dbrock504
Active member
This kinda ruffles my feathers because I was gonna run Arm1care on cycle but someone told me it limits gains and halo doesn't really aromatize anyways. More money spent...
Puffy nipples on Epi?
- Thread starter militarymuscl
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This kinda ruffles my feathers because I was gonna run Arm1care on cycle but someone told me it limits gains and halo doesn't really aromatize anyways. More money spent...
McCrew530
Well-known member
He is only saying that because it is good practice to have all your bases covered when running a cycle. It is better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
kolejorg
Member
Overkill should be the norm. If you don't have it you'll need it. If you have it and don't need it now you can use it later. As for not needing an ai on cycle it's all dependent on your body. I am fine on halo without. I know guys that got gyno 5 days into a solo epi run. Each body is different so please have a real ai on hand just in case.
dbrock504
Active member
I completely understand.
EatMoar
Well-known member
I don't give a **** what people say about a compound not aromatizing, sure it doesn't, then why do people getgyno? Stay safe use an AI, better protection than a jimmy.
kolejorg
Member
That's my thoughts exactly. There are way too many guys getting gyno on "safe" non aromatizing cycles. Either the product has changed or it's always been that way and people didn't realize it. Either way I'll run an ai on every cycle.
reps4jesus
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They still can increase estrogen.
LiveToLift
Legend
I'm down for the cause!
reps4jesus
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Lol no they only ban good things like gains and happiness.
LiveToLift
Legend
Protein and puppies are next on the list guaranteed
EatMoar
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I realize, any time test increases so does estrogen. Tits bro.
reps4jesus
Well-known member
True. Hdrol and epi don't increase test though man.
jbryand101b
Banned
I think he means androgens.
Htpa is all about maintaining androgen to estrogen balance.
SquatsAndOats
Active member
On another board I'm on a veteran member said that Epi can degrade chemically over time to PHERAPLEX or something that does aromatize. Idk how true or to what extent. Epi can also mess with prolactin that I know
jbryand101b
Banned
It's a 5a reduced androgen. No matter what it degrades to, aromatization is impossible.
SquatsAndOats
Active member
Interesting. Then my guess would be that there's something other than Epi in some of these bottles that's causing this
kolejorg
Member
I'm sure the science is good, what explains the gyno people are getting on cycle with halodrol or epi runs? I have a good friend that ended up with a nice lump under his left nipple during a solo halodrol run. Maybe he had it pre existing and the halodrol pissed it off, idk. But I know it does happen.
kolejorg
Member
I've thought that myself. There are a lot of threads here and other sites of people getting lumps on cycle. I get during pct, that may happen to anyone. But on cycle I don't think it should be an issue with a compound that doesn't aromatize.
EatMoar
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Ya that's what I was gonna say but it's so hot I feel the neurons in my brain starting to melt and decay.
jbryand101b
Banned
When androgens go up, the body will respond by increasing other hormones like estrogen, etc.
jbryand101b
Banned
The body is all about keeping equilibrium.
You can't ingest supraphysiological amounts of steroids, especially non aromatizing ones, and not expect things to get all messed up.
jaycuda
Well-known member
TransFORM. And we will have a hdrol coming out in future
jbryand101b
Banned
Yes, but everyone is different, some have no problems, others not so much.
If you can get away with no ai on cycle, that will be the best option.
jbryand101b
Banned
musclemaker
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hmm thats really strange because vital labs epi 2a3a says "anti-estrogen" right on the label... so one can only assume
kolejorg
Member
Yeaaa. Well. There's a lot of threads about epi being good for removing gyno. And in some people maybe so. But like with everything there are exceptions and people should plan for worst case scenarios on every cycle. A little pre planning will save a lot of heartache and money when things go south.
Godstrength
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I see more people getting gyno than getting rid of it with epi lol **** def aggrevated pre existing conditions when I tried it
Peppers
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Lmao Your not lying!
Peppers
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It's a plot from RC sites to buy letro, ralox and nolva lol
kolejorg
Member
Honestly, a lot of the Info on epi is second hand bro science. Anytime you mess with hormones your Body will try and maintain a balance. Epi isn't really any different. But gyno is one of those magical moments of suck. You either get it or don't. Some guys are prone to it and get it when they touch anything. Some guys will never get it. There's no logic but I guess that's just how it is
Godstrength
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Epistane does bring dry gains and does not aromatize.... It does not "convert" one hormone to another creating estrogen.... That's not bro science it's the fact of the compound. However that does NOT mean that spikes in hormone levels (androgens) will not cause your body to produce it's own estrogen.... That's why an AI is always recommended whether the said compound aromatizes or not. I believe short unstable active life of oral pro hormones, and constant spiking creates havoc where the body is trying to return to homeostasis.... Never finding any stability. This is why oils and esters are so much better. There no where near as toxic and create much more stability in the bloodstream.
