Question About Adding 3-Alpha

babygetoboy

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Hey guys, just ordered my T1-Pro and was wondering if it would be ok to add 3-alpha powder to it and at what dosage would you reccomend, not bad for 3/gram.
 
I am not sure how much could be added, but it could be a nice addittion to your stack. It will help keep your gains lean. I would watch for dht related side effects.
 
Don't add it to your T-1Pro. Either cap it or just take the powder, as the 3-alpha has around 40% bioavailbility when taken orally, I think.
 
Sir Foxx said:
Don't add it to your T-1Pro. Either cap it or just take the powder, as the 3-alpha has around 40% bioavailbility when taken orally, I think.
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No, you'd get way better absorbtion from adding it to the transdermal. I don't know how much gets through orally, but it's very little, not close to 40%. It's just a really strong compound that works and is noticed orally, eventhough not much gets through.
 
First of all, where did you get this powder? I would be surprized if its truly 3Alpha as Bill had not released this for bulk sales that I know of.

You might be hard pressed to mix much more androgen up into the T1-Pro but I'm sure you could some in. It's been awhile since I've thought about such things but the info is around.
 
It's beta, sorry guys, I thought it said alpha and got too excited, what are your guys's feelings on addin 3-beta in there?
 
Well beta would be great in a TD, but I swear that I've read that the alpha version has just as good bioavailibility as a transdermal. I will try to find the link for it, but I think it said it has around 43% BA orally.
 
Here is the info on the alpha:

5-AA (3-Alpha version):Pros: High conversion to DHT means better strength increases and muscle hardening. Outstanding for cutting

Cons: Side effects are more pronounced with a higher conversion to DHT

Conversion rate orally: 43%

Great for hardening and pre-contest conditions and preservation of lean mass while dieting.DHT is 300% as anabolic as Test

Highly androgenic due to the high conversion of this version of 5-AA.

Increases aggressiveness due to its [DHT’s] androgenic nature.

Zero Estrogen or progesterone conversion/activity

The Beta version only has 9% conversion orally
 
Don't put any more powders into the t1-pro. It is already at the saturation point . It has 15g of ph in it already... Why not make a homebrew or get some t-gel and do it that way. Then you can regulat better how much is going on.. Talk to ya...
 
I think it is because he has the beta version instead of the alpha. He thought he had alpha but instead beta, which would be better in PH gel.
 
3-Alpha is not 43% bioavailable, it's converted at a 43% rate from 3-Alpha into DHT. 3-Beta converts at about 9%. The actual oral bioavailability of 3-Alpha/Beta is actually rather low and as such, it would benefit you to apply it topically.

Naturally, if you have 3-Beta, and not 3-Alpha, you might want to apply more seeing as the conversion process is less afluent.

If you're going to stack the 3-Beta with some 1-Test/4-AD you'd probably want to run 200-300mg topically of the 3-Beta. Of course, depending upon your dosages of 1-Test/4-AD and your overall PH/PS experience you can adjust this value.
 
Ok what would recommend of 3 alpha orally stacked with T1 pro at 250 and 125 a day.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Ok what would recommend of 3 alpha orally stacked with T1 pro at 250 and 125 a day.
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150-200mg a day should suffice. That's 3-4 capsules a day at 50mg a cap. At 200mg a day you'd need two bottles of 3-Alpha to run a 30 day cycle.
 
I learn new something on this board everyday. I apologize to all for the misinformation I have given about 3-Alpha. Thanks for explaining it to me chosen5.

Ok, does anyone know what the % is for 3-Alpha orally? Also, I've read here many times that 1,4Andro is no better taken as a Transdermal as opposed to orally. A couple of questions then.

First, what is the conversion rate for 1,4andro? Secondly, what makes 1,4 andro equally as good taken either orally or transdermally? Last question, in reference to the answer forthcoming for the previous question, does this answer apply to all of the other PH's as far as what makes them better transdermally or orally?

I feel a little stupid now, for some reason I thought bioavailibility and conversion rate were somewhat the same.
 
Sir Foxx said:
I learn new something on this board everyday. I apologize to all for the misinformation I have given about 3-Alpha. Thanks for explaining it to me chosen5.

Ok, does anyone know what the % is for 3-Alpha orally? Also, I've read here many times that 1,4Andro is no better taken as a Transdermal as opposed to orally. A couple of questions then.

First, what is the conversion rate for 1,4andro? Secondly, what makes 1,4 andro equally as good taken either orally or transdermally? Last question, in reference to the answer forthcoming for the previous question, does this answer apply to all of the other PH's as far as what makes them better transdermally or orally?

I feel a little stupid now, for some reason I thought bioavailibility and conversion rate were somewhat the same.
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3-Alpha converts @ 43% orally.

1,4 Andro converts @ 45% orally.

Orals are supposed to be the better choice for these two because the transdermal conversion wouldn't be that much higher, and transdermals are generally a hassle. So its just as effective and a lot easier to use it orally.

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Sir Foxx said:
First, what is the conversion rate for 1,4andro?
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The conversion rate is unknown, but the bioavailibity is 45%.

Sir Foxx said:
Secondly, what makes 1,4 andro equally as good taken either orally or transdermally?
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It is due to the fact that its bioavailability is so high(45%) that it equals or beats that of topical application(topical application has an availability of 25-45% depending upon formula and whom you talk to)

Sir Foxx said:
Last question, in reference to the answer forthcoming for the previous question, does this answer apply to all of the other PH's as far as what makes them better transdermally or orally?
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Most products used transdermally, 1-test, 4-ad etc have a low bioavailibility and would thus benefit from the higher degree of availibility offered by topical application.

Sir Foxx said:
I feel a little stupid now, for some reason I thought bioavailibility and conversion rate were somewhat the same.
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No reason to feel stupid I have, and many others have, made the same mistake/s. Seeing as though we're dealing with prohormones and NOT actual steroids, we have something called "conversion rate." This conversion rate is a measurement of the amount of prohormone that is converted into active substance AKA the actual steroid that it is a precursor to.(in the case of 4-Ad it's Testosterone, 1,4 andro it's boldenone, 3-alpha it's DHT) On the other hand bioavailability deals with the amount of prohormone that makes it into the bloodstream so as to be converted into its target hormone. comprende?
 
Great I was planning on 200 a day, just crossing my t's haved aleady got 2 bottles.
 
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