Question about clen

[AM07]

If someone can't lift weights for the next two weeks due to an injury but can still do cardio, and wants to lose some bodyfat in those two weeks, would it be okay for him to use clen in those two weeks to help with the fat loss? Diet is in check.

Or is it not a good idea? Will the clen cause too much muscle loss? He doesn't mind losing a pound or so of muscle, as long as the majority of weight coming off is fat. After the two weeks, he would most likely start a PP/TRN stack, so the clen would only be run for two weeks.

 

[AtomSmasher]

If you can a hold of it i'd use Albuterol and ketotifen fumarate for anti down regulation of beta receptors. Theres been a limited amount of studies claiming albuterol combats muscle waisting and burns fat, keep in mind the studies I read were testing on rats though.

 

[AM07]

Too late, the clen is already in hand.

So does anyone think it's okay to use it for two weeks while not lifting any weights?

 

[Tom 185]

never too late...just dont use it and wait til u get albuterol...

sure u can use it but the results wont be near their potential

 

[Jayhawkk]

I don't see an issue with using it for those two weeks. Just use the standard 20/40/60/80-80/60/40/20 protocol. There are other doses of course but i've found ramping up and down provided the least sides...Some start out higher and go higher that have previous Clen experience.

 

[AM07]

Is clen really as good as people claim it to be? Are there no OTC supps that are as good as clen in terms of fat-burning properties, assuming good diet?

 

[Tom 185]

Is clen really as good as people claim it to be? Are there no OTC supps that are as good as clen in terms of fat-burning properties, assuming good diet?

most people claim that they hate it...

ECA's are good

 

[AM07]

So I'm not really going to lose much muscle at all if I don't lift any weights for these two weeks while using clen, assuming adequate diet? I plan on taking in 250+ grams of protein per day.

 

[Tom 185]

So I'm not really going to lose much muscle at all if I don't lift any weights for these two weeks while using clen, assuming adequate diet? I plan on taking in 250+ grams of protein per day.

how much do you weigh?

i would take in 1g per pound at the absolute max without any anabolics or substances that upregulate protein synthesis...your body can only absorb so much, then the rest is stored as fat or used for energy (protein is obviously not optimal for energy usage)

 

[AM07]

how much do you weigh?

i would take in 1g per pound at the absolute max without any anabolics or substances that upregulate protein synthesis...your body can only absorb so much, then the rest is stored as fat or used for energy (protein is obviously not optimal for energy usage)

I'm 5'10", 190 pounds, about 15% bodyfat.

I'm trying to keep my CHO down (even though yesterday was a huge cheat day, went out for dinner and then had about 1/3 of a small Carvel ice cream cake afterwards at home, but it was my birthday!! ). So should I reduce my protein intake and increase my fatty acid intake?

Thanks.

 

[Tom 185]

I'm 5'10", 190 pounds, about 15% bodyfat.

I'm trying to keep my CHO down (even though yesterday was a huge cheat day, went out for dinner and then had about 1/3 of a small Carvel ice cream cake afterwards at home, but it was my birthday!! ). So should I reduce my protein intake and increase my fatty acid intake?

Thanks.

focus on balance and adequacy

50% carbs
30% protein
20% fat
(this can be slightly adjusted but i wouldn't move any more than 5%)

4 calories per gram of cho
4 calories per gram of protein
9 calories per gram of fat

carbs dont make you fat, they are the most important of the three for athletes...just make sure they are polysaccharides (complex carbs) unless pre or post-workout...then they should be monosaccharides (simple sugars)...nothing bothers me more than people that refuse to eat carbs because of the whole atkins kick...it is good to drop carbs low for a short period as a means of quick weight loss, but definitely not something that should be prolonged over the course of one's dieting

 

[AM07]

focus on balance and adequacy

50% carbs
30% protein
20% fat
(this can be slightly adjusted but i wouldn't move any more than 5%)

4 calories per gram of cho
4 calories per gram of protein
9 calories per gram of fat

carbs dont make you fat, they are the most important of the three for athletes...just make sure they are polysaccharides (complex carbs) unless pre or post-workout...then they should be monosaccharides (simple sugars)...nothing bothers me more than people that refuse to eat carbs because of the whole atkins kick...it is good to drop carbs low for a short period as a means of quick weight loss, but definitely not something that should be prolonged over the course of one's dieting

I know CHO are very good for you, I just received my degree in nutritional biochemistry . I was going to reduce my CHO intake to about 250 grams per day from the usual 350 or so. I always use low glycemic CHO, even PWO (my shake consists of whey and oats).

I was going to increase my protein intake due to the thermic effect of protein and how it uses more energy to digest it than fat and CHO.

I can't go under 200g of CHO, brown rice and oats are a huge part of my diet, so that's why I'm keeping it at 250-300g per day.

It just really sucks not being able to lift, which is why I'm still debating if I should start this clen stack tomorrow for a week or two, when I can start lifting again.

Tom, thanks for the information, I really appreciate it . If you have any more advice, please feel free to share!

 

[Tom 185]

I know CHO are very good for you, I just received my degree in nutritional biochemistry . I was going to reduce my CHO intake to about 250 grams per day from the usual 350 or so. I always use low glycemic CHO, even PWO (my shake consists of whey and oats).

I was going to increase my protein intake due to the thermic effect of protein and how it uses more energy to digest it than fat and CHO.

I can't go under 200g of CHO, brown rice and oats are a huge part of my diet, so that's why I'm keeping it at 250-300g per day.

