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Raw Eggs for your Health

Most cases ore not reported because they are not life threatening. The CDC estimates that there are as many as 1.4 million cases every year. Which is precisely why you shouldn't worry about it. If it truly were a dangerous bug that high of an infection rate should generate magnitudes more than 500 fatalities a year.
 
alright, who the **** died from masturbating? :think:Lead singer for INXS for one, however that was meant to demonstrate how silly it is to fear eggs raw or otherwise (ovophobia?). This is a hard number, 12 "Neck-Tie related" deaths in the US yearly. Do we need a thread dedicated to warning members who wear ties of the dangers that these fashionable nooses pose?...Dim
 
I love it....This is the best thread ever :cheers:
Who would have guessed......."eggs"

it will kill you :sick:

no it wont :thumbsup:



Joeyc :wave:
 
joeyc said:
I love it....This is the best thread ever :cheers:
Who would have guessed......."eggs"

it will kill you :sick:

no it wont :thumbsup:



Joeyc :wave:
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no, keep it going, I love your avatar!:thumbsup:
 
sweet-physique said:
I would guess somebody who got very careless with an electronic device in the bathtub.
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they have electronic devices for that? damn, i feel old.

what's next? gay marriage? :whip: j/k
 
BOHICA said:
Many bodybuilders swear by eggs. Although most wouldn't ever think about taking them raw, this study talks about the benefits of taking eggs raw instead of cooked. I prefer mine with a dash of Splenda. (Thanks to Crowler who helped me take them)

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You FILTHY LIAR I told you cook your eggs ALWAYS infact I said to cook your eggs then to put them through a syringe filter then bake at 250 degrees for 1 hour in a hermetically sealed oven. :rofl:


Now me on the other hand I eat 2 doz raw eggs a day :rasp:

BTW I actually did say I ate them with Splenda but now I don't even use that. AND Bochia tells me that his gf tried a little raw egg and she said it tasted like cum.

Nice guy tries to gross me off of eating raw eggs. :hammer:
 
i am pretty sure the "died from masturbating" thing is largely due to autoerotic asphixiation

although you can get a heart attack from anything. even something healthy. just ask jim fixx

anyways, i'm not worried about salmonella (much). i am worried about bioavailability in re: avidin
 
BOHICA said:
Many bodybuilders swear by eggs. Although most wouldn't ever think about taking them raw, this study talks about the benefits of taking eggs raw instead of cooked. I prefer mine with a dash of Splenda. (Thanks to Crowler who helped me take them)

"Raw whole eggs are a phenomenally inexpensive and incredible source of high-quality nutrients that many of us are deficient in, especially high-quality protein and fat. Eggs generally are one of the most allergic foods that are eaten, but I believe this is because they are cooked. If one consumes the eggs in their raw state the incidence of egg allergy virtually disappears. Heating the egg protein actually changes its chemical shape, and the distortion can easily lead to allergies."

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Hey I sent this article through email to eggwhitesint. The president of the company wrote me back with this.

Thank you for the info. It is a very interesting article. I will try to contact the author to give him some additional info we got from an Avidin/Biotin antibody laboratory. The fact that we can neutralize the Avidin thru a heat pasteurization process at a very low heat of only 134 degrees without hurting the other proteins in the egg white. This eliminates all chance of salmonella and any Biotin deficiency.

Thank you very much, this author could be a big help in educating people on drinking liquid egg whites.


Ray "Mac" McCabe
President
Egg Whites International
714-921-4663
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T-Bone said:
Go ahead, keep it eating raw eggs. You will be sorry one day though when you end up with the toilet bowel as your new best friend!

Well no offense to anyone here, but I am kind of sick of this topic.
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Hmmm, must be the eggs....

When I was growing up, I had raw eggs in milk every day for breakfast before going off to school - I'm talking grades 1 - 12, and I mean EVERYday. So did my dad and my brother. None of us ever got salmonella.


For a palatable way to take raw eggs, try this:

8 - 12 oz milk in blender
1 or 2 eggs (without shells)
1 tsp splenda or whatever
1/4 tsp vanilla extract

lid on, blend on high 'til foamy, pour, serve, drink!
me owld mum's antique fambly recipie, and no lie.

if she was feeling generous, she'd add a teaspoon of unsweetened chocolate powder; if she was concerned about our health, she'd add a teaspoon of brewer's yeast (guaranteed to make ya puke up what ails ya!) ...I had to learn about nutrition at an early age just to save myself from her early health-food experiments!

