Q & A for FINAFLEX 1-ANDRO

Ok Scotty, ive been reading up on finaflex 1-andro, cycling through this thread reading peoples posts and your posts for a week now and i finally ordered 1 bottle of 1-andro, pure test, and pct revolution black. Now this is my first pro hormone by first anything besides protein and pre work out. Im 19 5'8'' i weigh 184 have a fairly decent bench at 315 for 1 rep. Im extremely paranoid about taking anything and i was planning on taking 2 caps a day 1 morning 1 before workout for a month of andro and taking the puretest and pct after as directed, just to test everything out and see how my body reacts. After reading through this thread again, im starting to become a little uneasy about my decision. what exactly do you recommend, should i take puretest during? and the pct after? im currently going on day 3 of taking 2 caps a day i was gonna up it to 3 caps and possibly order another bottle i really want your professional opinion on what i should do and take.. also wat do you think my gains would be on the 2 caps a day for a month or 3 caps for 20 days. I kno for a fact im ingesting over 180 grams of protein a day but carb and fat intake i cant keep up, thanks!!!
 
wishuwereme44 said:
Ok Scotty, ive been reading up on finaflex 1-andro, cycling through this thread reading peoples posts and your posts for a week now and i finally ordered 1 bottle of 1-andro, pure test, and pct revolution black. Now this is my first pro hormone by first anything besides protein and pre work out. Im 19 5'8'' i weigh 184 have a fairly decent bench at 315 for 1 rep. Im extremely paranoid about taking anything and i was planning on taking 2 caps a day 1 morning 1 before workout for a month of andro and taking the puretest and pct after as directed, just to test everything out and see how my body reacts. After reading through this thread again, im starting to become a little uneasy about my decision. what exactly do you recommend, should i take puretest during? and the pct after? im currently going on day 3 of taking 2 caps a day i was gonna up it to 3 caps and possibly order another bottle i really want your professional opinion on what i should do and take.. also wat do you think my gains would be on the 2 caps a day for a month or 3 caps for 20 days. I kno for a fact im ingesting over 180 grams of protein a day but carb and fat intake i cant keep up, thanks!!!
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First off, excellent choice on our 1-ANDRO product it is one of the safest prohormones on the market and it is completely DSHEA compliant! Next good job on your 180+grams of protein per day, keep that up, very important. Next, 2 caps a day for only 30 days is a very mild cycle, not sure about what kind of gains you will see, but considering it is your very first cycle I have heard of reports of up to 10Lbs muscle gained on such a cycle for a newbie if everything is done correctly, so regardless of your actual gains, you will notice its anabolic effects on your muscles via gains of size and strength. Finally, taking the PURE TEST during your cycle is a waste in my opinion, PURE TEST boosts your body's natural production of Testosterone which is completely unnecessary during a cycle of 1-ANDRO where you are synthetically getting all your testosterone, which is why your body realizes it has so much and stops making it on its own, which is not a problem, only you want to make sure to change this situation when you come off, so your body is producing its own natural test again, got it? What I do recommend is taking 1 cap of PCT Black every night both during and after your cycle to effectively block any and all estrogen that might occur, as well as protect all your body's natural functions (ie. liver & kidney support, prostate & cardiovascular shield). Then, 5 days before the end of your cycle start taking the PURE TEST to kick your Natural Testosterone into gear and take 6 caps a day (either 3 caps every 12 hours or 2 caps every 8hrs) and do this for 40 straight days (two bottles) and between the PURE TEST & taking the PCT Black all the way through your cycle and for 30 days following your cycle, you will be fine Bro, no worries! That in my opinion is 100% the most effective and safest way to cycle one of our products!

Hope this has been a big help and enjoy your first cycle, please report back with your ending results and gains!

AL - ScottyDoc
 
wishuwereme44 said:
thanks soo much it really helped alot, ill fill you in, in a month thanks alot man i appreciate it.. calmed my nerves a little lol
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No need to worry my friend, PH's are tools and just like any tool out there, an axe or a hammer, if used improperly they can cause injury, but if used properly, they get the job done in which they were designed for... hit the nail with the hammer, it goes in, hit your hand with the hammer and you have a hurt hand, it really is that simple, the right way and the wrong way, just make sure you do it the right way!
 
