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Recomp with Epistane / Win50 / Trenazone

Hey Drew,

No worries bro, the more questions - the more we all learn.

First off, I am no expert but from everything I read I just thought Nolvadex was the way to go. Details about eye sight issues and emotional stuff with clomid, swayed my decision pretty heavily. Torem might have been a good choice as well. Anyone else that wants to chime in their opinions feel free.

I like Endosurge a lot. I tend not to go with the 3 x 2 caps dosing though. I end up dragging my ass during the day, as for it really can relax me. I find 2 before my workout or after my workout, and then 4 at bedtime works pretty sweet. I always sleep well on endosurge, with vivid dreams.

Personally, I wouldn't sell them. Try a bottle and send your brother the other for July 4th!

Hope that helps man.
 
PCT Day 3 - Shoulders / Chest pump


Cage Press:
130x12 - warm up
130x12 - warm up
180x8
180x8
190x8
190x8


Arnold Press:
60x8
60x8
60x8
60x8


6 ways:
10x10
10x10
10x10
10x6 - burnt


** Face Pulls: 2-3 second pause on contraction
120x7x12


Dumbbell Twist n Press:
65x10
65x10
70x10
70x10


Incline Barbell Press: to 3/4 lockout for constant tension
180x8
200x8
210x8
220x8


** Machine Flys:
100x7x12


Standing Barbell Calves:
190x5x15


SS with Ladder Pushups:
Level 4 x 25 (highest)
Level 3 x 18
Level 2 x 13
Level 1 x 10 (lowest)


LISS: 25min 3.8mph / incline 4


Not a bad workout, numbers pretty much reflect last weeks. 2 hours post workout, I am sore as hell though.

Big game tonight for the Bruins..
 
You planning to review the stack and post your new stats? Definitely look to have gained a good amount of strength throughout the cycle.
 
REALDEAL012 said:
You planning to review the stack and post your new stats? Definitely look to have gained a good amount of strength throughout the cycle.
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Yes. I wanted to get in a few workouts in PCT before posting a review / reflection of the stack. Will definitely be doing so though, and including stats. Arms gained an inch, I can tell you that much.
 
PCT Day 5: ARMS


Crossbody Hammer Curls: Each set - 4L/4R, 4L/4R
65x8
65x8
65x8
65x8


SS w/Rope Pushdowns:
110x10
110x10
110x10
110x10


Preacher Curls:
100x10
100x10
100x10
100x10


SS w/Close Grip Bench
160x10
160x10
170x10
170x10


Alternating Dumbbell Curls: Each set - 4L/4R, 4L/4R
45x8
45x8
45x8
45x8


SS w/ Overhead Tri Extension:
120x10
120x10
120x10
120x10


**EzBar Curls (3 sec negatives):
80x10x7


**V-Bar Tricep Pushdowns (2 second hold in extended position):
140x12x7


Standing Calves:
160x15x5


Another fine arm workout, strong pump. During 7s for ez curls was experiencing some cramps in my bi's. Just some random flexes later in the day produced the same effect. Perhaps need more BCAA's. Recovery should be a little longer from this point on. Time will tell.


I will post up a review of the stack tomorrow. With some key measurements. These measurements will also be updated after pct.


Go B's.... 1-0 after one.
 
Nice arm session wasme.

It's hard to believe that the B's let that one get away.
 
breezy11 said:
Nice arm session wasme.

It's hard to believe that the B's let that one get away.
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Thanks Breezy.

Tell me about it. But it was a great run at the cup that is for sure. I wonder how game 7 would have gone had they been able to take last night.
 
PCT Day 6: Legs


Band Good Mornings:
12
12
12


Leg Extensions:
140x10
140x10
140x10
140x10


Squats:
210x8
270x7
290x6
300x3


Hack Squats (3 second pause):
210x8
240x8
240x8


**Leg Extensions:
100x12x7
+7 partials


Stiff Leg Deadlift:
210x8
220x8
220x8
230x3 - hams were cramping


**Lying Leg Curls:
55x12x7
+0 partials.. legs were fried


LISS will be this evening: 5km (walk either on treadmill or brisk through park).