Then she'd rinse out the blender, and put it into the fridge, to await the next day's breakfast....

nowadays, we have these fancy flavored whey powders, so knock yerselves out, gentlemen!
 
I am a bartender and raw eggs have been a staple behind the bar in the past- TONS of drinks were made with raw eggs in them.
 
Knowbull said:
I used to work food service for years, there are people coming down with salmonella every day. The health department has a list that it publishes and sends to the chef. This list show every case of food poisining, type, and restauraunt where it occured etc. There is an unbelievable number of cases! Some people are just more prone than others. IMO you could get all of the benefit and none of the risk by using powdered eggs. Yes food borne illness can be fatal!
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Exactly. This proves that we shouldn't be eating out. I would never go to Denny's and order a cup of raw eggs. Hell, I don't like going there to order cooked food. Restarunts are the best places to get sick from food.
 
If I put some cold raw eggs to the shake in the morning. The whole shake will be in a pretty cool place whole day. Can I drink it still in the evening ?

Short version: How fast will be raw eggs ruined when they have taken from their shells?
 
Each to his own. The reward of possibly better protein intake versus the risk of disease. For me, not worth it. 6 to 12 eggs a day X 80% of days per year equaling 1,752-3,504 divided by 1:10-40K risk is a 4.38-35.04% chance,simplified, of getting Salmonela in any given year. Multiple by 10,20, 30 years, it becomes an near certainty. Salmonella can be as light as mild stomach discomfort to as serious as fatal. I personally don't like this risk/reward equation, pass the cottage cheese, please.
 
one of my favorite drinks is made with raw eggs actually....not healthy though

1 raw egg yolk
2 Tablespoons condensed milk
8 oz. sprite

mmmmmmmmmm
 
Damn now I feel bad about having my 8 egg-white bedtime shake that I've been having for the past year or so.

Although I can't say i know of anyone who got salmonella personally. I'm sure if I did i'd be a little more nervous.

I only do it b/c of convienince. I mean its way easier to drink up a 8 egg shake then it is to eat 8 egg whites, the cooked whites make me want to gag after eating like 3 of them.

What if you microwave the whites for a short time, think that would kil anything?

Or maybe push it thru a whatman ? lol j/k
 
First I want to say - This thread delivers! Best thread on the forum!

Second, imo salmonella is way overrated. I've eaten raw eggs, and so have several ppl I know, since my freshman year of high school, never gotten sick.

Thirdly, I need some studies on the bioavailability of raw egg protein damnitt!!!
 
Mrs. Gimpy! said:
one of my favorite drinks is made with raw eggs actually....not healthy though

1 raw egg yolk
2 Tablespoons condensed milk
8 oz. sprite

mmmmmmmmmm
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Never heard of that, what the heck is it called? Sounds like a decent hangover drink.
 
I have one point to make about that article. The author has made some great points. Only one that I would dispute: that you must be carefull about "damaging" the egg protein.

Cooking using heat causes the egg protein to denature ie. it cooks!

Treating a protein with acid accomplishes the same thing. It denatures the protein ie. it cooks!

Adding 2+2 we find that when "raw" egg white hits the acid of the stomach it will "cook" in the acid leading to essentially the same state that it would have been in if we had heated the protein to start with. The largest difference is that the egg itself is presented in liquid state for the raw egg but in solid state for the cooked egg.

In short I eat my eggs both ways. Cooked with breakfast as a meal and raw in the form of many shakes that I drink throughout the day.

Bottom line: eat your eggs any way you can get em down!
 
Gethuge said:
Bottom line: eat your eggs any way you can get em down!
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Damn straight right from a Canadian :woohoo:

But I like the whatman idea too. Would a .45 be ok ? :)


CROWLER
 
jarhead said:
Never heard of that, what the heck is it called? Sounds like a decent hangover drink.
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i dont know actually.... its an asian drink called " eggs in milk" when its translated into english.

hangover drink??
 
Mrs. Gimpy! said:
hangover drink??
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Yeah- the fructose in the sprite to help metabolize the alchohol, the fat in the yoke to calm the stomach, and the condensed milk to.....make me barf out any remaining alchohol from the night before.:D
 
jarhead said:
Yeah- the fructose in the sprite to help metabolize the alchohol, the fat in the yoke to calm the stomach, and the condensed milk to.....make me barf out any remaining alchohol from the night before.:D
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i no longer like u! :twisted:

all i have to say is.... i have exquisite taste! :)

im just playing....
 