It just really sucks not being able to lift, which is why I'm still debating if I should start this clen stack tomorrow for a week or two, when I can start lifting again.

Tom, thanks for the information, I really appreciate it . If you have any more advice, please feel free to share!

i would consider switching to high glycemic carbs post-workout...they replenish glycogen at the fastest rate, which is your goal in a post-workout shake.

i dont really understand your theory on protein creating a thermic effect..could you go into more detail?

 

[AM07]

i would consider switching to high glycemic carbs post-workout...they replenish glycogen at the fastest rate, which is your goal in a post-workout shake.

i dont really understand your theory on protein creating a thermic effect..could you go into more detail?

Hey, I used to use high-GI carbs PWO, but decided that I just didn't want to use so much sugar in one sitting. I don't mind if my glycogen isn't replenished as quickly with low-GI. Also, glycogen levels are never completely depleted after 70 minutes of weight training unless you're barely taking any rest breaks and lifting very intensely. Plus, dextrose and malto make my shake too sweet.

Thermic effect of food is the energy costs of metabolizing foods. Since fat is very easy to digest and metabolize (unfortunate for us humans that are into physiques), it doesn't take much energy to digest it. On the other hand, amino acids are harder to digest and process, therefore requiring more energy to metabolize them. Also, high fiber foods also have a higher thermic effect due to the process of digesting soluble fiber (I don't know how it's processed). It probably doesn't make much of a difference at all, but I figured I would just up my protein intake a little bit while decreasing my fat content a little.

One thing I don't understand though is when people on here say to consume 3 times your bodyweight in grams of protein. If you weigh 180 pounds, you would be consuming over 500 grams of protein per day if you adhered to that "rule". Much of that is being converted to fat. Then again, so is too much of anything, carbs, fat, and protein.

I decided to hold off on the clen and waiting for awhile. I may do a PP/TRN stack in three weeks

 

[Tom 185]

Hey, I used to use high-GI carbs PWO, but decided that I just didn't want to use so much sugar in one sitting. I don't mind if my glycogen isn't replenished as quickly with low-GI. Also, glycogen levels are never completely depleted after 70 minutes of weight training unless you're barely taking any rest breaks and lifting very intensely. Plus, dextrose and malto make my shake too sweet.

Thermic effect of food is the energy costs of metabolizing foods. Since fat is very easy to digest and metabolize (unfortunate for us humans that are into physiques), it doesn't take much energy to digest it. On the other hand, amino acids are harder to digest and process, therefore requiring more energy to metabolize them. Also, high fiber foods also have a higher thermic effect due to the process of digesting soluble fiber (I don't know how it's processed). It probably doesn't make much of a difference at all, but I figured I would just up my protein intake a little bit while decreasing my fat content a little.

One thing I don't understand though is when people on here say to consume 3 times your bodyweight in grams of protein. If you weigh 180 pounds, you would be consuming over 500 grams of protein per day if you adhered to that "rule". Much of that is being converted to fat. Then again, so is too much of anything, carbs, fat, and protein.

I decided to hold off on the clen and waiting for awhile. I may do a PP/TRN stack in three weeks

i see..i actually like dextrose because it covers up the horrible taste of my creatine ethyl ester.

i'll have to ask my doctor's in school about the thermic effect.

the most protein i will consume is 1.5g/lb bodyweight when using anabolics..i will still do 1g/lb bodyweight while off cycle, but that is still most likely too much.

i'm gonna try pp this winter

trn did nothing for me

 

[AM07]

i see..i actually like dextrose because it covers up the horrible taste of my creatine ethyl ester.

i'll have to ask my doctor's in school about the thermic effect.

the most protein i will consume is 1.5g/lb bodyweight when using anabolics..i will still do 1g/lb bodyweight while off cycle, but that is still most likely too much.

i'm gonna try pp this winter

trn did nothing for me

CEE is disgusting! Have you used creatine mono? If so, do you see better results with CEE? I'm considering starting creatine in the next couple of days. I have a tub of Primaforce mono and bulk CEE, but not sure which one to try. I'm considering just going with mono since it seems to be the tried and true method.

Which school do you go to? What year are you? Good luck with your studies! I really miss college, but will hopefully be going back to school Fall 2008.

I'll be using AX PP and GL Mega-TRN. I've read so many mixed reviews about TRN. Some people swear by it, while others like yourself didn't really see anything from it. I was hoping it would reduce the bloat from the PP and also keep it a lean gaining cycle, but we'll see. I'm thinking of possibly running the PP solo or with Methyl Jacked, not sure though.

Which brand of PP are you running, and what is your dosing scheme going to be?

 

[Tom 185]

CEE is disgusting! Have you used creatine mono? If so, do you see better results with CEE? I'm considering starting creatine in the next couple of days. I have a tub of Primaforce mono and bulk CEE, but not sure which one to try. I'm considering just going with mono since it seems to be the tried and true method.

Which school do you go to? What year are you? Good luck with your studies! I really miss college, but will hopefully be going back to school Fall 2008.

I'll be using AX PP and GL Mega-TRN. I've read so many mixed reviews about TRN. Some people swear by it, while others like yourself didn't really see anything from it. I was hoping it would reduce the bloat from the PP and also keep it a lean gaining cycle, but we'll see. I'm thinking of possibly running the PP solo or with Methyl Jacked, not sure though.

Which brand of PP are you running, and what is your dosing scheme going to be?

i havent seen a difference between the 2 types of creatine

i attend school in new jersey

i'll be using EST phera-vol at 30/30/45/45/45 most likely