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when will this end!!!!!

We plan on keeping this opportunity open for a bit longer. We appreciate everyone who has shown interest so far; we are also trying to reach many more who may possibly be interested. Thanks to everyone who's applied so far!
 
We plan on keeping this opportunity open for a bit longer. We appreciate everyone who has shown interest so far; we are also trying to reach many more who may possibly be interested. Thanks to everyone who's applied so far!

good deal man. just was wondering! i'll be out of contact for a few days and wanted to keep up.
 
Kre-alkalyn isn't any more bioavailable or effective than creatine monohydrate...


honestly, creatine is something of a mystery to me, since im a non-responder to it thus far. ive learned of a new source which im going to try. I never intend to try creatine monohydrate because ive seen the edema build guys will get at the 20g dose and I couldn't imagine any female liking that on me. people swear by kre alkalin though, and they aren't taking 20g doses of it to get there.
the idea of making a substance alkaline for better absorption was interesting to me, since the carbs of uncooked fruits are readily available due to their alkalinity/affinity to blood ph. I don't know if scifit, who make the krealkalin or protalin, made what they claimed to make; I saw reports that charges were brought up that products they said had ephedrine did not actually have it as discovered by the FDA, and now they aren't in business it seems. when they were selling, they didn't have a phone and never responded to emails; I would have the megasites that sell their stuff contact them for me and the megasite would respond saying scifit never got back to them.

I don't get what that's supposed to mean. The largest dalton size that can permeate the desmosome is about 9,200. If anything larger can get through, you have leaky gut syndrome. In that product write up(Game Day) it also says "Once in your blood stream the molecular weight acts complete opposite & digest very slow." I hope your blood isn't digesting things. :p

its interesting what you say about Dalton size, but there is SO MUCH literature on the difference between, say whey and casein on the benefits of bigger daltons.. all literature aside, there is a HUGE difference for me between a slow digesting protein and a fast one. but yeah, enzymes make it to the bloodsteam and they can digest protein there; you've seen those enzyme products people take for aches, like wobenzyme; those have a market for people with a lack of available enzymes to digest undigested protein particles. its not like you take a wobenzyme and it just sits in you bowels; rather, it savages your bloodsteam looking for particles to digest
 
honestly, creatine is something of a mystery to me, since im a non-responder to it thus far. ive learned of a new source which im going to try. I never intend to try creatine monohydrate because ive seen the edema build guys will get at the 20g dose and I couldn't imagine any female liking that on me. people swear by kre alkalin though, and they aren't taking 20g doses of it to get there.
the idea of making a substance alkaline for better absorption was interesting to me, since the carbs of uncooked fruits are readily available due to their alkalinity/affinity to blood ph. I don't know if scifit, who make the krealkalin or protalin, made what they claimed to make; I saw reports that charges were brought up that products they said had ephedrine did not actually have it as discovered by the FDA, and now they aren't in business it seems. when they were selling, they didn't have a phone and never responded to emails; I would have the megasites that sell their stuff contact them for me and the megasite would respond saying scifit never got back to them.

its interesting what you say about Dalton size, but there is SO MUCH literature on the difference between, say whey and casein on the benefits of bigger daltons.. all literature aside, there is a HUGE difference for me between a slow digesting protein and a fast one. but yeah, enzymes make it to the bloodsteam and they can digest protein there; you've seen those enzyme products people take for aches, like wobenzyme; those have a market for people with a lack of available enzymes to digest undigested protein particles. its not like you take a wobenzyme and it just sits in you bowels; rather, it savages your bloodsteam looking for particles to digest

You seem incredibly uninformed about some of the simplest things bro.


There is no need (literally zero) for a 20g dose of creatine mono. Almost every form besides mono is a worthless marketing gimmick, 3-5g a day of mono is it.
 
You seem incredibly uninformed about some of the simplest things bro.

There is no need (literally zero) for a 20g dose of creatine mono. Almost every form besides mono is a worthless marketing gimmick, 3-5g a day of mono is it.

Not orotine....
;-)
 
How would this compoare to glutamine and becaa peptides which are good for anabolism and recovery?
 
You seem incredibly uninformed about some of the simplest things bro.