Just thought I'd post this up, to give you an idea of just how important egg whites are. :)

Ok so much for the informative chart I dug up... This is as neat as it gets, GL deciphering this cunieform...

Percentage (%) by weight of amino acid
Amino Acid protein
egg white beef chicken whey casein soy yeast
alanine 6.6 6.1 5.5 5.2 2.9 4.2 8.3
arginine 5.6 6.5 6.0 2.5 3.7 7.5 6.5
aspartic acid 8.9 9.1 8.9 10.9 6.6 11.5 9.8
cysteine 2.5 1.3 1.3 2.2 0.3 1.3 1.4
glutamic acid 13.5 15.0 15.0 16.8 21.5 19.0 13.5
glycine 3.6 6.1 4.9 2.2 2.1 4.1 4.8
histidine * 2.2 3.2 3.1 2.0 3.0 2.6 2.6
isoleucine * 6.0 4.5 5.3 6.0 5.1 4.8 5.0
leucine * 8.5 8.0 7.5 9.5 9.0 8.1 7.1
lysine * 6.2 8.4 8.5 8.8 3.8 6.2 6.9
methionine * 3.6 2.6 2.8 1.9 2.7 1.3 1.5
phenylalanine * 6.0 3.9 4.0 2.3 5.1 5.2 4.7
proline 3.8 4.8 4.1 6.6 10.7 5.1 4.0
serine 7.3 3.9 3.4 5.4 5.6 5.2 5.1
threonine * 4.4 4.0 4.2 6.9 4.3 3.8 5.8
tryptophan * 1.4 0.7 1.2 2.2 1.3 1.3 1.6
tyrosine 2.7 3.2 3.4 2.7 5.6 3.8 5.0
valine * 7.0 5.0 5.0 6.0 6.6 5.0 6.2
* Essential amino acids


but they're IMPORTANT!
 
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BOHICA said:
I have read from many places, that one egg out of 30-50,000 contains salmonella. Also when that one egg is cooked, if it even is that it isn't cooked well enough to even kill the salmonella.
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I read somewhere that the samonella isn't INSIDE the egg, but lives on the shell. Many egg producers now run their eggs thru a very quick hot water bath that doesn't cook the eggs, just kills the germs on the outside of the shell.
 
From a lipid aspect, egg yolks are a great source of EFA's. If you're keeping the yolks when you drink them, unsaturated fatty acids oxidize really friggin' fast, and heat makes them oxidize even quicker. If you have the yolk fully cooked, all the great fatty acids you could be getting from the yolk turns to crap.


So many people buy those damn expensive Omega-3 eggs, and then they cook them. This causes the Omega-3's to oxidize and their left with the same product as the 79 cents per dozen eggs. If you're buying the pricey stuff, either don't cook it, or don't waste your money.
 
Here we are: a website forum full of bodybuilders, many of which have done their share of doping research chems, cycling steroids, going through extremely dangerous pre-contest diets and electrolyte manipulation. And we're freaking out about salmonella poisoning like it's going to be the death of us. :wtf:
 
hi guys,
i was reading the article by Dr Mercole .
Only stir it gently with a fork, because egg protein easily gets damaged on a molecular level, even by mixing/blending

but i see a few guys blending and mixing it, is it ok ? or i really have to stir in gently and SWALLOW IT ?!!?
 
Here's my take:

I took 24 raw eggs every day for 6 months when I was 20 (half whole, half just whites), lifted heavy, and got the biggest I've ever been. That's it, just eggs, food, and weights. I didn't eat meat at the time, either. Zero supplements.

i just broke em, threw em in a shaker with OJ, and shook. Shake it hard enough and it'll lose the globular feel. Orange Julius, anyone?

Nasty? Sure. Effective? Better than anything else I've ever done. I never got sick from it.

I did get a virus which was presumed to be salmonella a couple years later. ****, vomit, and blood out my ass. Unbelievable 5 weeks of bi hourly fluid ass ejections. I lost 30-40lbs. It wasn't from egg.

