Questions about Designer Steroids?

[Mess]

That looks good Mess. If you have never ran Test before 500mgs EW is a good starting ground. Forgive me of my ignorance of DS but what is Dienedron and yes you also have the PCT timing right. Are you going to run Nolva or Clomid or both. I have also talked to a few people who said that Proviron helps a lot during PCT as well. Good luck and let us know and keep us updated.

Proviron is really nice with one thing ihate, growing hair on my back, as you know that we are alike in our quest to know and understand DS, i found out the dienedrone is the best DS to start with due to its anabolic char. and with no to minimum sides and people who tried it gained 12Lbs in 4 weeks,
As described in other threads it is "Dienedrone’s main active ingredient is Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione, unique and powerful, non-methylated compound that has helped push the oral hormone market to new heights. Dienedrone resembles the illegal drug “trenbolone” in structure and function, missing only the 11 double bond.

Dienedrone is non-methylated so it is easier on the liver and it works directly on the receptor sites with high affinity, so a conversion to another “active” compound is not necessary for results. And with less conversion comes less chance of conversion to non-desirable estrogen. It also important to note, that Dienedrone cannot convert to DHT due to being 5-alpha reduced.

Dienedrone is used for size and strength, with rapid pumps and weight gain being the most noticeable immediate results. Workouts take on new meaning and deliver more positive feedback pushing your physique beyond previous limitation. And like other compounds of this nature, Dienedrone was created to impart maximal visible changes in size and strength in the shortest period of time possible. Again, these are very dry and solid changes because the compound does not aromatize into any type of estrogen.

There are many other tren-like prohormones available but the active ingredient estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione is unique in that growth of muscle mass is the result rather than a lean, cutting look that is associated with other tren products out there.
Check Below link for a Dienedron cycle final result

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Cheers
Mess

 

[mj34]

Proviron is really nice with one thing ihate, growing hair on my back, as you know that we are alike in our quest to know and understand DS, i found out the dienedrone is the best DS to start with due to its anabolic char. and with no to minimum sides and people who tried it gained 12Lbs in 4 weeks,
As described in other threads it is "Dienedrone’s main active ingredient is Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione, unique and powerful, non-methylated compound that has helped push the oral hormone market to new heights. Dienedrone resembles the illegal drug “trenbolone” in structure and function, missing only the 11 double bond.

Dienedrone is non-methylated so it is easier on the liver and it works directly on the receptor sites with high affinity, so a conversion to another “active” compound is not necessary for results. And with less conversion comes less chance of conversion to non-desirable estrogen. It also important to note, that Dienedrone cannot convert to DHT due to being 5-alpha reduced.

Dienedrone is used for size and strength, with rapid pumps and weight gain being the most noticeable immediate results. Workouts take on new meaning and deliver more positive feedback pushing your physique beyond previous limitation. And like other compounds of this nature, Dienedrone was created to impart maximal visible changes in size and strength in the shortest period of time possible. Again, these are very dry and solid changes because the compound does not aromatize into any type of estrogen.

There are many other tren-like prohormones available but the active ingredient estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione is unique in that growth of muscle mass is the result rather than a lean, cutting look that is associated with other tren products out there.
Check Below link for a Dienedron cycle final result

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Cheers
Mess

Hey Mess,
Dienedron looks pretty good I looked into it myself and read about it. It seems like a prosteroid of Tren which prodices lean mass gains even under calorie restricted diets so I may try this and Havoc during my TRT phase.

 

[Mess]

Good luck

Hey Mess,
Dienedron looks pretty good I looked into it myself and read about it. It seems like a prosteroid of Tren which prodices lean mass gains even under calorie restricted diets so I may try this and Havoc during my TRT phase.

IMO, its the most interesting DS.
Good luck buddy, keep us updated :thumbsup:

 

[mj34]

IMO, its the most interesting DS.
Good luck buddy, keep us updated :thumbsup:

In conjunction with Test of course, it may be good to run the Tren or Dienodrone I mean with H-drol for the first 6 weeks.
I found this on out law it is really interesting regarding DS.

Prohormone "Traits"

The difference between "wet" and "dry" steroids/phs is water retention. Water retention is caused by estrogen through aromatase.