ScottyDoc said:
First off, excellent choice on our 1-ANDRO product it is one of the safest prohormones on the market and it is completely DSHEA compliant! Next good job on your 180+grams of protein per day, keep that up, very important. Next, 2 caps a day for only 30 days is a very mild cycle, not sure about what kind of gains you will see, but considering it is your very first cycle I have heard of reports of up to 10Lbs muscle gained on such a cycle for a newbie if everything is done correctly, so regardless of your actual gains, you will notice its anabolic effects on your muscles via gains of size and strength. Finally, taking the PURE TEST during your cycle is a waste in my opinion, PURE TEST boosts your body's natural production of Testosterone which is completely unnecessary during a cycle of 1-ANDRO where you are synthetically getting all your testosterone, which is why your body realizes it has so much and stops making it on its own, which is not a problem, only you want to make sure to change this situation when you come off, so your body is producing its own natural test again, got it? What I do recommend is taking 1 cap of PCT Black every night both during and after your cycle to effectively block any and all estrogen that might occur, as well as protect all your body's natural functions (ie. liver & kidney support, prostate & cardiovascular shield). Then, 5 days before the end of your cycle start taking the PURE TEST to kick your Natural Testosterone into gear and take 6 caps a day (either 3 caps every 12 hours or 2 caps every 8hrs) and do this for 40 straight days (two bottles) and between the PURE TEST & taking the PCT Black all the way through your cycle and for 30 days following your cycle, you will be fine Bro, no worries! That in my opinion is 100% the most effective and safest way to cycle one of our products!

Hope this has been a big help and enjoy your first cycle, please report back with your ending results and gains!

AL - ScottyDoc
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You see that's what I like about the Finaflex line the products are effective and safer... and they have all you need for a cycle in their line because there are no really harsh substances here. That and the additional features in the products seem to make them work better... they're optimized... I see others doing the same kind of things but the price tag seems very high with some of the other products... I will not name names but I think people will guess who I am talking about.
 
jodenem99 said:
what up doc ..like you never heard that before.. what would you think about stacking epistane with the 1 andro. i would use organ shield or something similar during 6 wk cycle . followed up with a pct including a serm .tamox.. test boost , erase or similar revolution black
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That sounds like a very good cycle to me, what dosages do U an to run them at?
 
jodenem99 said:
good morning the planned cycle is epistane 20/30/30/30/40/40 - 1 andro, 4 per day split 4/4/4/4/4/4 - organ shield - 4 wk pct tamoxifin 20/20/10/10 - daa starting wk 4 of cycle 3 grams per day taken before bed- test boost( titaniumxl) 3 per day split- erase 3 per day ,starting on day 21 of pct for 30 days. the pct products i am still deceiding on . thats what i used previously after a 4 wk cycle of epi. your imput or suggested variables would be appreciated .
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What were your results last time around? It sounds like you have all your bases covered Bro, not really sure you need the Tamoxifin, but would definitely hold on to it just in case, never can be too careful, but I don't think I would just take it for the hell of taking it, make sure you need it first kind of thing, that is just my opinion, if someone else has a difference of opinion, in for reasoning!
 
Happy New Year!

Quick question, been doing A LOT of reading/research on Andro and decided to give it a shot. I'm 33, 5'5", 148 lbs, been training consistently for a year and a half, this will be my first cycle of any PH. Here's what I have planned out...

***30 Day Cycle***
Andro
2 - Morning/2 - Evening
PCT Black
1 - Evening
Pure Test
3 - Morning/3 - Before Bed

***Post Cycle***
PCT Black (30 Days)
2 - Evening
Pure Test (40 Days)
3 - Morning/3 - Before Bed

My question is in regards to Pure Test, should I run it during cycle, post cycle, or both? I have seen many mixed recommendations on when to take it. How's the rest of the plan look? I also take multi-vitamin, omega 369, vitamin c, creatine, 1mr pre-workout, and bcaa amino energy during workout, should I alter any of these during the Andro cycle?

Thanks in advance for all your input!
 
Just starting a Epi-V/11-oxo stack...

4 caps Epi-V/750mg 11-oxo (may up it, depending...)
After 3 weeks, I'm going to add in epistane at 45mg/day for 4 weeks.

All stocked up on support supps. Any idea what I might expect from a cycle like this? This is my 5th or 6th cycle, but first with epi-v or 11-oxo. I'm open to making changes as well. I have never really experienced a shut down or high liver values, as I use SamE along with a complete liver/cycle support supp, and then end up using a SERM in PCT just to be sure.

Thanks.
 
ScottyDoc said:
KOSTON... That sounds fantastic, I would add PURE TEST to the mix, but start it approx. 5 days before the end of your cycle and take 6 caps/day = 3g/day for 40 days. I think your cycle looks solid only that I would extend both the EPI-V and the 1-ANDRO out by 15 days making it roughly a 6 week cycle and remember even though you are taking the PCT Black during your cycle, continue to take it at the same 2 caps/evening for approx. 3-4wks following your cycle, but you do not have to do it for as long as you are on the PURE TEST and no they do not contradict nor counter one another at all, as a matter of fact if you look at the ingredients of PURE TEST (100% pure D'Aspartic Acid) you will notice that we have that in our testosterone booster portion of our PCT Black, just not as highly dosed as PURE TEST!

