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Question about Stacking Prohormones

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wake_me

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Hi everyone. This is my first post, however I've been lurking off and on for a bit. I'm 31 and have been weight training for about 10 years. I've recently began researching prohormones and have been considering running my first cycle. I've ordered a couple bottles of Havoc and Finiflex 1-andro along with cycle support and pct including a SERM.

I'm not sure what ph I plan to try for my first cycle, but I did have a question out of curiosity. I've read about people stacking prohormones. I'll probably just run one or the other and save the other type for my next cycle, but if I did combine ph in the future is there an ideal way to stack? It seems people tend to start and end both ph at the same time.

Is there any disadvantage/advantage to starting one first for a week or two then introducing the next and having one end before the other? If so, are there certain types of ph that should begin first? or is it always ideal to begin and end both at the same time? Also, if you are stacking do you take smaller doses of each? Should one type of ph be dosed higher?

thanks so much
 
Lots of hormones can be run solo just fine. Usually stacking is done to offset sides. For example, SD and M1T produce huge gains but can wreck your joints and emotional state. An aromatizable like Trest or M14 can be stacked with it to offset these sides. More isn't always better, but in some cases stacking can make for a smoother cycle.
 
A lot of people stack compounds for quicker gains, or stagger stacks to lengthen the cycle. Also, stacking certain compounds have an excellent synergy.

EPI + Tren (iron flex trenstane)
M1a + mecha (LGI alpha m60)

You can add bases as will to lengthen your cycle and combat "lethargy" if you are not willing to use injectable test.

Stano (Ironflex stano)
Tr3st (Olympus labs)
Dermacrine (BPS)
4ad (Iron mag labs)
 
stann123 said:
I'd recommend you stick to a solo cycle. H drol or epi and see how you respond
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OK thanks. Probably best to see how I respond to individual compounds before stacking anyway. As far as PCT I've got some chlomid and otc pct/test boosters, but I'm wondering if I should also be getting nolvadex as I've seen some people use both. Is there an advantage to this or would just the chlomid along with otc pct be ok?

thanks
 
Ancalagon said:
Fair enough. Just noting I wouldn't consider it a "cycle". Needs to be, at the least, a pro-hormone to call it a cycle.
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To call it a steroid cycle maybe.

But a cycle is basically running something for x amount of time, then stopping for x amount of time.

So a sarm cycle is still a cycle. And shouldn't be taken lightly.
 
jbryand101b said:
To call it a steroid cycle maybe.

But a cycle is basically running something for x amount of time, then stopping for x amount of time.

So a sarm cycle is still a cycle. And shouldn't be taken lightly.
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Fair enough. I just think most people see the word cycle and think, well, a cycle....of steroids. Especially given the audience. They should not be confused into thinking a Ostarine is like ProMag or SD or something. It's not.
 
Ancalagon said:
Fair enough. I just think most people see the word cycle and think, well, a cycle....of steroids. Especially given the audience. They should not be confused into thinking a Ostarine is like ProMag or SD or something. It's not.
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Prob closer to pmag. Sd is a different beast.
 
Halo and 1-andro stack well together, but I'm not sure I would stack Epi and 1-andro for my first cycle. EPI can be havoc on people's joints (see what I did there? LOL) and it's better to get a feel for it solo than adding something on top of it and not being able to identify what sides are coming from which compound.

If I were going to stack for my first cycle and already had 1-andro in tow, I would stack a 4-ad/4-andro type product with it (or maybe stack a dermacrine type with Epi... or either for that matter).

Epi, even though considered a milder compound, is still no joke for a first cycle either so you should be happy with results from a solo run of it.
 
wake_me said:
Hi everyone. This is my first post, however I've been lurking off and on for a bit. I'm 31 and have been weight training for about 10 years. I've recently began researching prohormones and have been considering running my first cycle. I've ordered a couple bottles of Havoc and Finiflex 1-andro along with cycle support and pct including a SERM.

I'm not sure what ph I plan to try for my first cycle, but I did have a question out of curiosity. I've read about people stacking prohormones. I'll probably just run one or the other and save the other type for my next cycle, but if I did combine ph in the future is there an ideal way to stack? The "ideal" way to stack is to stack an non-methylated compound with a methylated compound, I know that's "elementary", but.... It really depends on the compounds. Some people bridge compounds into each other, while other cycles will be run simultaneously. What some will do is say, run a non-methylated compound for 8 weeks, but stack a harsher compound for the first 4 weeks. Other will end the cycle with the harsher compound so that they can hop into PCT right after the "rough ride"

Is there any disadvantage/advantage to starting one first for a week or two then introducing the next and having one end before the other? See answer above... there are advantages and disadvantages depending on compounds. Some compounds need to be run longer than 4 weeks while others you wouldn't want to run for longer than 4 weeks
If so, are there certain types of ph that should begin first? or is it always ideal to begin and end both at the same time? Also, if you are stacking do you take smaller doses of each? Should one type of ph be dosed higher? I'd say the only time you really need to start looking at/worrying about lowering the dosage lower than what you would run it at solo is when you stack methylated compounds together. In theory if you do a half dose of methyl compound A and a half dose of Methyl compound B, they would equal to the same liver toxicity as a "normal" dose of either (assuming one isn't way more harsh than the other, like comparing SD to Halo (where one would be a 5 out of 5 as far as toxicity goes and halo probably a 2-3 out of 5
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I rec running a test base with it. and pick maybe 1 or two pro-h to go with it. dont forget PCT and AI
 
Blergs said:
I rec running a test base with it. and pick maybe 1 or two pro-h to go with it. dont forget PCT and AI
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AI during cycle, post or both? I have an otc pct product that says it has an AI. Would this suffice for an AI product or would I need something else?
 
wake_me said:
AI during cycle, post or both? I have an otc pct product that says it has an AI. Would this suffice for an AI product or would I need something else?
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During cycle AI depends on if the compound aromatizes. But most of the ph's ppl are suggesting don't aromatize. So PCT would be the place to use an AI, IMO. And yes, a comprehensive PCT product may have an AI in it and could be enough for you. Personally, I like to start the AI dose high in PCT and taper off near the end.
 
It really depends on which compound you choose.

If it aromatizes then absolutely a low-moderate amount of AI on cycle, and even compounds that don't can have the chance of rebound gyno after the cycle.

For anyone running any cycle an AI should always be on hand. In the chance you do develop gyno symptoms you will want it.

Easiest one to get (OTC) that is effective

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But once you pick your compound we can better help you with what supports/PCT requirements you will have
 
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