Wikipedia: Aromatase is an enzyme of the cytochrome P450 superfamily (EC 1.14.14.1), whose function is to aromatize androgens (that is, to selectively increase their aromaticity), producing estrogens. As such, it is an important factor in sexual development.

Effectively: Aromatase is when excess testosterone converts to estrogen.

WET:
M1,4ADD
Phera
M1T (and subsequent legal variants/clones)
*Superdrol

DRY:
Bold
Epithios
Tren
*Superdrol
Halodrol
Winztrol
Furazadrol
Prop

STRENGTH:
Tren
Superdrol
M1T(and legal clones)
Phera
M14ADD

On the strength category there are probably more, but from what I hear those are the biggies.

Prohormone Classification

Steroids are classified under 2 categories. Class I has a strong binding to the androgen receptor. Class II does not bind to the androgen receptors, rather it works through other means in the body.

Simply put:
Class I = binds to androgen receptor
Class II = does not.

These prohormones classifications are based on thier steroid counterparts. If there are any revisions needed PLEASE message me.
Class I
Boldenone based phs - 1,4AD & Bold
Progestin based phs - (similar to trenbolone) - Trenadrol & Trenaplex
Dienolone based phs - (again similar to tren) - Mdien
Mepitiostane (Thioderon) based phs - Epithio & Clones (Havoc/Epistane/so on so forth)
Desoxymethyltestosterone/DMT (Madol) based phs - pheraplex & clones
Testosterone
DHT (Dihydrotestosterone) based phs - M5AA

Class II
Masteron (Dromostanolone) based phs - Superdrol & Clones
Oral Turinabol (Dehydrochlormethyltestosterone) based phs - Halodrol & Clones
Dianabol (methandrostenolone) based phs - M1,4ADD, M1T, 1-T, Methyl XT
Winstrol (stanozolol) based phs - Winztrol, Orastan-A, Furaguno, etc
Furazabol (miotolan) based phs - Furazadrol etc
Progesterone based phs - Revolt, Propadrol, Max LMG
Clostebol based phs - Chlorodrol, Oxyguno
4-AD

Not Prohormones...
AMS's products - test boosters
Testabolan is not a prohormone, it is an ecdysterone, tribulus, oglio peptide product.
Superdrol NG - Prasterone = DHEA, Methyl Xanthine = Caffine, Aprodine HCL = Pseudoephedrine Hydrochloride, ATD - test booster/aromatase inhibitor

I would like to add that Eyayo showed me that Mass Tabs is a prosteroid - 2a, 17a-dimethyl 17b-hydroxy 5a-androstan-1-ene-3-one
however since its close to about 3-4 steroids/other prohormone compounds out there, I cant classify it. I would guess its a class 2 though.

If you plan on stacking two prohormones at the same time, the best combinations are class I mixed with a class II. For example SD/Bold, Halo/Tren, M1T/Prop, and so on..

Here's why, effectively when you take a class 1/class 1 stack, you're theoretically limiting your body's ability to suck up the little steroid molecules you're pumping into it. Think of it like a burger joint parking lot at lunchtime. There are no parking spots available, and you're stuck lying in wait for a spot to open up.

However, with a class 1/class 2 combination while one pro hormone floats around binding to the androgen receptor, the other little guy is busy attaching itself to other parts of the body to encourage growth.

 

[mj34]

IMO, its the most interesting DS.
Good luck buddy, keep us updated :thumbsup:

Hey Mess,
Since you plan on running the Dienodrone this little part of that article may be of importance to It states that, "if you plan on stacking two prohormones at the same time, the best combinations are class I mixed with a class II. For example SD/Bold, Halo/Tren, M1T/Prop, and so on.."

 

[pistonpump]

ive read alot on using class I with class II for cycles. I have always looked for what class designers were in so very good find. I hope that it is accurate....where did you get that from?

its funny because alot of the "wet" designers actually do not conver to estrogen via aromatase (on paper) but somehow they seem to show otherwise.... :think:

 

[mj34]

ive read alot on using class I with class II for cycles. I have always looked for what class designers were in so very good find. I hope that it is accurate....where did you get that from?

its funny because alot of the "wet" designers actually do not conver to estrogen via aromatase (on paper) but somehow they seem to show otherwise.... :think:

I got it off of Outlaw that someone posted and this is where they got it from:

"Got this from a post by Voodoo on the DiscountAnabolics forum: http://www.discountanabolics.com/for...ead.php?t=7766"

Yeah, things on paper dont always play out like they do in reality so who actually knows the accuracy. I know I do like to stack Class 1&2 AAS.

