldn't hamper gains too much if at all. But if u just started it then idk.
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4 years solid training. My body is tuned at this point for it.
 
Lefty78 said:
4 years solid training. My body is tuned at this point for it.
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dude, i'm not sure many people are tuned up for 8 weeks of 30mg of superdrol.

Look its no beef to grab a serm, just get one and run it. Seriously you're heading for a huge pair of tits. If I were you I would have only run a 4 weeker of SD at 10/20/20/30 at the very most. Yeah there are guys here that would push that up even more, but not for 8 weeks. Its very liver toxic and there are considerable estrogen rebound effects post cycle that otc BS isn't going to do jack.

I had about 6 years of solid training under my belt when I did a solo run of SD. I did it for 5 weeks at 10/20/20/20/30. Bottom line I ****ed my PCT up and it caused me a world of pain that took me quite some time to bounce back from. That was SD on its own. I know if I ever ran it again I would be looking at a 3-4 week cycle.

Anyway, good luck mate.
 
SkItZoId said:
dude, i'm not sure many people are tuned up for 8 weeks of 30mg of superdrol.

Look its no beef to grab a serm, just get one and run it. Seriously you're heading for a huge pair of tits. If I were you I would have only run a 4 weeker of SD at 10/20/20/30 at the very most. Yeah there are guys here that would push that up even more, but not for 8 weeks. Its very liver toxic and there are considerable estrogen rebound effects post cycle that otc BS isn't going to do jack.

I had about 6 years of solid training under my belt when I did a solo run of SD. I did it for 5 weeks at 10/20/20/20/30. Bottom line I ****ed my PCT up and it caused me a world of pain that took me quite some time to bounce back from. That was SD on its own. I know if I ever ran it again I would be looking at a 3-4 week cycle.

Anyway, good luck mate.
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The 4 years referred to my night training that has nothing to do with the weights. It was responding to a question related to continuing the MMA training as it stands or scaling back while on cycle.

As for the SERM, I'm set on getting one, but want to make the right decision. Had a couple of my guys fights this past weekend, so was not able to research as of yet.

I have one question, the way you worded your response sounded almost as if you were suggesting the SERM now, and during pct. Can you shoot me clarity on your suggestion? Last thing I want is bigger tits than the ring girls when it's time to compete...
 
I see that now, jump a post to far sorry.

No I don't suggest you start a serm before finishing your cycle of gear. But I strongly suggest you bail the cycle by week 4 and then start a serm. But of course that's your choice. Just make sure you run the serm for the same length as you run your steroid cycle.

If you do a forum search on rebound gyno, you'll get an idea on what you could be up against hitting SD hard and long. I'm no expert on the ins and outs if the debates, and it is furiously debated as to how people end up getting gyno off of SD or rather after they finish PCT or during PCT. Its a very supressive compound and if I was to take a bold guess, so of the rebound gyno issuse are to do with people struggling to recover from their cycles even with what appears to be an effective dose of serms. Anyway obviously the longer you supress your natural test, the longer it may take to get back, the estrogen spikes could be devistating during that period. But i'm not going to bull **** my way through this topic as I'm now entering ground I know little about.
Lefty78 said:
The 4 years referred to my night training that has nothing to do with the weights. It was responding to a question related to continuing the MMA training as it stands or scaling back while on cycle.

As for the SERM, I'm set on getting one, but want to make the right decision. Had a couple of my guys fights this past weekend, so was not able to research as of yet.

I have one question, the way you worded your response sounded almost as if you were suggesting the SERM now, and during pct. Can you shoot me clarity on your suggestion? Last thing I want is bigger tits than the ring girls when it's time to compete...
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Dude your gonna have a hard time not getting gyno on sd and lmg. If I'm not mistaken, u have a chance of getting progesterone gyno from lmg and sd has a good chance of giving you estrogen gyno. So yea def stock up on ur ancillaries lol
 
8 weeks of SD? plain stupid and irresponsible bro. By week 5-6 , sides are gonna be unbearable and the lethargy is gonna hit u bad where your not gonna want to even get out of bed let alone lift.

On top of that even w a serm recovery is gonna be hell and u will prob lose most of your gains. And just becUse u don't feel some of the sides don't mean they aint there. Your liver is gonna be shot.

Just keep it to 4 weeks and u will be plenty happy w ur results.
 
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