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RA's LMG/BOLD/Halo/M14ADD/Winz run from hell!

the methylation of any base compound results in different effects in the body. so m14add will have different effect than BOLD. bottomline. and bioavailabilty has no meaning in this change.
 
aspire210 said:
I'm slightly confused as to why you posted that study. I'm assuming that this is because you think it breaks down into this. I doubt this because the 17a methyl still has to be cleaved for this to occur. 3HSD is the enzyme that converts this ph to an active substance, which is why I used 4ad as a example, since this is how 4ad converts to testosterone. Also, dbol does have a slight ant-e effect, however its metabolite of 17aa-estradiol overcomes this affect due to its potency as an estrogen. Many people have tried m1,4add and many brands have been sold, your is the exception, not the rule. I doubt all of them got it wrong, to me it just seems more likely that there is something else in yours. Not trying to attack you, but when you are the one that was different out of so many others, it might be you and not them. Either yours is contaminated, or everyone else's is/was. Sorry it just seems more likely that the former is true and not the latter.
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No, actually I posted the citation b/c it presents a very digestible description regarding the enzymatic reduction processes.

There is something else in it - 20 mg of halo. Per the label - 35 mg of M1,4-ADD & 20 mg of halo.

I have the GC on several of our batch runs so I know there is no contamination. As a tenured faculty member at one of the nation's largest research institutions, I have the privilege to access such resources.

Hey, I know you are not attacking me. I enjoy the discourse :duel: and I hope others do as well. Personally, I feel this type of knowledge-sharing only serves the community as a whole. I was somewhat put off by the "pedder" comment though :mad:

I have to appoligize to RA for hi-jacking yet another thread. That was not my intention.

I'll now return this log to its rightful owner.
 
I was unaware of the halo, which is known to increase vascularity pretty well. My point is that the overwhelming about of logs and feedback on m14add points out that it is in fact a wet compound, which is something that boldeneone is not. I still think that 3HSD converts m1,4add into dianabol, feedback has shown this. But, yes we should leave this log alone, neither of us is going to change the others mind, but I do encourage you to try 100mg of m14add alone and see the results. It shares far more properties of dianabol then it does boldenone.
 
Alright guys... tonights workout made up for yesterdays weak performance. My hands hurt, my ego's hurt, my ab-workout should be calling any minute now... so hopefully I can 'hurt' just a bit more before I go to sleep... lol!
 
Alright fellas, just to let everybody here know, dosage will be decreased by one cap of EQ-T2/day due to an unexpectedly MASSIVE nose bleed ;) ......
 
Well had a pretty good leg workout tonight, with the exception of the dead weight pretending to workout on everything I was trying to use....... lol but anyways, I made the conclusion tonight that this stack is very well rounded, I am not excelling in one particular thing, the strength, mass, vascularity, endurance and recovery are all great, I'm thrilled. I am having problems keeping my diet so high, financially anyways, lol my muslces are LOVING the increase in cals though, so it's a winner.
 
RisingAgainst said:
Alright fellas, just to let everybody here know, dosage will be decreased by one cap of EQ-T2/day due to an unexpectedly MASSIVE nose bleed ;) ......
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whats eq-t2? im confused. what exactly are you taking now and what doses?

u should probably check your bp more often as well.
 
pistonpump said:
whats eq-t2? im confused. what exactly are you taking now and what doses?

u should probably check your bp more often as well.
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EQ-T2 is a the halo/methylboldenone combo 20mghalo/35mg Mbold.
I was at 4 caps/day, dropped to three.

I check my blood pressure 3 times a day, average bp has been 125-130/75-80 so although slightly elevated I'm fine. I believe the nose bleed was due to the arid and dry heat of the desert I live in, BUT I am dropping the dose on my EQ-T2 as a precautionary type deal.
 
good thinking. just tune in everything else a bit more. once you build a natural tolerance then up it again imo. EQ-T2 wow i should run a search. pm me lol
 
Well, second chest day of the week, wayyy better than the first but still feel short of expectations... no biggie. I'm loving the workouts a lot though, so something is going good ;)
 
Meh... I'm getting massive, problem is, my belly is starting to grow along with my muscles... sooo! it's diet check time! I will be altering things up a bit for the next few days to try and stop this flow of blubberliscious goodness from ending up on my junk... LOL!
 
RisingAgainst said:
Meh... I'm getting massive, problem is, my belly is starting to grow along with my muscles... sooo! it's diet check time! I will be altering things up a bit for the next few days to try and stop this flow of blubberliscious goodness from ending up on my junk... LOL!
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it happens on the bold, watch it. lol the hunger will overpower the gains, but its not all bad, just remember clean eating, and youll be set. hell, ive been UNDER eating at 7000 cals, and im developing an 8pack! I love this ish!
 