So Doc the cycle went off really well. I leaned down kept almost all my gains. Few sides effect, body acne, sore shoulder joint, but that was about it. I'm planning out my next cycle when I ran across the 550-XD come back. Do you have any insight on when we'll see it? Or when it comes out, how it should be stacked with the other finaflex products? It seems to have alot in one package and would eliminate the need for some of what I did last time.
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FranklinA said:
Happy New Year!

Quick question, been doing A LOT of reading/research on Andro and decided to give it a shot. I'm 33, 5'5", 148 lbs, been training consistently for a year and a half, this will be my first cycle of any PH. Here's what I have planned out...

***30 Day Cycle***
Andro
2 - Morning/2 - Evening
PCT Black
1 - Evening
Pure Test
3 - Morning/3 - Before Bed

***Post Cycle***
PCT Black (30 Days)
2 - Evening
Pure Test (40 Days)
3 - Morning/3 - Before Bed

My question is in regards to Pure Test, should I run it during cycle, post cycle, or both? I have seen many mixed recommendations on when to take it. How's the rest of the plan look? I also take multi-vitamin, omega 369, vitamin c, creatine, 1mr pre-workout, and bcaa amino energy during workout, should I alter any of these during the Andro cycle?

Thanks in advance for all your input!
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Happy New Year right back at you Bro! Everything you have posted looks fantastic, except for the one thing you questioned... I would not take the PURE TEST during your cycle, there is nothing that would hurt you or lessen your gains, but there is absolutely no benefit in taking it during your cycle! It is a testosterone booster that aids the body in boosting its own natural testosterone levels, if you take it during, it is really working against itself because your body has shut down natural production because of it getting so much synthetically via the 1-ANDRO, which is why I suggest taking 6 caps per evening of PURE TEST starting 5 days before the end of your cycle and continue it for 40 days after you start at 6 caps a day, (two bottles) being taken along side your PCT Black.
 
rjp3900 said:
Just starting a Epi-V/11-oxo stack...

4 caps Epi-V/750mg 11-oxo (may up it, depending...)
After 3 weeks, I'm going to add in epistane at 45mg/day for 4 weeks.

All stocked up on support supps. Any idea what I might expect from a cycle like this? This is my 5th or 6th cycle, but first with epi-v or 11-oxo. I'm open to making changes as well. I have never really experienced a shut down or high liver values, as I use SamE along with a complete liver/cycle support supp, and then end up using a SERM in PCT just to be sure.

Thanks.
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Well... I am basing this on the stats in your profile (5'10" 172Lbs) and this is your 5th or 6th cycle. It is really hard to give a good guestimate of what someone can/will achieve with a cycle, your cycle looks good and if you are eating enough protein (at least 1g/Lb you weigh) then you should at least burn some unnecessary fat and make some very good lean muscle strength gains. Just don't be disappointed if the scale shows you lose weight during this cycle, or if your weight remains the same or you barely add any weight, your body will have done some remarkable transformation and you should be using the mirror and calipers if you are taking body fat measurements to be your guide to your progress! Good Luck and enjoy your cycle, just make sure you keep your diet up to par, biggest mistake I see, people know they are taking something and let their diet/nutrition slack, when that is the most important time to be completely anal about it!!!
 
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Just don't be disappointed if the scale shows you lose weight during this cycle, or if your weight remains the same or you barely add any weight, your body will have done some remarkable transformation and you should be using the mirror and calipers if you are taking body fat measurements to be your guide to your progress! !
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No worries, doc. This is definitely a cutting cycle. I'm dieting pretty hardcore - intermittent fasting, two-a-days, BCAAs in between meals, casein protein with extra leucine before bed...Just wanted to make sure I wasn't into cortisol reduction overkill. :-) Thanks for the feedback.
 
rjp3900 said:
No worries, doc. This is definitely a cutting cycle. I'm dieting pretty hardcore - intermittent fasting, two-a-days, BCAAs in between meals, casein protein with extra leucine before bed...Just wanted to make sure I wasn't into cortisol reduction overkill. :-) Thanks for the feedback.
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Nah, no worries there Brotha, the 11-Oxo & EPI-V will keep you Anabolic! And that is all you ever need to worry about when doing a cut cycle, that you are taking in as much protein as possible, as few of calories as possible and staying in an anabolic vs. catabolic state! Most people are overly concerned with gaining lean muscle mass while dropping fat, possible and does happen with great cycles, but should always be just appreciated and not expected, what should be expected is dropping a ridiculous amount of fat while maintaining 100% of your lean body mass, that in itself is a WIN, any more than that is a WIN-WIN!!!
 
ScottyDoc said:
Nah, no worries there Brotha, the 11-Oxo & EPI-V will keep you Anabolic! And that is all you ever need to worry about when doing a cut cycle, that you are taking in as much protein as possible, as few of calories as possible and staying in an anabolic vs. catabolic state! Most people are overly concerned with gaining lean muscle mass while dropping fat, possible and does happen with great cycles, but should always be just appreciated and not expected, what should be expected is dropping a ridiculous amount of fat while maintaining 100% of your lean body mass, that in itself is a WIN, any more than that is a WIN-WIN!!!
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That's a good way of looking at it.
 