I've never known anyone who messed with AAS for long enough, different compounds etc and did not at some point have some battle with e2 related sides including taking more ancillaries to avoid gyno..... I think if you play with hormones long enough it will happen.... It's all part of what we do and the risk taken. Cycle properly have plenty of ancillaries and know your body!!!! There no guarantee, ever
bert45
Banned
These epi clones have been tainted with either tren or alot of dhea or some other **** epi is not suppose to give anybody gyno. I never heard of people getting gyno from primo why should epi be any different? My lab rats must get gyno surgery now thanks to Shady sandy who sells her self by the sea shore.
Godstrength
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Read it..... States that epistane can reduce cases of pre existing gyno in "some" users... Also states ceasing Epistane use can cause gyno in pct..... Also sides on cycle puffy or sensitive nips, and we all know what that is lol..... No guarantee with any compound.... It's not tren or dhea causes gyno, it's most likely epistane
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Peppers
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I gotta search for it but there's a thread up on this issue. Epi doesn't cause rebound by itself, let me dig this one up. Another guy on here linked it to me while having a similar thread going. There's labs backing this one up.
LiveToLift
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For clarification. I will try and dig up the study that showed epi being used in China for anti-estrogen purposes. When I posted the study in the past jbry had realized that it was not the same structure as the epi that we run for ph purposes. Similar but just slightly off. This is the same study that was given to me by a very reputable company who was using it as proof of their product having such properties. After hearing case after case of "puffy nips" and "gyno after epi" it is my opinion that epi has no such AI property. Notice the amount of feedback on epi over dbol as far as gyno goes. When dbol is proven to cause issues with estrogen.
LiveToLift
Legend
Keep in mind some people run 500+test with 50mg dbol with no AI and come off scotch free. If I follow that protocol I come out with a pretty set of B's.
Peppers
Banned
Keep in mind some people run 500+test with 50mg dbol with no AI and come off scotch free. If I follow that protocol I come out with a pretty set of B's.
Totally agreed. I was just referring to this perticular person in this study. I don't believe anymore after having this conversation previously that Epi has any AI properties or that it can be used to prevent or treat gyno.
I got gyno on a dry cycle so I would have double d"s off of Dbol and Test. So your not the only one.
I'm interested to read that study of you can dig it up.
LiveToLift
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Japanese not Chinese. My bad
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jbryand101b
Banned
Everyone is different.
Hdrol always reduces gyno and removes symptoms. But only when I run it solo.
Hdrol always reduces gyno and removes symptoms. But only when I run it solo.
Peppers
Banned
When you say solo, a question pops up.
Have you noticed a difference when you run a dht? Or what are your thoughts on dht helping out situations surrounding gyno?
jbryand101b
Banned
Any 5a reduced compound I get gyno on, or it didn't help.
Example:
Test e: 500mg we
Mast p: 400mg we
Epistane: 40mg ed
Trenadione: 120mg ed
Worst gyno ever when I added Epi an tren
Could only run it for 2 weeks. Then spent all pct dealing with it.
Me an tren an 5a reduced compounds don't mix.
Example:
Test e: 500mg we
Mast p: 400mg we
Epistane: 40mg ed
Trenadione: 120mg ed
Worst gyno ever when I added Epi an tren
Could only run it for 2 weeks. Then spent all pct dealing with it.
Me an tren an 5a reduced compounds don't mix.
jbryand101b
Banned
Peppers
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jason267
Active member
Puffy nips are nothing to freak out about.
Sometimes while on a cycle, no matter what you are running, your nips will do some funky things...its just part of messing with your hormones.
And of course keep an AI on hand, etc.
But everyone freaking out about puffy nips on Epi or Halo...unless there are lumps under those nips, you are fine.
Should subside during or shortly after PCT.
Sometimes while on a cycle, no matter what you are running, your nips will do some funky things...its just part of messing with your hormones.
And of course keep an AI on hand, etc.
But everyone freaking out about puffy nips on Epi or Halo...unless there are lumps under those nips, you are fine.
Should subside during or shortly after PCT.