RA you were saying BOLD all along. then its EQT2 when did this change occur or have you been only runnin the eqt2 this whole time??? bit of a dif seeing as one is meth 1,4ADD WITH halo and the other is 14ad, just trying to clarify things.
 
poopypants said:
RA you were saying BOLD all along. then its EQT2 when did this change occur or have you been only runnin the eqt2 this whole time??? bit of a dif seeing as one is meth 1,4ADD WITH halo and the other is 14ad, just trying to clarify things.
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Been running both. The m14add = methylboldenone, not the dbol precursor type. I have been running BOLD/MethylBOLD/Halo since week 2.
 
so thats BOLD and EQT2 right? not 3 seperate things (although one has 2 compounds) ok.

so whats benifit in runnin the methyl1,4ADD and dosing the unmethylated version at the same time? or wait bold is 1,4AD.

so what are the differences between the dione and diol versions again? is one the bold and the other the dbol? or is one just more liekly to aromatize?
 
poopypants said:
so thats BOLD and EQT2 right? not 3 seperate things (although one has 2 compounds) ok.

so whats benifit in runnin the methyl1,4ADD and dosing the unmethylated version at the same time? or wait bold is 1,4AD.

so what are the differences between the dione and diol versions again? is one the bold and the other the dbol? or is one just more liekly to aromatize?
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Actually, I am awed at running the methylated AND non methylated version (it allows a higher dose) Both are the same basic thing, one just being methylated, neither seem to aromatize much, I have no wet gains, no e-related sides, and no more morning sickness crap. The dione version of the 1,4ad is more orally biovaiable, but expensive to run at a gram/day, so 600mgs + the methylated compound at 105-140mgs/day seems to be the trick on this one. Muscle hardness improves every morning that I wake up though. I've gained a minimum of 10 pounds so far, with (an estimation) maybe 2 pounds of belly fat. So I would say 2-3lbs/week. Halo in my eyes, doesn't do jack til around the 2-3 week mark. New veins are coming in, strength is slowly climbing, and size is WAY improved.
 
105-140mg? oh wow so your dosing 60mg-80mg of halo???? you are tryin to kill yourself :D j/p

your a brave soul though id figure youd be gettin some nasty sides at that dose, ill def be watchin. although sounds solid on the m14add/14add stack sounds like a good idea to get more boldenone with less toxicity for sure.
 
poopypants said:
105-140mg? oh wow so your dosing 60mg-80mg of halo???? you are tryin to kill yourself :D j/p

your a brave soul though id figure youd be gettin some nasty sides at that dose, ill def be watchin. although sounds solid on the m14add/14add stack sounds like a good idea to get more boldenone with less toxicity for sure.
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Thanks man. I actually WISH I had some sides aside from a greasy back so I could tell it's doing it's job... lol I have yet to have any elevation in Blood pressure, any abnormal or detrimental side effects, or pretty much anything except for maybe a slight rounding over of the stomach...
 
Insanely rough back workout... I feel like I was just hit with soap in socks all over my chest/back... weights were up a bit, had a lot of energy, worked out with a new workout partner who just happened to be a monster... barely typing.. lol ready for bed, awesome day!
 
Loving my new split... basically same story as last night, I finally understand that whole, workout til you puke concept, and I'm totally annihilated tonight. Thank GOD for Excell and weight gainers though ;)
 
Amazing gains so far, this is the halfway points update:

Beginning Stats:

Neck - 19" - lean

Chest – 46 ½” - lean

R. Bicep - 16" - lean

L Bicep – 15 ¾” - lean

Both Quads – 23 ½” -lean

Waist - 35" - partially fat

Both Calves - 16" - lean



Current Stats:

Neck – 20” - actually lean

Chest – 47 ¼” - partially fat

R. Bicep – 16 ¾” - lean

L. Bicep – 16 ¼” - lean

Both Quads – 25 ½” - partially fat

Waist – 37” - all fat

Both Calves – 17” - lean



I'm not to pleased with the fat additions... I am at 16.7% body fat, (started at 14.5%) which is like around 5 pounds or so of fat, it's kinda obvious as well. Hopefully I can clear this up soon ;) Overall, size/strength have been good to me, unfortunate that it came with the damn fat though. Anyways, just thought I would update a bit.
 
