question about cycle while on trt

123jrc123

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First off......let me say I hope I'm not asking to many questions at one time and thanks for taking the time to help me out.

I'm 45 years old, 5' 9" and weigh 189 lbs and my body fat is somewhere around 18 to 20%. I train with weights 6 days a week. Each session usually last 1.5 to 2 hours plus I do 20 min cardio before and after each session. I've been training for a little over a year.

I have been on trt for low t for a little over 2 years.

My current schedule is: 200 mgs t cyp ew / .25 mgs anastrozole e5d. This set up usually puts my tt around 1600 to 1800 (300 to 1100 range) and my free t around 1 to 1.5 (.7 to 1 range).

My question is what can I expect if I up my 200 mgs ew to 400 mgs ew and my anastrozole to .25 e3 or 4d? Would I gain to much fat since my bf is already around 18 to 20%? If so, at what bf% would you say a person needs to be at before doing this?

I plan on running 400mgs ew for 12 weeks. After the 12 weeks I would drop back to the 200mgs for atleast six months to a year before even thinking of it again.

Also, I don't see a need for a pct since I'm on trt in the first place.....is that correct?

Another thing is my diet: What macro breakdown of fats/carbs/protein would you suggest? How many total calories would be a good starting point for my weight and bf% to tweak thereafter as needed?

I'm sure there are tons of questions I should be asking but I don't want to over load you guys off the get-go.

BTW, I put this in the O35 section but only got one hit so I put it here to see if I would get more replies.

Thanks for any advice you can give.

JRC
 
1) you are overtraining.

2) If you were looking to bulk, I'd get cut down to at *least* 15% or lower first.

3) 40/40/20 is a classic bulking breakdown that works for most, with the minimum protien being 1.5g/lb of lean mass.
 
ManBeast said:
1) you are overtraining.

2) If you were looking to bulk, I'd get cut down to at *least* 15% or lower first.

3) 40/40/20 is a classic bulking breakdown that works for most, with the minimum protien being 1.5g/lb of lean mass.
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A friend of mine put me on this routine. He said it was called a HST program. I'm suppose to work every bodypart two to three times a week. I have not been on it that long (about a week). Before the HST I was training only 4 days ew hitting each group only once. I can go back to the 4 day with no problem....lol......my buddy is a skinny nerd (good guy though) so I'm not sure he knows what he is talking about.

As far as the diet.....lol......same friend put me on this as well.

I really don't want to bulk. I had rather cut fat and keep all or atleast most of my lbm or maybe even pick a little up along the way if possible.

Before this 40/40/20 ratio I was doing keto and went from 198 to 179 in less than a month. My macro breakdown on keto was 70%fat/25%protein/5%carbs. I had a carb-up e7d. My carb-up was 70%carbs/25%protein/5%fats and it lasted for 24 hours and then right back to high fat/low carb.

After I stopped keto I gained back to 191 in 7 days.

What would you do as far as macro breakdown, total cals (not very active other than training....retired).............and training?

BTW, I've read that t cyp is not a great compound to cut on but its all I got. Will upping the 200mg to 400mg ew be good for me while on a cut or should I wait till my bf is lower then do it.

I have plenty of cyp on hand. I got like 10 or 11 .....10ml vials at 200mg/ml.

Right now I'm injecting 200mg once a week by alternating r/quad.....l/quad.......r/glute......l/glute.....start over. I take 1/8 of a 1mg anastrozole pill e4d...........sometimes I will take it e3d depending on wood etc....

If and when I do 400mg ew how much anastrozole should I start with and how often?

Sorry for the long read and thanks for your help!!

JRC
 
HST should only have you in the gym 3 times a week for weights, at no more than 90 minutes for a training session:
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cardio can be done for a short blast after weights, and also on off days for longer periods.

Macros try for 60/20/20. Total cals, find a BMR calculator online (or three) and use that as a place to start.

Cyp is fine to cut on, you might have to adjust your anastozle dosing to combat higher estrogen. maybe
 
123jrc123 said:
Before this 40/40/20 ratio I was doing keto and went from 198 to 179 in less than a month. My macro breakdown on keto was 70%fat/25%protein/5%carbs. I had a carb-up e7d. My carb-up was 70%carbs/25%protein/5%fats and it lasted for 24 hours and then right back to high fat/low carb.

After I stopped keto I gained back to 191 in 7 days.

What would you do as far as macro breakdown, total cals (not very active other than training....retired).............and training?

BTW, I've read that t cyp is not a great compound to cut on but its all I got. Will upping the 200mg to 400mg ew be good for me while on a cut or should I wait till my bf is lower then do it.
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Ok, you understand that a significant amount of that 198-179 that you lost was glycogen storage, as well as water eright right? I'd guess that of that 19lbs, you lost something like 8 the first week, then maybe 3-4 the next and it went down from there.

The bigger question though was if it seemed to be working, why did you stop?

macro breakdown is sort of irrelevant. you need at most 1g/lb of protein, and something around at least 50g of healthy fats a day, and where the rest of your calories comes after that isn't that critical (so long as its not gummy bears + twinkies). Total calories is something you just have to work out over time, there is no easy answer.

And theres no reason test cyp is any better or worse than anything else on a cut, most of the bs about whats good on a cut is all broscience.
 
ManBeast said:
HST should only have you in the gym 3 times a week for weights, at no more than 90 minutes for a training session:

cardio can be done for a short blast after weights, and also on off days for longer periods.

Macros try for 60/20/20. Total cals, find a BMR calculator online (or three) and use that as a place to start.

Cyp is fine to cut on, you might have to adjust your anastozle dosing to combat higher estrogen. maybe
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Thanks for the link to "lots of programs". I will read through the HST routine as well as several others and see which one interest me.

The 60/20/20 macro breakdown is protein/fats/carbs?

I've used the bmr calculators and they usually put me around 1800 to 2000 cals.

Thanks for the advice!!

JRC
 
EasyEJL said:
Ok, you understand that a significant amount of that 198-179 that you lost was glycogen storage, as well as water eright right? I'd guess that of that 19lbs, you lost something like 8 the first week, then maybe 3-4 the next and it went down from there.

The bigger question though was if it seemed to be working, why did you stop?

macro breakdown is sort of irrelevant. you need at most 1g/lb of protein, and something around at least 50g of healthy fats a day, and where the rest of your calories comes after that isn't that critical (so long as its not gummy bears + twinkies). Total calories is something you just have to work out over time, there is no easy answer.

And theres no reason test cyp is any better or worse than anything else on a cut, most of the bs about whats good on a cut is all broscience.
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Yes you are correct. I lost around 10 lbs in the first week and then it slowed to 3 or 4 lbs each week there after.

The reason I stopped the keto was due to the brain fog and extreme lack of energy I had while on it. I had a very hard time functioning in daily life so I had to cut it short to say the least or ...lol....my wife may have killed me.

Thanks for your input on the macros. I'm gonna have to re-think my approach to this diet it seems and finds something I can stay with long enough to get my bf down to 15% or lower hopefully before I do my mini cycle to add some mass.

Thanks,

JRC
 
yes, we tend to list them in that order when talking about macros. the "articles" section has had a few interesting ones on dieting and fatloss lately as well (tab near the top of the window).
 
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