You can get salmonella from fruit or veggies, so why panic? This thread just gave me the bug (haha) to try the raw eggs again...
 
hey rocky hehehe..why did u stop then?

and how do you/they know it was not from the eggs?
i just noticed u said years earlier n/m

dunno how accurate it was but i saw a ratio of 1 egg out of every 30 thousand can get u sick

i am wondering if one has strong digestive juices and immune system if one could fight off the salm. anyways?what do u guys think?

i may just have to try this for the first time.a dozen or two eggs would go down quick and easy and i would imagine digest very well and be assimilated easily(thinking along the lines of easily digestable raw sushi..which i love!)
it would be alot easier to drink them down quick vs cooking them and having to eat that many.and cooked would sit in your stomach and digest not as well..
poison said:
Here's my take:

I took 24 raw eggs every day for 6 months when I was 20 (half whole, half just whites), lifted heavy, and got the biggest I've ever been. That's it, just eggs, food, and weights. I didn't eat meat at the time, either. Zero supplements.

i just broke em, threw em in a shaker with OJ, and shook. Shake it hard enough and it'll lose the globular feel. Orange Julius, anyone?

Nasty? Sure. Effective? Better than anything else I've ever done. I never got sick from it.

I did get a virus which was presumed to be salmonella a couple years later. ****, vomit, and blood out my ass. Unbelievable 5 weeks of bi hourly fluid ass ejections. I lost 30-40lbs. It wasn't from egg.

You can get salmonella from fruit or veggies, so why panic? This thread just gave me the bug (haha) to try the raw eggs again...
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well as mentinoed mercola is not just some idiot joe shmoe touting a bs out of his ass theory.hes intellligent and well respected

and to completely want all food cooked and processed is sad and unevolved imo.sushi is quite healthy prepared right in that manner.heavy metals are an issue.getting sick isnt.ive eaten so much raw fish i probably have a great white shark beat for content!always digests so smooth.its quality protein.and raw foods in general are healthhier and easier to digest than something that has been charred to death via heat.destroying enzymes and altering content rendering it harder to digest.

raw fruits and veggies,raw fish,raw eggs..sounds like a great diet to me.an all raw food diet is not just a fad.but it is catching on esepcially out west where they are a little further ahead in general with alot of things.and have the restaraunts and commercial food sources to sustain such a thing practically for ppl.

i am wondering of if it would ideal and safegaurding to "neutralize the Avidin thru a heat pasteurization process at a very low heat of only 134 degrees without hurting the other proteins in the egg white. This eliminates all chance of salmonella and any Biotin deficiency."

1-2 dozen raws per day would increase your supposed risk by 12-24 times vs juts eating one raw egg.or a couple like 'normal' ppl so if it doesnt happen to these big guys munching them all down constantly.well...
id also say a healthy bodybuilder or other athelete with proper diet/exercise and supplementation would be a lot easier to simply shrug off the disease vs getting sick from it?

id rather be getting my foods more from an 'alive' source or close to it than a 'dead' source better energy

so another question.how does one find out which companies and brands of eggs are run thru this hot water bath in order to kill the salm. on the outside of shells?

i too am curious about the 'mix with fork only as its easily damaged' i dont really see a protein being damaged at the cellular level by shaking or even blending?anyone care to chime in on this?obviously still is viable enough to work well for a lot of ppl!

im going to experiment with this tomorow.just one thing to get over the psychological 'taboo' of basically.as a sushi fan,it wont be far of a stretch for me.
 
juggernaut333 said:
....and raw foods in general are healthhier and easier to digest than something that has been charred to death via heat.destroying enzymes and altering content rendering it harder to digest.
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This is not necessarily true and is another "fad" in the diet world. One of the reasons we cook many foods (i.e. meats) is because it makes them easier to digest. Cooking denatures protein, just as acid in the stomach denatures protein. In effect we are jump starting the process. This is not to say that I am against raw foods. I think some is beneficial but don't get caught up in the "raw food is better" mentality because on a whole it's not true.

P.S. I still think raw eggs rock! :D



.....i too am curious about the 'mix with fork only as its easily damaged' i dont really see a protein being damaged at the cellular level by shaking or even blending?anyone care to chime in on this?obviously still is viable enough to work well for a lot of ppl!
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Exactly. This is yet another fiction being aired about. Vince Gironda can probably be credit for this idea. As great a trainer as the man may have been he was a bit of a fool really. Stirring with a fork, shaking, or blending the egg won't do much to damage any of it's contents. Again, even if you did you'd only be helping digestion along by "preseperating" the egg into the componants that the body needs to absorb.
 
juggernaut333 said:
hey rocky hehehe..why did u stop then?