There is no need (literally zero) for a 20g dose of creatine mono. Almost every form besides mono is a worthless marketing gimmick, 3-5g a day of mono is it.

well, I didn't claim creatine monohydrate at lesser dosages doesn't cause edema, and im not knocking it; ive been very open about how I haven't tried it, t and ive only steered clear of it because of the edema ive seen on people at gyms I work out (who were taking 20g doses) and the fact that ed byrd, the guy who invented creatine monohydrate is the one who knocks it when he introduced creatine ethyl ester. he said he didn't think the monohydrate form could enter the cells due to the body's inability to build enough carriers in the book he wrote, which led to the gathering of water outside of the cell, hence the edema. if it were inside the cell, storing water wouldn't be edema. it is entirely possible that I could take creatine monohydrate at the much more modest dose you suggested and experience the results people rave about
 
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Keep in mind that the loading phase is not necessary, although they did it for this study.

CEE is nonsense, Mono is (and for my money always will be) king.
 
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Keep in mind that the loading phase is not necessary, although they did it for this study.

CEE is nonsense, Mono is (and for my money always will be) king.


yeah, CEE is one of the forms ive tried. it did not cause any bloating but I didn't notice any benefit; others I know swear by CEE, so I have to wonder if there is something about my physiology that makes me a non-responder even when carriers are provided. creatine is the most researched supplement of all time, and the following it has is vast and undeniable.

creatine orotate is next on my list. so far, ive tried creatinol-0-phosphate, creatine akg, CEE, and conjugated creatine. of those, I responed best to Cakg which had an amino carrier in it. I honestly think my results are a thing with me, not the masses, but im going to keep experimenting
 
yeah, CEE is one of the forms ive tried. it did not cause any bloating but I didn't notice any benefit; others I know swear by CEE, so I have to wonder if there is something about my physiology that makes me a non-responder even when carriers are provided. creatine is the most researched supplement of all time, and the following it has is vast and undeniable.

creatine orotate is next on my list. so far, ive tried creatinol-0-phosphate, creatine akg, CEE, and conjugated creatine. of those, I responed best to Cakg which had an amino carrier in it. I honestly think my results are a thing with me, not the masses, but im going to keep experimenting

creatinol-o-phosphate is not creatine
 
yeah, CEE is one of the forms ive tried. it did not cause any bloating but I didn't notice any benefit; others I know swear by CEE, so I have to wonder if there is something about my physiology that makes me a non-responder even when carriers are provided. creatine is the most researched supplement of all time, and the following it has is vast and undeniable.
Are you sure you're just not expecting to much out of it?
 
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Keep in mind that the loading phase is not necessary, although they did it for this study.

CEE is nonsense, Mono is (and for my money always will be) king.

I used Mono back in the day. With EAS phosphagen. How come now- people dont do the loading phase. I have used it only once back in 1996 - it just gave me water weight.
 
How come now- people dont do the loading phase.

A lot of users get GI issues due to loading, and you get the same result of 3g a day for 30 days as you do +10g for 15 days. Benefit/potential GI issue just doesn't measure up for most people. I know the one time I tried to load (before I knew better) my stomach was a mess for days before I just stopped.
 
So who all has glanced at the page for PF3 for Nutra yet?

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**Keep in mind that all products pre-stock are not actual listed retail price aka that's not the actual price for PF3
 
Are you sure you're just not expecting to much out of it?
maybe. i take alot of stuff for endurance, so maybe the effect wouldve been more dramatic if i wasnt. i would be looking for more reps or increases in weight, which is what people tell me happens to them
 
creatinol-o-phosphate is not creatine
This.
Are you sure you're just not expecting to much out of it?
This.
A lot of users get GI issues due to loading, and you get the same result of 3g a day for 30 days as you do +10g for 15 days. Benefit/potential GI issue just doesn't measure up for most people. I know the one time I tried to load (before I knew better) my stomach was a mess for days before I just stopped.
And also this.


