sorry?
i actually think olympus is one of the very few companies that makes really good formulas and i have mentioned this numerous times. elixir simply doesn't do what i expected it to do based on the ingredients.
many of your formulas are indeed similar to things i would use in my products, yet i am no competitor as i only sell in europe and i don't own the company, i formulate more for fun, no getting rich for me in that.
i also thought that conquer demigod had the best non-stim matrix i have ever seen, i actually would have done exactly the same, combining cop and amentoflavone for strength is genious, only i thought that it focused on too many cholinergics but this is personal perferance and i actually talked to ray about your products numerous times. i also would like very much to work with olympus labs on some products but somehow you guys always come up with exactly what type of product i wanna make next. and i don't like acetylcholine...lol.
preworkout focused on massive strength instead of pump and focus maybe? ask ray. i am not here to write anything bad about olympus whatsoever.