DreamWeaver said:
That's a good way of looking at it.
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It is just a more realistic way of looking at it, obviously when taking prohormones and utilizing a perfect diet, it is possible to do both at the same time, but with very little to no room for error or cheating, etc. Again depending on the person and starting point and desired ending point of a cut cycle, etc.
 
anyone buying this product, i recommend it, so far on day 18 , 4 pills a day, i gained about 6 pounds of muscle so far, literally no side effects, i will post a before and after picture when my cycle is finished
 
yeegits said:
anyone buying this product, i recommend it, so far on day 18 , 4 pills a day, i gained about 6 pounds of muscle so far, literally no side effects, i will post a before and after picture when my cycle is finished
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How are the strength gains, when I ran 1-Andro transderm with 4AD back in the old days the strength gains were vivid....
 
strength gains were crazy good, bench went up 20 pounds, went from curling 30 pound dumbells 3 set of 8 to doing 40 lbs 3 sets of 10, etc, pretty much every routine / muscle i was working out had vivid gains
 
yeegits said:
also should i start taking pct black now? on day 18?
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I personally like to and recommend to others to take 1 cap of PCT REVOLUTION Black every night during their cycle and following their cycle. Why not block the estrogen the entire time vs. just waiting until the end to use it to get rid of the build up of estrogen, why not just keep it in control the entire time??? Also, because the PCT Black is a very well balanced ingenius formula that protects and rejuvenates your liver, kidneys, prostate, & cardiovascular system on top of ridding the body of unwanted estrogen and kick-starting your body to produce more of its own natural testosterone! Seems like a "No-Brainer" to me, but to each his/her own!
 
New to the site here Scotty. Read alot of this thread yesterday. I am 25, 6'4 225 and have taken 2 PH cycles in the last 4 years when playing college baseball. I have always been fairly lean and sit around 217-226. I am looking to stay in this range as I do not want to bulk up past 230 but want to cut my BF% down and add a few lbs of lean muscle mass. When getting my BF tested over the years from calipers/skinfold it ranges from 7-12%. I think it is probably 9-11.

Anyways..... I was interested in taking/cycling Finaflex Andro 1 with yalls Epi product but was not sure the best way to do it. I took Epistane 1.5 years ago, took a SERM after, and was pleased but I did a 4 week cycle and shoulda have taken it longer and with a higher dosage because of my size and its weakness. I was looking in the 6-7 weeks(7 MAX) range and was not sure of the best way to do it, if I should take them both for 6-7 weeks or take 1 for 2-4 weeks and then start the other at weeks 3 or 4. I am not worried about PCT/protection as that seems to be covered on here well enough. I am more worried about what to stack/take now, and will then base my PCT on what I take accordingly.

My diet is very clean and been an exercise science major and having taken Nutrition classes, I do not worry about calorie intake exactly but more of eating clean and what types of foods to eat and when.

Thanks for the help ahead of time, you are a great resource.
 
mattbaseball said:
New to the site here Scotty. Read alot of this thread yesterday. I am 25, 6'4 225 and have taken 2 PH cycles in the last 4 years when playing college baseball. I have always been fairly lean and sit around 217-226. I am looking to stay in this range as I do not want to bulk up past 230 but want to cut my BF% down and add a few lbs of lean muscle mass. When getting my BF tested over the years from calipers/skinfold it ranges from 7-12%. I think it is probably 9-11.

Anyways..... I was interested in taking/cycling Finaflex Andro 1 with yalls Epi product but was not sure the best way to do it. I took Epistane 1.5 years ago, took a SERM after, and was pleased but I did a 4 week cycle and shoulda have taken it longer and with a higher dosage because of my size and its weakness. I was looking in the 6-7 weeks(7 MAX) range and was not sure of the best way to do it, if I should take them both for 6-7 weeks or take 1 for 2-4 weeks and then start the other at weeks 3 or 4. I am not worried about PCT/protection as that seems to be covered on here well enough. I am more worried about what to stack/take now, and will then base my PCT on what I take accordingly.

My diet is very clean and been an exercise science major and having taken Nutrition classes, I do not worry about calorie intake exactly but more of eating clean and what types of foods to eat and when.

Thanks for the help ahead of time, you are a great resource.
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Matt... I'm not really clear as to what you want from me Bro? Happy to help, I read what you wrote twice and other than me just spitting out general information about the products or how I recommend taking them, I don't really see a direct question in there, forgive me if I just missed it!

Are you looking for a Cycle Suggestion? One that will maintain your lean frame, but put a tiny bit more mass, but not at the expense of adding excess fat or bulk, as in you want to stay very athletic and agile, but more muscle and faster, right? If this is what you want, I actually have the perfect cycle suggestion for you, not going to be the cheapest cycle, but I guarantee you will love the results!