Some people don't respond to it. Most people that say they don't respond to it, just don't know what they're looking for from it.
 
maybe. i take alot of stuff for endurance, so maybe the effect wouldve been more dramatic if i wasnt. i would be looking for more reps or increases in weight, which is what people tell me happens to them

FWIW, the increase is not dramatic. But if one pays careful enough attention it can be noticeable.
 
creatinol-o-phosphate is not creatine
yeah. true its only similar, but it claims to raise phosphocreatine levels, and the effects they say to look for are very similar, so i figured i was headed the same direction by buying it. i will buy any form of creatine that makes a claim to no cramping or bloating, so im going to try oratine next
 
yeah. true its only similar, but it claims to raise phosphocreatine levels, and the effects they say to look for are very similar, so i figured i was headed the same direction by buying it. i will buy any form of creatine that makes a claim to no cramping or bloating, so im going to try oratate next

Give our Orotine a shot. It's capped creatine orotate, and relatively inexpensive for what it is. The effects of creatine aren't as dramatic as what companies would like you to believe, but trust me when I say it works. It's not going to automatically give you another 1-2 reps a set on every exercise after being on it for two weeks, but trust that it is working. Creatine is the most tried and true supplement there is on the market.

If creatine makes you cramp you aren't hydrating well enough.

This.
 
If creatine makes you cramp you aren't hydrating well enough.

Give our Orotine a shot. It's capped creatine orotate, and relatively inexpensive for what it is. The effects of creatine aren't as dramatic as what companies would like you to believe, but trust me when I say it works. It's not going to automatically give you another 1-2 reps a set on every exercise after being on it for two weeks, but trust that it is working. Creatine is the most tried and true supplement there is on the market.



This.

yeah. I drink like a gallon a day, so I should be fine there. while ive never gotten cramps from a creatine product, but i heard with DAA for exemple that cramps result from the undigested amount of the amino acid sitting in the GI tract from Patrick arnold. the reason the oratine is next on my list is because MAN made a claim that there is no bloat or cramps and i tend to navigate into any form that may be utilized more efficiently. im all about testing a claim and i like it when companies make them; claims have to be defended, and i appreciate any company that wants to put themselves out there. that said, i imagine more hydration would definitely help with soluability or at the least help to remove excess via urine
 
its interesting what you say about Dalton size, but there is SO MUCH literature on the difference between, say whey and casein on the benefits of bigger daltons.. all literature aside, there is a HUGE difference for me between a slow digesting protein and a fast one. but yeah, enzymes make it to the bloodsteam and they can digest protein there; you've seen those enzyme products people take for aches, like wobenzyme; those have a market for people with a lack of available enzymes to digest undigested protein particles. its not like you take a wobenzyme and it just sits in you bowels; rather, it savages your bloodsteam looking for particles to digest
Undigested protein does not pass the intestinal lining into the bloodstream unless you have leaky gut syndrome. All blood proteins are synthesized in the liver(except for IgG).
 
well, I've never viewed the intestinal lining as something that renders slow and fast absorbing protein sources equal in terms of how they act once theyre through. theres a lot going on with a slower-digesting protein after it reaches plasma. this study shows pretty clearly how casein made it through and behaved very differently from whey, stating that when the casein was studied from the plasma, they observed its breakdown was markedly inhibited compared to whey:



"For example, one study looked at both casein and whey protein absorption and the subsequent metabolic effects.iii In this study two labeled milk proteins, casein (CAS) and whey protein (WP), of different physicochemical properties were ingested as one single meal by healthy adults and postprandial whole body leucine kinetics were assessed.

WP induced a dramatic but short increase of plasma amino acids. CAS induced a prolonged plateau of moderate hyperaminoacidemia, probably because of a slow gastric emptying. Whole body protein breakdown was inhibited by 34% after CAS ingestion but not after WP ingestion. Postprandial protein synthesis was stimulated by 68% with the WP meal and to a lesser extent (+31%) with the CAS meal.

Under the conditions of this study, i.e., a single protein meal with no energy added, two dietary proteins were shown to have different metabolic fates and uses. After WP ingestion, the plasma appearance of dietary amino acids is fast, high, and transient.

This amino acid pattern is associated with an increased protein synthesis and oxidation and no change in protein breakdown. By contrast, the plasma appearance of dietary amino acids after a CAS meal is slower, lower, and prolonged with a different whole body metabolic response: protein synthesis slightly increases, oxidation is moderately stimulated, but protein breakdown is markedly inhibited."
 
well, I've never viewed the intestinal lining as something that renders slow and fast absorbing protein sources equal in terms of how they act once theyre through. theres a lot going on with a slower-digesting protein after it reaches plasma. this study shows pretty clearly how casein made it through and behaved very differently from whey, stating that when the casein was studied from the plasma, they observed its breakdown was markedly inhibited compared to whey:

"For example, one study looked at both casein and whey protein absorption and the subsequent metabolic effects.iii In this study two labeled milk proteins, casein (CAS) and whey protein (WP), of different physicochemical properties were ingested as one single meal by healthy adults and postprandial whole body leucine kinetics were assessed.