 

[horizons]

In conjunction with Test of course, it may be good to run the Tren or Dienodrone I mean with H-drol for the first 6 weeks.
I found this on out law it is really interesting regarding DS.

Prohormone "Traits"

The difference between "wet" and "dry" steroids/phs is water retention. Water retention is caused by estrogen through aromatase.

Wikipedia: Aromatase is an enzyme of the cytochrome P450 superfamily (EC 1.14.14.1), whose function is to aromatize androgens (that is, to selectively increase their aromaticity), producing estrogens. As such, it is an important factor in sexual development.

Effectively: Aromatase is when excess testosterone converts to estrogen.

WET:
M1,4ADD
Phera
M1T (and subsequent legal variants/clones)
*Superdrol

DRY:
Bold
Epithios
Tren
*Superdrol
Halodrol
Winztrol
Furazadrol
Prop

STRENGTH:
Tren
Superdrol
M1T(and legal clones)
Phera
M14ADD

On the strength category there are probably more, but from what I hear those are the biggies.

Prohormone Classification

Steroids are classified under 2 categories. Class I has a strong binding to the androgen receptor. Class II does not bind to the androgen receptors, rather it works through other means in the body.

Simply put:
Class I = binds to androgen receptor
Class II = does not.

These prohormones classifications are based on thier steroid counterparts. If there are any revisions needed PLEASE message me.
Class I
Boldenone based phs - 1,4AD & Bold
Progestin based phs - (similar to trenbolone) - Trenadrol & Trenaplex
Dienolone based phs - (again similar to tren) - Mdien
Mepitiostane (Thioderon) based phs - Epithio & Clones (Havoc/Epistane/so on so forth)
Desoxymethyltestosterone/DMT (Madol) based phs - pheraplex & clones
Testosterone
DHT (Dihydrotestosterone) based phs - M5AA

Class II
Masteron (Dromostanolone) based phs - Superdrol & Clones
Oral Turinabol (Dehydrochlormethyltestosterone) based phs - Halodrol & Clones
Dianabol (methandrostenolone) based phs - M1,4ADD, M1T, 1-T, Methyl XT
Winstrol (stanozolol) based phs - Winztrol, Orastan-A, Furaguno, etc
Furazabol (miotolan) based phs - Furazadrol etc
Progesterone based phs - Revolt, Propadrol, Max LMG
Clostebol based phs - Chlorodrol, Oxyguno
4-AD

Not Prohormones...
AMS's products - test boosters
Testabolan is not a prohormone, it is an ecdysterone, tribulus, oglio peptide product.
Superdrol NG - Prasterone = DHEA, Methyl Xanthine = Caffine, Aprodine HCL = Pseudoephedrine Hydrochloride, ATD - test booster/aromatase inhibitor

I would like to add that Eyayo showed me that Mass Tabs is a prosteroid - 2a, 17a-dimethyl 17b-hydroxy 5a-androstan-1-ene-3-one
however since its close to about 3-4 steroids/other prohormone compounds out there, I cant classify it. I would guess its a class 2 though.

If you plan on stacking two prohormones at the same time, the best combinations are class I mixed with a class II. For example SD/Bold, Halo/Tren, M1T/Prop, and so on..

Here's why, effectively when you take a class 1/class 1 stack, you're theoretically limiting your body's ability to suck up the little steroid molecules you're pumping into it. Think of it like a burger joint parking lot at lunchtime. There are no parking spots available, and you're stuck lying in wait for a spot to open up.

However, with a class 1/class 2 combination while one pro hormone floats around binding to the androgen receptor, the other little guy is busy attaching itself to other parts of the body to encourage growth.

AMS products are not a prohormones??? i thought they were atelast 1-andro's

 

[Mess]

Hey Mess,
Since you plan on running the Dienodrone this little part of that article may be of importance to It states that, "if you plan on stacking two prohormones at the same time, the best combinations are class I mixed with a class II. For example SD/Bold, Halo/Tren, M1T/Prop, and so on.."

Very interesting, will def do that.
Thx MJ