1 bottle of 1-ANDRO, 1 bottle of EPI-V, & 2 bottles of the new 550-XD Black

The cycle length should be approximately 8 weeks total. For all 8 weeks you should be taking 2 caps of the 550-XD Black per day (1 cap in the morning & 1 cap in the evening, approximately every 12hrs). For the 1st 4 weeks you should be taking 2 caps of 1-ANDRO per day (1 cap in the morning & 1 cap in the evening, approximately every 12hrs). For the last 4 weeks you should be taking 2 caps of EPI-V per day (1 cap in the morning and 1 cap approx. 8hrs before you expect to go to sleep). EPI-V has stimulants in it, do not take less than 8hrs prior to bed or it may interfere with normal sleep. That my friend is a KILLER Cycle that will increase your strength, size, and help drop the fat, remember to eat extra clean while doing this, the supplements will do the rest (HIGH PROTEIN = 50%, low fat = 25%, & low carbs)!
 
ScottyDoc said:
Matt... I'm not really clear as to what you want from me Bro? Happy to help, I read what you wrote twice and other than me just spitting out general information about the products or how I recommend taking them, I don't really see a direct question in there, forgive me if I just missed it!

Are you looking for a Cycle Suggestion? One that will maintain your lean frame, but put a tiny bit more mass, but not at the expense of adding excess fat or bulk, as in you want to stay very athletic and agile, but more muscle and faster, right? If this is what you want, I actually have the perfect cycle suggestion for you, not going to be the cheapest cycle, but I guarantee you will love the results!

1 bottle of 1-ANDRO, 1 bottle of EPI-V, & 2 bottles of the new 550-XD Black

The cycle length should be approximately 8 weeks total. For all 8 weeks you should be taking 2 caps of the 550-XD Black per day (1 cap in the morning & 1 cap in the evening, approximately every 12hrs). For the 1st 4 weeks you should be taking 2 caps of 1-ANDRO per day (1 cap in the morning & 1 cap in the evening, approximately every 12hrs). For the last 4 weeks you should be taking 2 caps of EPI-V per day (1 cap in the morning and 1 cap approx. 8hrs before you expect to go to sleep). EPI-V has stimulants in it, do not take less than 8hrs prior to bed or it may interfere with normal sleep. That my friend is a KILLER Cycle that will increase your strength, size, and help drop the fat, remember to eat extra clean while doing this, the supplements will do the rest (HIGH PROTEIN = 50%, low fat = 25%, & low carbs)!
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Yah that sounds just peachy.. :) I am going to do that one likely this summer, gonna be big and ripped just like last summer!!
 
ScottyDoc said:
Matt...
Are you looking for a Cycle Suggestion? One that will maintain your lean frame, but put a tiny bit more mass, but not at the expense of adding excess fat or bulk, as in you want to stay very athletic and agile, but more muscle and faster, right? If this is what you want, I actually have the perfect cycle suggestion for you, not going to be the cheapest cycle, but I guarantee you will love the results!

1 bottle of 1-ANDRO, 1 bottle of EPI-V, & 2 bottles of the new 550-XD Black

The cycle length should be approximately 8 weeks total. For all 8 weeks you should be taking 2 caps of the 550-XD Black per day (1 cap in the morning & 1 cap in the evening, approximately every 12hrs). For the 1st 4 weeks you should be taking 2 caps of 1-ANDRO per day (1 cap in the morning & 1 cap in the evening, approximately every 12hrs). For the last 4 weeks you should be taking 2 caps of EPI-V per day (1 cap in the morning and 1 cap approx. 8hrs before you expect to go to sleep). EPI-V has stimulants in it, do not take less than 8hrs prior to bed or it may interfere with normal sleep. That my friend is a KILLER Cycle that will increase your strength, size, and help drop the fat, remember to eat extra clean while doing this, the supplements will do the rest (HIGH PROTEIN = 50%, low fat = 25%, & low carbs)!
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Again thanks for the help. I am mainly looking to cut bodyfat while also gaining a few lbs of muscle. My LBM is good, just want to cut up a tad more and add a little more muscle. So yes what you asked above is correct What will would the main difference in adding the 550 in there? I was thinking more along the lines of 2 bottles andro and 2 bottles epi over 6-8 weeks. I do not want to gain water weight. I almost would rather play it safe and take 2 instead of 3 different PH's and I do not want to gain much weight and I think 550 will make it quite a bit bigger.
 
