Question about Conqu3r label

De__eB

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Just something I noticed in a thread about preworkouts.

The sum of the ingredients on the label adds up to 100% of the scoop size (22 grams) and exactly 1/20th of the tub size (440g)

But obviously there is some flavoring and color ingredients included, just curious where this is coming from?

The way I see it, there's a couple of possibilities:

-The tub weight is actually more than 440g, the label was just never made to account for that. In this case a 22g scoop would be a few grams shy of a full serving. This would be kind of ideal. I'd sort of assume this to be the case and the label was just not well QA'd

-Less positively, the tub weight could actually be 440g, and so the ingredients would be overall shorted by some number of grams per tub. Not sure if you're manufacturing yourself and would have no idea who you're contracting to, but if they're filling to 440g/tub you're probably losing out on some amount of $ per unit due to that.
 
De__eB said:
Might be a pretty futile sub ;)
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Yeah, I guess I'm just a dreamer...I'm still not sure if I should just brush these types of things off as simple oversights or be terrified out of my mind considering the ramifications of simple mistakes when it comes to supplements.
 
todd muelheim said:
Yeah, I guess I'm just a dreamer...I'm still not sure if I should just brush these types of things off as simple oversights or be terrified out of my mind considering the ramifications of simple mistakes when it comes to supplements.
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No need to be terrified, nothing in the product is going to kill you at slightly above/below dose, but it's still a pretty big QA issue.

I'm kind of surprised nobody seems to have noticed it before, but maybe nobody but me actually reads labels scrutinously >_<
 
De__eB said:
No need to be terrified, nothing in the product is going to kill you at slightly above/below dose, but it's still a pretty big QA issue. I'm kind of surprised nobody seems to have noticed it before, but maybe nobody but me actually reads labels scrutinously >_<
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Yeah more along the lines of if a company screws up something simple, who knows what else they're screwing up. If I had better access to lc-ms I'd test everything myself before I took it lol. #paranoia
 
todd muelheim said:
Yeah more along the lines of if a company screws up something simple, who knows what else they're screwing up. If I had better access to lc-ms I'd test everything myself before I took it lol. #paranoia
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I'm shocked more professional athletes don't do that.

They're obviously aware of clearance times on any banned substances they are actively taking, but I'd still be testing everything I was taking for banned supplements if I had millions of dollars at stake based on failing a drug test
 
Hey man, thank you for "just saying", truly. We appreciate the catch. We have been in contact with our manufacturing contractor over the last few days getting this issue squared away.

As previously stated in various threads, Olympus Labs is absolutely dedicated to bringing out products with the consumer in mind. That being said, we take quality control very seriously, which is why instead of haphazardly responding to the issue you brought to our attention we looked into it first. Again, due to the fact that doing right by the consumer in every way possible is of absolute importance.

Being a new company on the market we are still working out some of the kinks. After investigation of the issue we did end up finding out that the label did not include the total weight but instead represents the amount of total actives per serving and the total weight of the actives included in the container. Therefore, there are 22.01 g of active ingredients in the profile per serving and 440.2 g of actives in the container. The inactive ingredients were not accounted for on the current label. The consumer and yourself can however rest assured that there is indeed the exact amount of actives per serving, which can be felt with one single use of the product and that the container does indeed provide this amount for the listed amount of servings. I'd also again like to thank you for catching this, so that we may rectify the situation and continue to provide top notch products for our consumer base.

Also, an additional bit of advice to the consumer (I know De__eb is already aware of this) be sure to shake your supplements prior to use to account for any settling that may occur between uses.

-V
 
In regards to specific flavoring coloring issues the only additional accounting for would be in the flavoring as we decided not to add any coloring etc
 
De__eB said:
Just something I noticed in a thread about preworkouts.

The sum of the ingredients on the label adds up to 100% of the scoop size (22 grams) and exactly 1/20th of the tub size (440g)

But obviously there is some flavoring and color ingredients included, just curious where this is coming from?

The way I see it, there's a couple of possibilities:

-The tub weight is actually more than 440g, the label was just never made to account for that. In this case a 22g scoop would be a few grams shy of a full serving. This would be kind of ideal. I'd sort of assume this to be the case and the label was just not well QA'd

-Less positively, the tub weight could actually be 440g, and so the ingredients would be overall shorted by some number of grams per tub. Not sure if you're manufacturing yourself and would have no idea who you're contracting to, but if they're filling to 440g/tub you're probably losing out on some amount of $ per unit due to that.
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To answer a few of your other questions...

You were correct in your thinking that actual tub weight does exceed the aforementioned 440g. The label indeed does have the incorrect info which we're taking care of thanks to your meticulous label reading ;)

It's not necessarily that the label was not well QA'D man as you know human error is human error. We work with one of the top manufacturing contractors in the business.

Here is part of the response which also addresses your scoop sizing question:

"I work with ******* and ***** in the production facility and have about 10 years experience with raw materials.

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Unfortunately, the entire volume vs weight issue is never an exact science.

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With every scoop, you will get a slightly different weight, which is based on multiple factors such as how long the container has been left undisturbed, letting the contents settle and condense, making the density greater.* Also, how forcefully you are scooping the material.*This one sounds silly, but depending on the blend, it can be condensed a considerable amount just by the pressure placed upon it by the action of scooping the powder.*

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To easily see this in action, take a container of product, gently shake it before opening and take out a nice, rounded scoop.* You're able to easily tap that scoop on a table top and soon that rounded scoop is a nice level scoop or even slightly underfilled.

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Furthermore, not all of our raw materials have specified particle sizes.* For instance, we always buy creatine monohydrate that has a 200 mesh size (larger number is a smaller size).* But for other materials, the mesh size may differ between 80 and 100 depending on the lot that we get in.* This of course also affects volume ever so slightly.

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I wish I had a better answer for you, but the fact is that we, nor any other production facility will the same exact weight amount in a given volume every single time.* Your product goes through multiple weight checks throughout the manufacturing process, and always requires two signatures for validation.* Please know that QC is vital to what we do not just to keep our customers happy and returning, but for compliance with applicable laws as well, and we take both very seriously.

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I hope this is somewhat helpful to you.* Please let me know if anything needs clarification."

I laughed at your post in the other thread "maybe I don't even scoop". Did you see the part where it specifically addresses scoop force? Lmao, apparently you indeed do not even scoop bro hahaha!
 
Oh AND to address how to shake the tub to account for settling with top on or off. You personally shake that mofo with the top off and provide pics.

*I myself nor OL advocate for supplement shaking with the top off. Nor will we provide De__eb with a tub to engage in his topless supplement shaking shenanigans
 
jaycuda said:
Once, I shook my protein without the cap on all the way. I felt violated.
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Yep same here and so did my buddy standing next to me...
 
Bro, at least it wasn't already added to milk. I shake mine before a drink on the way to work sometimes, I won't snap the lid all the way and that **** goes all over me! I get so pissed!
 
Oh no mine was mixed already got all over me my buddy, my ceiling and the wall. Also done the picked it up by the.lid thinking it was on right and the full cup drop s and splashes everywhere.
 
That isn't the weirdest part. It's the fact you get on your knees to do it...
 
I forgot to snap the lid once with my pwo in there and ever since I always shake it with my finger pressing on the lid and holding the side
 
Berserk85 said:
Remember the no Xplode **** days? One I almost didn't make it to the toilet at my gym Rofl.
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Hahahahaha! I think you're confused we weren't talking about the poo bro ; )
 
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