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PSMF - With a few sarms and a lot of faith and dedication

If your running into trouble on the first week of your diet then I think you need to rethink your strategy. The best diet anyone can do is the one they will stick to. I think your plan of two days low cal and then a maintenence day would be the way to go so you will have that to look forward to every couple of days and help keep you on track.
 
If your running into trouble on the first week of your diet then I think you need to rethink your strategy. The best diet anyone can do is the one they will stick to. I think your plan of two days low cal and then a maintenence day would be the way to go so you will have that to look forward to every couple of days and help keep you on track.
Well, having read the book years ago, I forgot about the section on electrolyte supplements. That's my own fault however it's a ****ty way to go about dieting to be honest.

I want to try it to say I could do something that I never thought I could do before.

And yes, I think if I go in 2-3 day bursts followed by a 250g carb refeed and a heavy upper/lower split with low volume (today's workout took me 30 minutes) then yep I'm in for a better ride.
 
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Well, having read the book years ago, I forgot about the section on electrolyte supplements...

Personally, I think books about dieting are only useful if you eat them -a chapter per day and the pics saving for a cheat meal.
 
Ostarine has benefits for partitioning macros but not as much as LGD-4033. The main benefits of ostarine are muscle retention as it isn't as anabolic as LGD-4033 or other more anabolic sarms.

The GH from mk 677 will be low dose, I am looking to get a two month supply and use it longer term.

At lower doses there are studies that show it to elevate GH levels almost as much as hugger doses, high doses give more igf1 which is better for muscle building, but elevated GH is good for fat building and retaining muscle.

As for the cardarine? That will help energy levels which I can't expect will be very good.

Also, cannot say I expect to see much scale movement as the mk 677 causes a lot of water retention.

Low dose Mk677 shouldnt have you holding water and you wont be eating carbs to even pull water in. Water weight is not going to be a worry... LGD would actually be better at retaining the muscle because it is more anabolic... If it is a better bulker then it is going to make you retain more mass... Just how it works... However nothing wrong with osta for this use since only trying to retain...

Well I mean bro that isn't that bad of a cheat haha but I know what you mean it starts to get to you. Have you thought about ec stack to go along with it? Imo impossible without doing something to curb appetite.

I'll give you that my friend it is insanely hard. Do you have a busy lifestyle or lots of free time?

Something's that helped me was also doing IF on it. Made it manageable lol.

It IS A HORRIBLE CHEAT, everything about that meal is WRONG for this diet. Might as well call that Day 0 because it was not part of a PSMF diet.

Sorry Southpaw if I sound like a big D, he took us through 10 pages of build up to walk out of this diet a few days in last time. Now he has blown the basic premise on Day 1 or 2... He needs some tough love to get through this time...

Finished a heavy workout. Very basic.

Incline bench
Shoulder press
Wide grip later pull down

All 3x8 scheme

With this diet, you aren't working out hard. At all. The point is that you don't need to.

From the book:

Studies routinely show that both volume (number of sets, amount of aerobic training done) and frequency (days/week) can be cut back significantly (by up to 2/3rds) as long as intensity (weight on the bar, speed) is maintained. Given those parameters, performance can be maintained for many weeks.
If you’re as overtrained as most athletes, cutting back on your training during a crash diet will act as a minitaper, you might even show some improvement. But don’t hold your breath.
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This means you should lift as heavy as you do normally with less volume it does not mean do an all 3x8 reps scheme... you want to save the performance lift heavy now but about half the sets as normal... Intensity should be high and volume low. Think 1 upper push workout, 1 lower workout, and 1 upper pull workout a week hitting 3x5 work sets maybe 2 exercises per body part. That way frequency and volume are much lower but you are maintaining performance and strength levels. If your body doesn't think it needs to maintain muscle tissue for heavy lifting I promise it will decide to get rid of it even on a PSMF. Its about efficiency and specificity...

Well, having read the book years ago, I forgot about the section on electrolyte supplements. That's my own fault however it's a ****ty way to go about dieting to be honest.

I want to try it to say I could do something that I never thought I could do before.

And yes, I think if I go in 2-3 day bursts followed by a 250g carb refeed and a heavy upper/lower split with low volume (today's workout took me 30 minutes) then yep I'm in for a better ride.
After the last time you are coming back to do another round but did not reread the book again?