What do you think about 1 bottle of 550, 1 of andro and 2 epi. Seems Epi will lean me out more versus 550 adding more weight. Thanks for all the help, just like to come up with perfect cycle and cover all bases before I jump into it

Matt
 
mattbaseball said:
What do you think about 1 bottle of 550, 1 of andro and 2 epi. Seems Epi will lean me out more versus 550 adding more weight. Thanks for all the help, just like to come up with perfect cycle and cover all bases before I jump into it

Matt
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Matt... I still stick with my original suggestion, the 550 is going to be essential in adding strength, keeping you hard, lean, & dry as well as being very easy on the joints, as in it is a two step conversion to Norandalone (Deca) known by all bodybuilders to be very easy on the joints, helps lubricate them and keep them healthy, which is extremely important when trying to gain strength and mass, but also trying to stay lean, when trying to stay lean, the body has tendency to dry out and joints start to ache, this will not make you get watered down or bloated, but it will help keep the joints lubricated, get me, that is my reason for it being so important!
 
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Matt... I still stick with my original suggestion, the 550 is going to be essential in adding strength, keeping you hard, lean, & dry as well as being very easy on the joints, as in it is a two step conversion to Norandalone (Deca) known by all bodybuilders to be very easy on the joints, helps lubricate them and keep them healthy, which is extremely important when trying to gain strength and mass, but also trying to stay lean, when trying to stay lean, the body has tendency to dry out and joints start to ache, this will not make you get watered down or bloated, but it will help keep the joints lubricated, get me, that is my reason for it being so important!
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Yah a 12 week bridge is plenty of time to recomp and cut as long as you are only about 15-20 lbs from your goal weight. You could do more in that time and AL as proven it but that is a severe cut he did and tough to duplicate. Myself I will plan to peak a bit slower. I love the way I did it last year. Bottom line is though Al did that serious but and lost next to no muscle. Plus Epi-v will have you looking hard, dry and lean in the end. Go to the EPI-V question thread where I posted some pics of me at 53 just at the end of my EPI-V run. It's pretty impressive.
 
I prefer to suggest time off = cycle time + pct time. so if you ran a 6 week cycle and 4 week pct, you'd want to stay off an aditional 10 weeks.

ManBeast
 
Subd for future reference and curiosity. Been very interested in the epi. Not very familiar with the 1andro Nd also fear gainin too much weight/size, I prefer to stay under 170 as I am never truly lean above that... Water and bloat also very big concerns for me. I've run several ph cycles as a STUPID teenager and had bad experiences with all of them due to my lack of knowledge and resource like am! Glad there's people Out here willing to
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yeegits said:
take as much time off as you had for you cycle, for example if your cycle was 60 days , take at LEAST 60 days off, if not more to be even safer
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I agree with the above advice... I typically run 3 fairly longer cycles per year... 2 months intra-cycle, 1 month post cycle therapy, and then one month of just giving my body and organs a rest/re-coop!
 
ManBeast said:
I prefer to suggest time off = cycle time + pct time. so if you ran a 6 week cycle and 4 week pct, you'd want to stay off an aditional 10 weeks.

ManBeast
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Also a very good response, there is no such thing as taking too much time between cycles, I mean different people react differently to different substances/compounds and whenever you do something that puts stress on the body, it is always good to take ample amount of time off!
 
chedapalooza said:
Subd for future reference and curiosity. Been very interested in the epi. Not very familiar with the 1andro Nd also fear gainin too much weight/size, I prefer to stay under 170 as I am never truly lean above that... Water and bloat also very big concerns for me. I've run several ph cycles as a STUPID teenager and had bad experiences with all of them due to my lack of knowledge and resource like am! Glad there's people Out here willing to
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Do the research... ask the questions, I promise I will never be an A$$, no matter how simple or basic the question is, there was a point in time that I didn't know the answer and everyone else here on the forum didn't know either, we all had to learn, so by all means... ASK.

There are many different PH's around and in my opinion most can be taken with extremely good results and little to no neg sides if taken properly with the proper protective measures... ie liver & kidney supports both during and after, a good PCT to block the estrogen and boost the natural testosterone back up, etc. etc.

In short, the STUPIDEST thing you can do at this point is... NOT ASKING IF YOU DON'T KNOW!!!
 
ScottyDoc said:
Do the research... ask the questions, I promise I will never be an A$$, no matter how simple or basic the question is, there was a point in time that I didn't know the answer and everyone else here on the forum didn't know either, we all had to learn, so by all means... ASK.

There are many different PH's around and in my opinion most can be taken with extremely good results and little to no neg sides if taken properly with the proper protective measures... ie liver & kidney supports both during and after, a good PCT to block the estrogen and boost the natural testosterone back up, etc. etc.

In short, the STUPIDEST thing you can do at this point is... NOT ASKING IF YOU DON'T KNOW!!!
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Very cool
And nice of you! It'll probably be a couple mknths before I think about trying Anything. Basically all natural stuff at this point. Loving erase and anabeta.. Bout to
Try some daa and fadogia..