- Great workout this morning. Did not hit the all the reps that I did last week, but felt good throughout. I am noticing my strength is still there, but it takes much more effort to push the heavier weight. Legs were very wobbly by the end of the workout. I'll take it!
 
Woo woo glad to see my brother still smashing it!! Fine arm workout my ass more like Superman Arm workout!!!
 
wasme said:
Thanks Breezy.

Tell me about it. But it was a great run at the cup that is for sure. I wonder how game 7 would have gone had they been able to take last night.
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Yeah, looking back it'll eventually be a great year lol...they did smoke Pens (and Crosby :)).

wasme said:
PCT Day 6: Legs

Band Good Mornings:
12
12
12

Leg Extensions:
140x10
140x10
140x10
140x10

Squats:
210x8
270x7
290x6
300x3

Hack Squats (3 second pause):
210x8
240x8
240x8

**Leg Extensions:
100x12x7
+7 partials

Stiff Leg Deadlift:
210x8
220x8
220x8
230x3 - hams were cramping

**Lying Leg Curls:
55x12x7
+0 partials.. legs were fried

LISS will be this evening: 5km (walk either on treadmill or brisk through park).

- Great workout this morning. Did not hit the all the reps that I did last week, but felt good throughout. I am noticing my strength is still there, but it takes much more effort to push the heavier weight. Legs were very wobbly by the end of the workout. I'll take it!
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Awesome workout wasme. Looks brutal. :eek:
 
breezy11 said:
Yeah, looking back it'll eventually be a great year lol...they did smoke Pens (and Crosby :)).



Awesome workout wasme. Looks brutal. :eek:
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For sure, holding the Pens to 2 goals and a sweep was totally unexpected. Eastern Conference Champs still has a nice ring to it.

Thanks Breezy. My hams are crazy sore today.
 
REALDEAL012 said:
You planning to review the stack and post your new stats? Definitely look to have gained a good amount of strength throughout the cycle.
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As promised... reflection on Win50/Epistane/Trenazone stack.

First of all even though I had a couple of set backs (some nose bleeds, blood pressure), all in all it was a pretty good run.

Win50 did what it was supposed to do which was add muscle hardness and vascularity - however to dose it correctly it was an expensive compound.
Epistane definitely added strength and some aggression - I really did not notice much of a difference when it came to dosing at 40/50/60 mg, perhaps I didn't run it long enough at 60?
Trenazone perhaps was dosed a little low as I only had one bottle - but still felt it kick in with some strength gains, appetitie increase, and some added water.

PROs:

- Increased strength
- Increased recovery
- Better than normal focus
- No gastric issues
- Libido was constant
- NO joint issues
- NO real changes in skin (acne/oily)

CONs:
-Blood Pressure was hard to control (perhaps from going 60mg on Epistane, the stacking, or Trenazone - hard to pin point). Adding a bedtime dose of baby aspirin, as well as 200mg of C0Q10 did lower my blood pressure. That said, I also did lower my Epistane dosing to 40mg.
-Had some very short nose bleeds, that were likely linked to my bp.
-Lethargic - weeks 3-5 this was much more predominant.
-Last 2-3 weeks craved everything in site. It was like the Anabeta black hole on steroids. (perhaps this is not a con)

Key Measurement Changes:

Weight: 225 to 241
Waist: 35 to 36 1/4 -- f*ck !! lol
Chest: 45 to 47 1/2
Bicep: 16 to 17 1/4

Biggest changes in performance:

Squats: 260x8 --> 300x6 (290x8)
Bench Press: 270x4 --> 315x2 (305x4)

I suppose you can attribute 50% of the weight change to bodyfat/water.

I realize being a first time PH run, I should not have started so aggressively by stacking 3 products as I am not really sure what caused my blood pressure to rise. I do know that it started to increase with the introduction of Trenazone. However, at the same time my dosages of Win50 and Epistane were increasing.

I do plan on running Epistane again, but will do so solo or with BPS Dermacrine added. I would like to try HDROL first, as well as MStenRX as FU seemed to have a great run on that with no medical alert sides (BP).