RisingAgainst said:
Meh... I'm getting massive, problem is, my belly is starting to grow along with my muscles... sooo! it's diet check time! I will be altering things up a bit for the next few days to try and stop this flow of blubberliscious goodness from ending up on my junk... LOL!
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Sounds like bloat to me...
 
aspire210 said:
Sounds like bloat to me...
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Agreed man, wayy to much of it at that.. I am fluctuating water weight for some reason... hard to tell why, but it comes and goes as it pleases. Current weight at it's low point is 220 flat.. which is 16 pounds... so some of that HAS to be some water.
 
I've had bloat that makes me look as if I'm pregnant with abs, no joke. In fact I have a slight case of it right now.
 
Ubiquitous said:
I've had bloat that makes me look as if I'm pregnant with abs, no joke. In fact I have a slight case of it right now.
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Well man, this one makes me look fat, thats it, just really nasty and fat.. lol! It comes and goes though, so some days I'm sporting a loose shirt, some days I'm sportin the little boys medium (LOL JK had to say it though)...
 
RisingAgainst said:
Agreed man, wayy to much of it at that.. I am fluctuating water weight for some reason... hard to tell why, but it comes and goes as it pleases. Current weight at it's low point is 220 flat.. which is 16 pounds... so some of that HAS to be some water.
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what week is this? 16 pounds is pretty good, i think its still early huh?
 
RA, Im going to agree that youre bloating. I wouldnt stop the rock, I would just continue to let it happen and not change anything, you can always cut down later.
 
by halo do you mean halodrol???? and is BOLD,the 1,4 ad (unmethylated version)
 
TripDog said:
by halo do you mean halodrol???? and is BOLD,the 1,4 ad (unmethylated version)
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Yes, a Halodrol clone, and unmethylated 1,4ad as well as methylated 1,4ad (not the dbol precursor type).

I am in week 3, Monday marks the begining of week 4. I am dying for this to be over with, summer is here and I am constantly in need of having no shirt on, so this sucks!! LOL jk, but it would be nice to lean down a bit... ANYways, say 25 days = 16-17 pounds -5 pounds for fat, so 11-12 pounds in 3ish weeks aint that bad at all!
 
RisingAgainst said:
Yes, a Halodrol clone, and unmethylated 1,4ad as well as methylated 1,4ad (not the dbol precursor type).

I am in week 3, Monday marks the begining of week 4. I am dying for this to be over with, summer is here and I am constantly in need of having no shirt on, so this sucks!! LOL jk, but it would be nice to lean down a bit... ANYways, say 25 days = 16-17 pounds -5 pounds for fat, so 11-12 pounds in 3ish weeks aint that bad at all!
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i thought the methyl 1,4 ad is the dbol precursor??? i'm a bit confused...what brand of the methyl are you taking,and what is considered the dbol precursor...
 
TripDog said:
i thought the methyl 1,4 ad is the dbol precursor??? i'm a bit confused...what brand of the methyl are you taking,and what is considered the dbol precursor...
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M1,4-AD is a dbol precursor and is a "dione." It was released several years ago by a number of different companies

M1,4-ADD is a "diol" configured precursor to boldenone and exhibits properties that are more akin to EQ.

Genreally, diones are a little wetter than diols b/c **most** cannot convert directly to estrogen through reduction.

This is really splitting hairs though b/c they both share the same parent compound and target hormone.

He is running a a product named (EQ-T)2 - 35 mgs of M1,4-ADD & 20 mg halo clone per cap.
 
thanks doc,one more question...is 1,4 ad bold (I force nutrition)methylated..it says 100mg per cap
 
Good stuff RA. I am looking forward to running my EQ-T2 also, this stuff looks REALLY nice. Dr. C knows his **** for sure.


Still following man, keep it up.
 
WOOOOOO! Did some blood cooling with my legs and shoulders today... HOLY CRAP!!! I had a blast of energy and endurance from somewhere... I was draggin ass all day, but when I hit the gym, I had exactly one hour to do legs and shoulders... so I supersetted box squats/extensions/curls for 5 sets, then supersetted arnolds/hammer str. shoulder machines then did some dumbell work, then finished strong on the shrugs... I have to say, tonight was SWEEET! I'm about to eat a thousand calories.. will be back soon!
EDIT: as a side note, this is the second leg/shoulder day, so it was focused more on reps on the major exercises for me today.
 
Looks like I forgot to do some updating at this site, but oh well huh. Anyways, weight is sticking around ~218-222. I am leaner than when I started, so thats a plus. I think I have about a week left, and I'm glad, lol this stack burnt me out quite a bit, I'm definitely ready for my PCT.
 