WP induced a dramatic but short increase of plasma amino acids. CAS induced a prolonged plateau of moderate hyperaminoacidemia, probably because of a slow gastric emptying. Whole body protein breakdown was inhibited by 34% after CAS ingestion but not after WP ingestion. Postprandial protein synthesis was stimulated by 68% with the WP meal and to a lesser extent (+31%) with the CAS meal.

Under the conditions of this study, i.e., a single protein meal with no energy added, two dietary proteins were shown to have different metabolic fates and uses. After WP ingestion, the plasma appearance of dietary amino acids is fast, high, and transient.

This amino acid pattern is associated with an increased protein synthesis and oxidation and no change in protein breakdown. By contrast, the plasma appearance of dietary amino acids after a CAS meal is slower, lower, and prolonged with a different whole body metabolic response: protein synthesis slightly increases, oxidation is moderately stimulated, but protein breakdown is markedly inhibited."

I feel like I'm back in college again:)
 
I feel like I'm back in college again:)

yeah, Vengence is pretty intelligent; anyone who goes beyond extant notation into thought and relevance, like he does, will be exponentially smarter. For me, everything comes down to that moment of trial and error when people take the supplement in question; of course, in the event of IGg, it's already got a track record of being used in the field of athletics, though the purity and price point with pf3 are very unique. for those reasons, the stuff really is going to be available to people besides hostipals and marathon runners with big nutritional budgets
 
yeah, Vengence is pretty intelligent; anyone who goes beyond extant notation into thought and relevance, like he does, will be exponentially smarter. For me, everything comes down to that moment of trial and error when people take the supplement in question; of course, in the event of IGg, it's already got a track record of being used in the field of athletics, though the purity and price point with pf3 are very unique. for those reasons, the stuff really is going to be available to people besides hostipals and marathon runners with big nutritional budgets

I just can't wait for PF3 to be released!
 
well, I've never viewed the intestinal lining as something that renders slow and fast absorbing protein sources equal in terms of how they act once theyre through. theres a lot going on with a slower-digesting protein after it reaches plasma. this study shows pretty clearly how casein made it through and behaved very differently from whey, stating that when the casein was studied from the plasma, they observed its breakdown was markedly inhibited compared to whey:
That's purely due to the appearance(digestion) rate of the amino acids in the blood. You can get the same effect as casein with whey if you take Invalid Link Removed. Although Invalid Link Removed shows the many small pulse doses of whey to be much better than casein(postprandial leucine balance).
 
When's this going down?
 
That's purely due to the appearance(digestion) rate of the amino acids in the blood. You can get the same effect as casein with whey if you take Invalid Link Removed. Although Invalid Link Removed shows the many small pulse doses of whey to be much better than casein(postprandial leucine balance).

ok. point taken. with casein at 30,000 daltons and being so much easier than downing whey obsessive compulsively throughout the day, pf3 at 160,000 is going to be interesting

I did see something called colostrum MAX; while this isn't anything like pf3, the liposomal delivery demonstrates a way to get big fat daltons into the bloodstream untouched by stomach acids or enzymes . that tells me there is at least one way to bypass a limitation on Dalton size.
im trying to wrap my head around pf3 acting as a "vacuum" for nearby nutrients, I know that a heavy protein is certainly going to have a pull on water, and more so the heavier it is, but that all may be totally unrelated to the claim. I vaguely remember usplabs saying their arginine nitrate was better absorbed than l-arginine due to the nitrate which pulls in all nutrients around it on account of its size ( I think they said because of its size). I cant take another look at the ad because the link to it in my email says the page is taken down.
 
The name. . .is Dalton.

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I thought you'd be bigger.
 
you know that blind musician in that refused to say he was going to "drain the main vein?" apparently, they made him say it anyway

Interesting. I did not know that.
 
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