Are you going to do a damn PSMF or not man??? I really want to see you do this and succeed, if for nothing else so you can beleive in yourself. You obviously need this. Start by doing it right and just for 2 weeks then if you can go farther. Also there are ZERO refeeds until after the first 2 weeks co no you will NOT have had 3 refeeds by the 20 day mark, at that point you will have only had 1 at the end of the initial 2 weeks.

C'Mon man do this damn thing right!!!

For anyone else interested this diet works quite well when done correctly. Even for someone who is not obese it works quite well. Hopefully stevencfitnes will do it correctly this time and show everyone that it is not only an option but a good one when used properly and with things tuned in correctly.

C'Mon Steven, you came back here for a reason. You knew us pain in the asses would come and hold you accountable. Not start this thing over today and do it correctly that first day with poptarts and nonsense DOES NOT COUNT!!!! Lets do this bro. I can't be the only guy on here to finish this thing... Do it, but do it right, it is 2 weeks until a refeed you can make it! DO IT RIGHT!!!!!
 
Will do my best.

Woke up Saturday morning with my annual flu, so I took a few days off to rest, I also got a new supplier for mk 677 which is 20mg vs the 12.5 from my first source.

Holy cow the difference between the 12.5 and the 20 is something else!

Either way, I'll get back on the horse today and do my best here.

I'll be monitoring performance in terms of mental output at work as it's clutch time for my finances.

If I can make it there, Christmas day can serve as a refeed.
 
Will do my best.

Woke up Saturday morning with my annual flu, so I took a few days off to rest, I also got a new supplier for mk 677 which is 20mg vs the 12.5 from my first source.

Holy cow the difference between the 12.5 and the 20 is something else!

Either way, I'll get back on the horse today and do my best here.

I'll be monitoring performance in terms of mental output at work as it's clutch time for my finances.

If I can make it there, Christmas day can serve as a refeed.

Look man, not trying to be a turd here, and this is just me being honest and trying to offer you a little life balance as well...

If you are going to do this you need to be committed. YOu have too many other things going on right now to commit to a PSMF.... You just said that you will be monitoring performance based on mental output at work because this is clutch time for your finances. Man set your priorities correctly... Your finances should be far more important than physique goals!!!!

FORGET THE PSMF right now. If it is clutch time for your finances eat your damn wheaties and make your damn money!!!! Your woman loves you and doesn't give two flying craps if you come to her 5lbs lighter, and lets be real you are coming back from this heavier than when you leave regardless from enjoying yourself with her. So you make a huge sacrifice for a body you will be sporting for maybe a week before you revert back.

FORGET THAT!!! GO GET YOUR MONEY!!!! Forget this for right now and come back when you don't have extenuating circumstances and crunch time at your work... You already said you are behind the 8 ball at work. This isn't the time for something this intense and strict...

Hit yourself a serious deficit, this being a crash diet I would say 700-1000 cal deficit and go carb free other than 100-150g of fast acting carbs about 1 hour post workout. Workout 3-4 times a week lifting, preferably full body and 3x15 hard reps to deplete glycogen. Keep all movements explosive to keep insulin sensitivity maxed out. On off days stay keto keeping carbs less than 50g and I would start every day off with some eggs and 1 tbsp of coconut oil to keep mental acuity going nicely.
 
Look man, not trying to be a turd here, and this is just me being honest and trying to offer you a little life balance as well...

FORGET THAT!!! GO GET YOUR MONEY!!!! Forget this for right now and come back when you don't have extenuating circumstances and crunch time at your work... You already said you are behind the 8 ball at work. This isn't the time for something this intense and strict...

Hit yourself a serious deficit, this being a crash diet I would say 700-1000 cal deficit and go carb free other than 100-150g of fast acting carbs about 1 hour post workout. Workout 3-4 times a week lifting, preferably full body and 3x15 hard reps to deplete glycogen. Keep all movements explosive to keep insulin sensitivity maxed out. On off days stay keto keeping carbs less than 50g and I would start every day off with some eggs and 1 tbsp of coconut oil to keep mental acuity going nicely.

To be honest, this wasn't even supposed to be hard to make money this next few weeks until something came up last week that threw a monkey wrench into it(in terms of physically where I do my sales job) but I didn't want to go and quit again like I did the last time

Honestly, your advice is the best in the last paragraph I guess I'll just do that and I'll post up here how it turns out for the next few weeks
 
Look man, not trying to be a turd here, and this is just me being honest and trying to offer you a little life balance as well...

If you are going to do this you need to be committed. YOu have too many other things going on right now to commit to a PSMF.... You just said that you will be monitoring performance based on mental output at work because this is clutch time for your finances. Man set your priorities correctly... Your finances should be far more important than physique goals!!!!