I've experimented as stated earlier with 17bol, stanodrol, trenadrol, sus500, oxyguno, n I can't remember what else.. Something methylated from est about 5 years ago.. Never really did post or used intra cycle supports. Was SO dumb. Won't happen again now though :)
 
Yah I think time off should be longer depending on what you are running. The finaflex line consists of less harsh or milder PH's but still take around 8 weeks off at least. Also different people have different reactions to different stuff so you have to gauge this for yourself and that's why you might want to take longer that 8 weeks depending on your experience. If you have reasonable easy access to blood tests I highly recommend it, that way you know for sure where you are at. Yah I think Finaflex products are safe and well thought out with there support products but why not use every precaution.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yah a 12 week bridge is plenty of time to recomp and cut as long as you are only about 15-20 lbs from your goal weight. You could do more in that time and AL as proven it but that is a severe cut he did and tough to duplicate. Myself I will plan to peak a bit slower. I love the way I did it last year. Bottom line is though Al did that serious but and lost next to no muscle. Plus Epi-v will have you looking hard, dry and lean in the end. Go to the EPI-V question thread where I posted some pics of me at 53 just at the end of my EPI-V run. It's pretty impressive.
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Pretty amazing pics at 53! Congrats on that, takes alot of hard work.

So my concern now is that I am up to 234 and do not want to gain anymore weight. 550 being compared to Deca(oil based) will retain water. Yes it will lubricate your joints. My brother took the real Deca and gained 25 lbs. He regrets it because lost most of it.

I am more concerned with leaning out and dropping BF. Correct me if I am wrong, I may just be a *****. But with a tall slender build it takes me gaining alot of weight before you notice and with my playing days behind me I don't care about size but rather having an athletic cut build. And taking 4 bottles of 3 different PH's on 1 cycle kind of scares me.

Scotty: What do you think about taking maybe just 550 and EPI? Seems to me like Andro/550 would be one in the same in terms of stacking. More concerned with the lean/cutting qualities of EPI then bulking from 550 or Andro.
 
mattbaseball said:
Pretty amazing pics at 53! Congrats on that, takes alot of hard work.

So my concern now is that I am up to 234 and do not want to gain anymore weight. 550 being compared to Deca(oil based) will retain water. Yes it will lubricate your joints. My brother took the real Deca and gained 25 lbs. He regrets it because lost most of it.

I am more concerned with leaning out and dropping BF. Correct me if I am wrong, I may just be a *****. But with a tall slender build it takes me gaining alot of weight before you notice and with my playing days behind me I don't care about size but rather having an athletic cut build. And taking 4 bottles of 3 different PH's on 1 cycle kind of scares me.

Scotty: What do you think about taking maybe just 550 and EPI? Seems to me like Andro/550 would be one in the same in terms of stacking. More concerned with the lean/cutting qualities of EPI then bulking from 550 or Andro.
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OK, first I want to say that your brother gaining 25Lbs on Deca is pretty amazing, is that all he was taking? because that is a lot of weight gain for just Deca. 2nd, Deca is not as indicative of water bloat and weight gain like high levels of testosterone would be, especially if you are eating clean and drinking a lot of water. Now as far as him losing all that he gained, that is probably a combination of two things... 1) it was a lot of water retention and bloat, which will always go away when you get off... 2) if you don't post-cycle correctly, you will usually lose most of what you gained, strength, size, cuts, all of it (it all has to do with that time it takes for your body to correct its hormonal levels naturally vs. assisting them quicker with a PCT).

Matt... if you are happy with your size then just go with a good cycle of EPI-V. Doug(dreamweaver) had amazing results with 4 caps/day for 6wks. Here, take a look at this LOG I ran last year... it was one of the best cycles/body re-comp I have ever done! Now take note in the 1st page of the LOG that I cycled for 12 wks and bridged from 1-ANDRO to EPI-V, that is definitely a longer cycle than I personally recommend, but it was my body and I felt like I was taking all the necessary precautions and I was very careful to listen and stay in tune with my body if I felt like anything was not going right, which it actually went silky-fuggin-smooth... anyway see for yourself!

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Yeah that is all he took. THis was 5 years ago during his ball years. His plan was Winnie but all the guy had was DECA so he bought it. He regrets it lol, but so be it. He probably did not cycle off of it correctly but I am not sure. He did tear his Shoulder later that year and had surgery so that has alot to do with it.

Thanks for all the help again. I now need to price it all out and come to a conclusion on what me and my 3 buddies will take. I am leaning towards Epi or bridging it with Andro for a total of 8 weeks. Thanks again to everyone for all the help
 
Yah EPI-V is the thing to take for when you want to peak, It's pretty mild so I like to bridge it just like Al did and aim to peak on it. It will have you lean, dry and hard and you won't lose an ounce of muscle. You don't have to go all that low on calories either, I was something like 3400 2500 in a lean gains protocol which is pretty high for me. I was in more of a recomp mode as I did not have to lose a lot of weight but if you're 6 weeks out of your peak you should not have to.
 