and how do you/they know it was not from the eggs?
i just noticed u said years earlier n/m
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Yup, it was way later.

i am wondering if one has strong digestive juices and immune system if one could fight off the salm. anyways?what do u guys think?
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To a certain degree, sure, but if you eat enough salmonella, you WILL get it. No question.

i may just have to try this for the first time.a dozen or two eggs would go down quick and easy and i would imagine digest very well and be assimilated easily(thinking along the lines of easily digestable raw sushi..which i love!)
it would be alot easier to drink them down quick vs cooking them and having to eat that many.and cooked would sit in your stomach and digest not as well..
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It may or may not digest better, GetHuge covered that already. It would be nearly impossible for me to stomach 24 hardboiled eggs a day, whereas raw it was no problem.

I tried it because I have read that it is far more anabolic than the simple amount of protein it contains would suggest (6gr per egg x 24 = 150gr protein). Maybe it's the combination of EFA's, cholesterol, and protein, but it was better than taking 150gr of whey, no doubt in my mind.

Kind of like when people add beef to their diet: there's a subtle increase in mass for many.


The notion that shaking the eggs will damage them is utter bull****. Whoever says that is a quack.

*don't run after drinking your egg whites, you'll damage the proteins!!11!1!*
 
Rogue Drone said:
So if one eats a dozen eggs a day for 20 years, what are the chances of getting da bug at some point? ~84%(~6/7) at 1:50,000 each.
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It's not some leathal disease like th ebola virus or whatnot.

take a couple TBS of the pink stuff, and keep on going
 
thesinner said:
It's not some leathal disease like th ebola virus or whatnot.

take a couple TBS of the pink stuff, and keep on going
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It could happen that way, or it could almost kill you like it did too me. It ain't pretty.
 
Poison, it sounds very possible that you had a different kind of food poisoning. From everything I've read, it's usually only serious in the very young, very old, or in people with very poor immune systems. Most people do not even seek medical treatment. Of course, you may have also been in the 1% that has complications.

Most of us have had salmonella poisoning before, especially when we were children. I was taught in like 6th grade health class that the vast majority of "stomach flu" cases is actually salmonella.

The Illinois Department of Health said:
According to U.S. Department of Agriculture estimates, nearly 40 percent of the American poultry supply, 12 percent of the pork and 5 percent of the beef are contaminated with salmonella...

A person may contract salmonellosis many times in his or her life and not always recognize it. Often it is mistaken for the "stomach flu." Symptoms, which last from 24 hours to 12 days, include headache, muscle aches, diarrhea, vomiting, rumblings in the bowels, chills, fever, nausea and dehydration. They usually appear six to 72 hours after ingestion, but carriers have no symptoms. Children younger than 1 year old, people who have had ulcer surgery or take antacids and those whose immune systems have been weakened by other ailments are most susceptible.

Salmonellosis is seldom fatal (the fatality rate is less than 1 percent).
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i do 16 a day sometimes......hold your breath and its nothing...your gonna have a good time, take baby sipps and feel every individual egg slide down your throat in a bog chunk.... your gonna have a bad time.
 
well it was wednesday i decided to take the plunge.put one raw egg into my protein shake with protein powder and some vanilla soymilk and honey.tasted good.shook it up so good consistency,couldnt tell there was a raw egg in it but i KNEW it was there lol.physically it was fine,but mentally i was feelin a little bit weird at times hehehe.i did same thing in another shake later that night.upped it a bit the next day..and now i am up to 6 total per day via 2 raw eggs in protein shakes 3 times a day.i really enjoy it!i see eggs as some really good energy and food.i mean how much better can u get than eggs in this state?sort of concentrated life imo.
and i will say this.when i ingested cooked eggs i would tend to get bloated/gassy and feel naseaus sometimes.bad on digestion.have sulphoury smelling gas and stools.with raw eggs.NONE of those symptoms.digests perfectly fine,no bad smells no gas..nuttin!huge difference.im in love!
will contineu to work up till i hit a dozen a day and then who knows mayb 1.5-2 per day.seems like a great healthy way to get extra cals and protein and good lecithin,etc
i could NEVER eat this many cooked eggs i would throw up.hell i can drink more raw eggs in one sitting than i could eat cooked all day!glad the salm. myth was dispelled.ive been washin all eggs in hot soapy anti bac water before using them.and im spending the extra for the organic free range omega enhanced eggs.deeeeeeeeeeeeeelicious!
 
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