Hope this was helpful/insightful. Any questions ... please feel free. (posting this here and in the 2nd post of thread).

One additional thing to note: I am now 7 days into PCT. Although my strength seems to be holding and infact I was able to get a couple of extra reps out of my bench this morning, I am finding I do have to push harder and am definitely not recovering as fast with stronger DOMS the following day.
 
PCT Day 7: CHEST


- Legs are still very sore from yesterday.


Bench Press:
140 x 15 - under constant tension
140 x 15 - under constant tension
210 x 5
250 x 5
270 x 5
295 x 5
315 x 4 - last week 315x2


Decline Bench (25lb plates under legs for slight decline):
210 x 8
230 x 8
245 x 8


Incline Dumbbell Press:
75 x 8
75 x 8
75 x 8
75 x 6 - down 2 from last week


Incline Flys:
55 x 10
55 x 10
55 x 10
55 x 10 - extra set


**Cable Crossovers (slow negative):
60 x 7 x 12


Ladder Pushups: Burnout
Level 1 x 18 (lowest)
Level 2 x 11
Level 3 x 13
Level 4 x 10(highest)
*10 seconds rest between sets - just enough time to raise the bar.


LISS: 5km walk - moderate pace.
 
wasme said:
As promised... reflection on Win50/Epistane/Trenazone stack.

First of all even though I had a couple of set backs (some nose bleeds, blood pressure), all in all it was a pretty good run.

Win50 did what it was supposed to do which was add muscle hardness and vascularity - however to dose it correctly it was an expensive compound.
Epistane definitely added strength and some aggression - I really did not notice much of a difference when it came to dosing at 40/50/60 mg, perhaps I didn't run it long enough at 60?
Trenazone perhaps was dosed a little low as I only had one bottle - but still felt it kick in with some strength gains, appetitie increase, and some added water.

PROs:

- Increased strength
- Increased recovery
- Better than normal focus
- No gastric issues
- Libido was constant
- NO joint issues
- NO real changes in skin (acne/oily)

CONs:
-Blood Pressure was hard to control (perhaps from going 60mg on Epistane, the stacking, or Trenazone - hard to pin point). Adding a bedtime dose of baby aspirin, as well as 200mg of C0Q10 did lower my blood pressure. That said, I also did lower my Epistane dosing to 40mg.
-Had some very short nose bleeds, that were likely linked to my bp.
-Lethargic - weeks 3-5 this was much more predominant.
-Last 2-3 weeks craved everything in site. It was like the Anabeta black hole on steroids. (perhaps this is not a con)

Key Measurement Changes:

Weight: 225 to 241
Waist: 35 to 36 1/4 -- f*ck !! lol
Chest: 45 to 47 1/2
Bicep: 16 to 17 1/4

Biggest changes in performance:

Squats: 260x8 --> 300x6 (290x8)
Bench Press: 270x4 --> 315x2 (305x4)

I suppose you can attribute 50% of the weight change to bodyfat/water.

I realize being a first time PH run, I should not have started so aggressively by stacking 3 products as I am not really sure what caused my blood pressure to rise. I do know that it started to increase with the introduction of Trenazone. However, at the same time my dosages of Win50 and Epistane were increasing.

I do plan on running Epistane again, but will do so solo or with BPS Dermacrine added. I would like to try HDROL first, as well as MStenRX as FU seemed to have a great run on that with no medical alert sides (BP).

Hope this was helpful/insightful. Any questions ... please feel free. (posting this here and in the 2nd post of thread).

One additional thing to note: I am now 7 days into PCT. Although my strength seems to be holding and infact I was able to get a couple of extra reps out of my bench this morning, I am finding I do have to push harder and am definitely not recovering as fast with stronger DOMS the following day.
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Nice review, and nice gains on strength and size! (Except the waist, lol)

A someone who has never tried a PH, what would you recommend me trying? (I don't currently have any BP issues)
 
Neither need that IMO.

With the bp issues I encountered, I would recommend running Epistane solo. Then if you get a spike you know what the cause is. The stuff works, and both HDROL and Epi are considered 'mild' so a good starting point.
 