Today concludes week 5. I regret to inform everybody that this stack will not have the last week of BOLD/Winztrol due to some wicked lethargy. I have a lot of posts on this over at DA, unfortunately forgot to update this one :(
This is a copy/paste from it:

Ok guys, sorry to diappoint, but I will NOT be finishing this stack out. I am seriously lethargic, and my workouts arent worth a damn lately. I am lethargic to the point of not moving from bed, not eating right, not working out hard, and not feeling like myself, so it's definitely time to stop the cycle and enjoy some PCT and a nice long break from hormonal supps! I'm also almost done with Incarnate, tomorrow is my first day of PCT and last day of Incarnate, I will post a whole spiel of things then! Thanks for following along fellas, it's been a fun ride.

Starting Weight - 204
Ending Weight... (I have no idea why lol) 214

For ending measurements, use the ones posted earlier on in this thread, they didn't change enough to make note.

Strength was increased enough for me to smile about the run. Vascularity was the big ticket on this stack, I have veins that I never noticed prior to this stack, so I'm stoked about that.

So, in all honesty, I'm very pleased with 10 pounds, ESPECIALLY since it's Lean weight. I also lost a bit of body fat, not sure how much yet, but I will find out for you guys. PCT will be a new thread for me, I don't much wanna drag this one out to much, once again, thanks for following along fellas.

I had a 'peak weight' of 224, which is 20 pounds, I believe the leaning out to be from the lethargy and not eating my usual 5thousand cals. Diet suffered a bit this last week, probably ate more along the lines of maintenence or just above. Anyways, I'm very pleased with my run with EQ-T2, such an awesome product, I just wish I had enough to run it another week :( (lol jk fellas)
 
ummm im sorry but was 10 lbs worth the amount of supps you took this cycle and dont you think you could have accomplished this with one or 2 of these 5 (actually with 6 right?) compounds???? i very well know i could have (EQT2 would be enough)....sorry not trying to bash but i think you need to do some major reworking of your priorities (namely diet, maybe lifting routine) before running another cycle bro.... at least learn more isnt always well... more.
 
poopypants said:
ummm im sorry but was 10 lbs worth the amount of supps you took this cycle and dont you think you could have accomplished this with one or 2 of these 5 (actually with 6 right?) compounds???? i very well know i could have (EQT2 would be enough)....sorry not trying to bash but i think you need to do some major reworking of your priorities (namely diet, maybe lifting routine) before running another cycle bro.... at least learn more isnt always well... more.
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You missed a lot that wasn't posted on this log, but the diet is what I altered and why I didn't stay where I was at the halfway point (224 which is +20 pounds), I cut 10 pounds or so (maybe more?) of body fat during the second half of this cycle, so it's not like I only gained ten pounds.
EDIT: My bad for not keeping this log updated as much as the others. I didn't make note of the changes I made to well here.
 
I'm gonna have to agree with my buddy crap-pants,something really doesn't make much sence with this log......if you wanted to cut,that's diet and cardio!!!! why do it with the addition of 100 supplements to just tax your body....a good fat burner is all you need there...I'm running a JUST halodrol(first batch)up 4 1/2 pounds in 5 days!!! more is not always better.......good luck with your future cycles bro........


Trip-dingie
 
TripDog said:
I'm gonna have to agree with my buddy crap-pants,something really doesn't make much sence with this log......if you wanted to cut,that's diet and cardio!!!! why do it with the addition of 100 supplements to just tax your body....a good fat burner is all you need there...I'm running a JUST halodrol(first batch)up 4 1/2 pounds in 5 days!!! more is not always better.......good luck with your future cycles bro........


Trip-dingie
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... I started this as a bulk, it just happened to be dry enough for me to tweak my diet (and EFF cardio only people who need cardio should do it) and drop off some excess body fat I had 'lying around'. Case in point here: I know what I'm doing, I know how to diet, I got what I wanted out of this cycle, It's not like I mixed classes expecting to watch myself do nothing?
 
again im not trying to bash... but i noticed you making comments of lathargy and some bloat and belly enlargement throughout this log... dont you think an good amount of the "fat" you lost was water? i really dont think you made 20 lbs of only muscle gains firswt and then lost 10 lbs while maintaining all that mass in just one week... pretty much impossible.... my point wasnt to demean your diet anyhow but your over usage of so many compounds at once... maybe across an 8 week cycle could this many be used... but otherwise id stick to 1 or 2 a cycle, anything more is a waste and usually redundant, in fact sometimes too many supps may effect the efficacy of others by the ways they work and the extra stress on you liver makes it hard to metabolize any of it correctly and get the most of any of them.... so my question is still unanswered dont you think you could have done the same with less supps? just asking.
 
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