FORGET THE PSMF right now. If it is clutch time for your finances eat your damn wheaties and make your damn money!!!! Your woman loves you and doesn't give two flying craps if you come to her 5lbs lighter, and lets be real you are coming back from this heavier than when you leave regardless from enjoying yourself with her. So you make a huge sacrifice for a body you will be sporting for maybe a week before you revert back.

FORGET THAT!!! GO GET YOUR MONEY!!!! Forget this for right now and come back when you don't have extenuating circumstances and crunch time at your work... You already said you are behind the 8 ball at work. This isn't the time for something this intense and strict...

Hit yourself a serious deficit, this being a crash diet I would say 700-1000 cal deficit and go carb free other than 100-150g of fast acting carbs about 1 hour post workout. Workout 3-4 times a week lifting, preferably full body and 3x15 hard reps to deplete glycogen. Keep all movements explosive to keep insulin sensitivity maxed out. On off days stay keto keeping carbs less than 50g and I would start every day off with some eggs and 1 tbsp of coconut oil to keep mental acuity going nicely.
If anything, I'll see a little bit tighter physique either way, should look less sloppy.

I'll probably feel pretty great too.

Other than morning food, I actually fast for the day and eat post workout so that falls nicely into the outline.

I'll find a full body routine but I have an idea already using lyle McDonald's full body tension workout but I can up weights to get heavier and to within a rep of failure.
 
If anything, I'll see a little bit tighter physique either way, should look less sloppy.

I'll probably feel pretty great too.

Other than morning food, I actually fast for the day and eat post workout so that falls nicely into the outline.

I'll find a full body routine but I have an idea already using lyle McDonald's full body tension workout but I can up weights to get heavier and to within a rep of failure.

Nice, and I think you will actually like hitting up 4-6 eggs and 1tbsp of Coconut Oil, starts the morning off by getting you some protein synthesis kicking off as well as supplying the body some MCT's both of these things while limiting insulin response if going to give your body a nice boost into the fat burning zone. I have done the 12 hour / 2 meals a day fast before and enjoyed it too.

You can obviously go with full on IF and not do the meals ahead of time but I think if you want mental acuity and not down time trying to get to it then the CCO is going to be beneficial here. If not that worried about it then just do the fasting as normal and just add in the post workout carbs 1 hour post workout.
 
Nice, and I think you will actually like hitting up 4-6 eggs and 1tbsp of Coconut Oil, starts the morning off by getting you some protein synthesis kicking off as well as supplying the body some MCT's both of these things while limiting insulin response if going to give your body a nice boost into the fat burning zone. I have done the 12 hour / 2 meals a day fast before and enjoyed it too.

You can obviously go with full on IF and not do the meals ahead of time but I think if you want mental acuity and not down time trying to get to it then the CCO is going to be beneficial here. If not that worried about it then just do the fasting as normal and just add in the post workout carbs 1 hour post workout.
Here's how that played out. It isn't a super strict keto day, don't care as much just wanted to keep carbs down. Invalid Link Removed
 
Here's how that played out. It isn't a super strict keto day, don't care as much just wanted to keep carbs down. Invalid Link Removed

Nice, if you wanted to be a little more aggressive then try 100g of fats on off days. You wan't be training so you can have a bigger deficit here if you want to be a little more aggressive. Will get you right around 1800 on off days. I would also just alternate every other day as a training day.

By the way one of the best recomps I had was a mix of something similar to this but far more aggressive on the burn days and more aggressive on the build days.

I ran 2800-3000 on Build days with training in the AM, was done by 6:00AM, and then I broke my fast at Noon. I would have aminos every 2 hours between the end of my workout and my fast breaker on those days. My Burn days were a 20 hour fast minimum, and my calories would be anywhere from 900-1500 all in one meal with no more than 100g of carbs for the day. I always had energy, gained some LBM, and leaned up as quickly as if I were cutting.

In my experience this keeps you pretty metabolically flexible and you aren't going to experience muscular catabolism on your off days with a set up like this.
 
Here's how that played out. It isn't a super strict keto day, don't care as much just wanted to keep carbs down. Invalid Link Removed

You know, I was struggling with so called "designed diets" too. Like you (and many others) OVERTHINKING it, making plans, weight my plates, counted calories and macross.
Turned out, this was not for me. What works for me is 1 meal a day after workout. With plenty of carbs on "on" days -and low/zero carbs on "off" days.
Counting roughly proteins, nothing more. Meal size varies. After perceived good workouts, meal = bigger AND with a treat, like a frozen yogurt. If the workout was "meh" = a plain meal and an apple.
Food as a reward = works for me. No more planing and difficult templates -and overthinking it.