Hey ScottyDoc,

Looking for some info for a cycle.

I am going to be starting a cycle of 1-Andro and Black Revolution PCT.

I am curious on the amount I should take for the cycle-for both products.

I am 31, 6"5 275lb about 20% bf. I have been lifting for a few years and my nutrition is spot on.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
 
pseudo said:
Hey ScottyDoc,

Looking for some info for a cycle.

I am going to be starting a cycle of 1-Andro and Black Revolution PCT.

I am curious on the amount I should take for the cycle-for both products.

I am 31, 6"5 275lb about 20% bf. I have been lifting for a few years and my nutrition is spot on.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
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Welll I think he will say 4 1-andro ed 2 am 2 pm and 1 PCT Black pm then during PCT 2-3 PCT black pm with some Pure Test up to 4-6 ed there is some DAA in the PCT black so 4 Pure Test should do the trick.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Welll I think he will say 4 1-andro ed 2 am 2 pm and 1 PCT Black pm then during PCT 2-3 PCT black pm with some Pure Test up to 4-6 ed there is some DAA in the PCT black so 4 Pure Test should do the trick.
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Agreed Doug, the only thing left out was the length of time I think a cycle should last... Although I myself and many others here have done 8, 10, even 12wk cycles, I think the safest, yet effective cycle length is 6wks. This is completely my opinion now, but both my professional one and one from my personal experiences, I think that under 6wks just is not long enough and anything over 8wks is too long, as in it can really become taxing on the body and at that point you should really know what you are doing and be extremely in tune with your body and also be taking all the precautionary measures, etc. In short, I believe a 6wk cycle is perfect, 8wk Max!
 
ScottyDoc said:
Agreed Doug, the only thing left out was the length of time I think a cycle should last... Although I myself and many others here have done 8, 10, even 12wk cycles, I think the safest, yet effective cycle length is 6wks. This is completely my opinion now, but both my professional one and one from my personal experiences, I think that under 6wks just is not long enough and anything over 8wks is too long, as in it can really become taxing on the body and at that point you should really know what you are doing and be extremely in tune with your body and also be taking all the precautionary measures, etc. In short, I believe a 6wk cycle is perfect, 8wk Max!
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Yah sorry .. 6-8 week cydle would be good 6 probably easier to recover from.
 
Can erase or erase pro be used in pct for an 8 week cycle of epi v? I would want to run erase for another 8 weeks following the epi... Is this safe/realistic? What else would need to be including intra cycle and post? Would I need or want to run a test booster along with the epi? I have below avg test levels, so I usually run some sort of natty t booster year round.. I'm really interested in trying the epi but not sure how to cover all my bases for during and post cycle.. I'd like to use anabeta post cycle as well if possible..
 
chedapalooza said:
Can erase or erase pro be used in pct for an 8 week cycle of epi v? I would want to run erase for another 8 weeks following the epi... Is this safe/realistic? What else would need to be including intra cycle and post? Would I need or want to run a test booster along with the epi? I have below avg test levels, so I usually run some sort of natty t booster year round.. I'm really interested in trying the epi but not sure how to cover all my bases for during and post cycle.. I'd like to use anabeta post cycle as well if possible..
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Erase Pro should be fine ...

Well if you use PCT black which has some of the same ingredients as erase-pro on cycle (1 cap ed) then 4 weeks of Erase-Pro should be enough.

I would go with the PCT Black, 1 ed on cycle and I like the idea of adding in the Pure Test late cycle, you should be ok with 4 ed as PCT black has some DAA as well. I think you would be ok to continue with the PCT-Black in PCT the Pro is supposed to to me more SERM like so it may be a good product. Both have Cortisol control so you should be ok. Oh and Contiue your Pure test through PCT.

You mentioned you wanted to run EPI-V for 8 weeks at 2 ed, I would think about 4 ed for 6 weeks...
 
DreamWeaver said:
Erase Pro should be fine ...

Well if you use PCT black which has some of the same ingredients as erase-pro on cycle (1 cap ed) then 4 weeks of Erase-Pro should be enough.

I would go with the PCT Black, 1 ed on cycle and I like the idea of adding in the Pure Test late cycle, you should be ok with 4 ed as PCT black has some DAA as well. I think you would be ok to continue with the PCT-Black in PCT the Pro is supposed to to me more SERM like so it may be a good product. Both have Cortisol control so you should be ok. Oh and Contiue your Pure test through PCT.

You mentioned you wanted to run EPI-V for 8 weeks at 2 ed, I would think about 4 ed for 6 weeks...
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I really don't have the budget for more than 2 bottles... I also respond easily and am very prone to sides when taking a ph... So I personally feel 2 a day would be enough, at least to start.. Especially coupled with daa and pct black on cycle.. And pro xan lol.

Would u mind making up a quick layout for the cycle and post? I'm having a hard time visualizing.. Thank you!
 
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