PCT Day 9: Back / Traps


Dumbbell Deadstops:
105x8
105x8
105x8
105x8




MD Pullovers:
60x10
60x10
60x10
60x10




Wide Grip Lat Pulldown:
210x12
220x12
220x12
220x10




Seated Wide Cable Row:
150x8
150x8
150x8
150x8




Reeves Deadlifts: EZ curl bar. Hard squeeze/shrug on each rep.
220x5
220x5
230x5
230x5




**Stretchers:
150x12x7




Upright Rows:
110x8
110x8
110x8

**Shrugs (3 sec pause):
60x12x7


LISS: 30 minutes, 3.8mph / incline 4.0




Great workout. I am not sure if I could have been going heavier all along with my dumbbell deadstops. Last week was rowing up 95's, today 105's.. Everything else was on point. New parts finally came for my lat tower so was able to get that back in top form before starting this workout.


Sides noted so far in PCT: Oily skin, acne - under skin that hurts, heart burn.
 
Good stuff bro - Killing it on PCT! I forgot about those reeves deadlifts! I need to throw them back in!
 
Woo woo out for a few days and see my brother is still pimping the weights!! Keep killing it brother!
 
PCT Day 10 - Shoulders / Chest pump

Warmup: 4km run through park

Cage Press:
130x12 - warm up
130x12 - warm up
180x8
180x8
190x8
190x8

Arnold Press:
60x8
60x8
60x8
60x8

6 ways:
10x10
10x10
10x10
10x7 - the struggle got the best of me here

** Face Pulls: 2-3 second pause on contraction
120x7x12

Dumbbell Twist n Press:
70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10

Incline Barbell Press: to 3/4 lockout for constant tension
180x8
200x8
210x8
220x8

** Machine Flys:
100x7x12

Standing Barbell Calves:
190x4x15

SS with Ladder Pushups:

Ran out of time... :(

Good workout, although kinda sucked that I was running low on time.. Normally do 5 sets of calves but had to get my son to work and just couldn't keep a faster pace going.
 
Nice workout again, bro!

Hmm, Cage Press and Reeves DL's. Always learning something new in here.
 
10 days into PCT.. gotta admit, my recovery is way down. Serious DOMS, and even some joint pain. Will be upping my Cissus back to 4 caps instead of 2 per day.
 
wasme said:
Thanks Tom... As usual credit to breezy11 on all these. You should check out his log/thread.. so much to learn..
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Thanks for the kind words wasme.


wasme said:
10 days into PCT.. gotta admit, my recovery is way down. Serious DOMS, and even some joint pain. Will be upping my Cissus back to 4 caps instead of 2 per day.
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Are you still doing the SuperCissus/Achilles combo?
 
breezy11 said:
Thanks for the kind words wasme.




Are you still doing the SuperCissus/Achilles combo?
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No problem, appreciate all your help along the way.

No, that was a great combo - but all out of Achilles. I have always had great success with SC though. And when things are going smooth, I typically can keep things in check with 2 caps.
 
Nice workout.
I have been slacking on my cissus as well. My hips are bad today... I just don't get it.

Yeah man, up your cissus and try go get some glucosamine and msm. That stuff seems to help a bit
 
PCT Day 12: ARMS


Warmup: 4km run - with 2 good hills.


Crossbody Hammer Curls: Each set - 4L/4R, 4L/4R
70x8
65x8
65x8
65x8


SS w/Rope Pushdowns:
110x10
110x10
110x10
110x10


Preacher Curls:
100x10
100x10
100x10
100x10


SS w/Close Grip Bench
160x10
160x10
170x8
170x10


Alternating Dumbbell Curls: Each set - 4L/4R, 4L/4R
45x8
45x8
45x8
45x8


SS w/ Overhead Tri Extension:
120x10
120x10
120x10
120x10


**EzBar Curls (3 sec negatives):
80x10x7


**V-Bar Tricep Pushdowns (2 second hold in extended position):
140x12x7


Standing Calves:
160x15x5


Solid arm session left me quite sore, almost achy. As mentioned recovery is done. I am even though strength is still there, I am finding I have to push way harder.
 
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