pwo carbs

[Admin]

The references had zero to do with the point being made. You should not cite evidence not pertaining to that point as it is not credible. Saying that using sugar over a complex carbohydrate is not warranted after performance then citing 2 studies which have nothing to do with that argument is a fallacy. Calling someone out on it isnt in bad taste, but it did leave me scratchig my head.

Yet his point was actually correct. If you want relevant studies they are available. Calling someone out with "lol" after your statements seems disingenuous.

Most people do not check references; I always do. if it came across as mocking that wasnt the intention, just the interpretation.

Making statements with "lol" at the end of them tends to be mocking in this scenario...then he's told he's just doing it to argue....when all he was trying to do is help in the most detailed way he could...which is what I ask of him.

Also the argument isnt semantics; again thats not what I was refering to. We had our terminology confused and so the point was moot.

If you were confused that is fine...but several people told him he was wrong.

Recovery is different to muscle growth as you can have recovery without growth. I took repair as recovery as the OP already specified growth. Simple mistake. He hasnt clarified so the argument continues.

PWO in the last 15 years of forums has almost always been post workout....and he wanted to know what carb source was best for repair and gains...which by definition is most certainly...post workout. So the answer would be....it doesn't matter...focus on amino's.

 

[Admin]

this is true

If he wanted to know the best carb source for quick replenishment or less bloating there would be a different option

Technically all lactic acid cycles through and can become glycogen so is it really needed immediatly? No it'll replenish over time

The training frequency in that day is what determines carb sources IMO but in the end it it doesn't matter what source of you train once a day

Even supercompensation was shown to have no effect on protein synthesis rates. Only when injected insulin is applied do we see a jump but thats an entirely different ballpark now.

 

[RecompMan]

Even supercompensation was shown to have no effect on protein synthesis rates. Only when injected insulin is applied do we see a jump but thats an entirely different ballpark now.

that's because we are now talking supra physiological now

 

[Admin]

that's because we are now talking supra physiological now

Which is comparing apples to cannonballs....and often used to market carb mixes. Look! Magic Insulin! :lol:

 

[Jiigzz]

Yet his point was actually correct. If you want relevant studies they are available. Calling someone out with "lol" after your statements seems disingenuous.



Making statements with "lol" at the end of them tends to be mocking in this scenario...then he's told he's just doing it to argue....when all he was trying to do is help in the most detailed way he could...which is what I ask of him.



If you were confused that is fine...but several people told him he was wrong.




PWO in the last 15 years of forums has almost always been post workout....and he wanted to know what carb source was best for repair and gains...which by definition is most certainly...post workout. So the answer would be....it doesn't matter...focus on amino's.

Fair enough, point taken.

 

[RecompMan]

Which is comparing apples to cannonballs....and often used to market carb mixes. Look! Magic Insulin! :lol:

I personally have a carb mixture that works wonders

 

[jswain34]

Which is fine by me because there are much better studies showing the effects of nutrient composition and timing.... What I don't like is a person being mocked and criticized for trying to support their argument with scientific accuracy....and when its done back, its just semantics. If we want to be accurate, then lets do it so that everyone gets a clearer picture of whats going on...because it seems many think replenishing glycogen quickly has some magical effect on protein synthesis rates (muscle repair and gains). It does not. The OP wanted the best carb source for muscle repair and lean gains....and instead of spending his money on a bottle of sugar we should point him to an effective amino/bcaa/protein product that will have a much better effect....because he seems to think carb source is actually important.

And i completely agree with all that you said. All I'm trying to say is the only criticism jiigz offered to the solution's post containing sources was the fact that it was done in a population that will have little carry over to weight trained individuals in a post workout scenario.

 

[Admin]

And i completely agree with all that you said. All I'm trying to say is the only criticism jiigz offered to the solution's post containing sources was the fact that it was done in a population that will have little carry over to weight trained individuals in a post workout scenario.

Agreed...although some diabetic studies actually have more relevance.

 

[JudoJosh]

Agreed...although some diabetic studies actually have more relevance.

Care to explain the relevance of the one jiggz mentioned? I briefly looked it over and it didn't appear to be all that relevant, but maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Admin]

Care to explain the relevance of the one jiggz mentioned? I briefly looked it over and it didn't appear to be all that relevant, but maybe I'm wrong.

Didn't have much. Some of the ones comparing insulin sensitivity to post exercise insulin sensitivity and its nullification of insulin resistance has relevance...but haven't read those in quite some time.

The Solution could have used better studies even though his points were pretty accurate.