No more:

Following plan A to B, happy in monotony.
-Faderhead-
 
Nice, if you wanted to be a little more aggressive then try 100g of fats on off days. You wan't be training so you can have a bigger deficit here if you want to be a little more aggressive. Will get you right around 1800 on off days. I would also just alternate every other day as a training day.

Sure, but I'm not following... If I upped fats like that I'd have to drop carbs to nearly zero.

40g more fats = 360 calories extra.
50g carbs = 200 calories

I'm absolutely up for what works.

By the way one of the best recomps I had was a mix of something similar to this but far more aggressive on the burn days and more aggressive on the build days.

I ran 2800-3000 on Build days with training in the AM, was done by 6:00AM, and then I broke my fast at Noon. I would have aminos every 2 hours between the end of my workout and my fast breaker on those days. My Burn days were a 20 hour fast minimum, and my calories would be anywhere from 900-1500 all in one meal with no more than 100g of carbs for the day. I always had energy, gained some LBM, and leaned up as quickly as if I were cutting.

In my experience this keeps you pretty metabolically flexible and you aren't going to experience muscular catabolism on your off days with a set up like this.

The ostarine will play a role as will the mk 677 too for me.

That sounds pretty solid there. I always train in the evenings, I can do an upper lower split too if every other day.
 
You know, I was struggling with so called "designed diets" too. Like you (and many others) OVERTHINKING it, making plans, weight my plates, counted calories and macross.
Turned out, this was not for me. What works for me is 1 meal a day after workout. With plenty of carbs on "on" days -and low/zero carbs on "off" days.
Counting roughly proteins, nothing more. Meal size varies. After perceived good workouts, meal = bigger AND with a treat, like a frozen yogurt. If the workout was "meh" = a plain meal and an apple.
Food as a reward = works for me. No more planing and difficult templates -and overthinking it.

No more:

-Faderhead-

You definitely have to go with the diet that works for you and that diet definitely works for you. Even if it isn't the best diet there is, it does what you want it to do without a lot of fanfare and is very convenient which is also one of the things my diets do better on. I love planning things, I don't like organization... or should I say I am organizationally challenged. This is why I mentioned the Build and Burn day mentality which is basically what you are doing just less calories per day. With it being less calories a day it makes it even more forgiving to get in some treats too which makes it far easier to follow.

My plan was very similar to yours, just more calorie dense. So a few more methods of tracking, AKA carb intake and whatnot were done on my Build days. My burn / off days were one meal, and always lower carb. Doing something like that does not require calorie tracking and if you just want s nice beach body with some muscle and abs you can definitely get one without counting doing it that way.
 
Sure, but I'm not following... If I upped fats like that I'd have to drop carbs to nearly zero.

40g more fats = 360 calories extra.
50g carbs = 200 calories

I'm absolutely up for what works.



The ostarine will play a role as will the mk 677 too for me.

That sounds pretty solid there. I always train in the evenings, I can do an upper lower split too if every other day.

I meant drop fats to 100 on your off days. You have them at 125, so dropping them to 100 would drop 225 calories off for that day. 2025-225=1800cals if you make no other adjustments.
 
works for me.

This is the key, everyone thinks that because a nutrition plan (not a fan of the word diet for anything other than a planned short term way of eating such as comp prep, for anything with a longer term sustainability requirement I think ‘diet’ gives some people the wrong mentality from the off), worked for someone else that’s the only way to achieve the same results.

Everybody reacts differently to food/Marcos or ways of eating. Understanding the core principles about what each macronutrient does, how the body uses what we put in it but then finding a way of eating that;

- works for you
- moves you towards your goals
- is sustainable

Is what it’s about. Having the gonads to trust your own thinking on this is tough but essential.....
 
You definitely have to go with the diet that works for you and that diet definitely works for you. Even if it isn't the best diet there is, it does what you want it to do without a lot of fanfare and is very convenient which is also one of the things my diets do better on. I love planning things, I don't like organization... or should I say I am organizationally challenged. This is why I mentioned the Build and Burn day mentality which is basically what you are doing just less calories per day. With it being less calories a day it makes it even more forgiving to get in some treats too which makes it far easier to follow.

My plan was very similar to yours, just more calorie dense. So a few more methods of tracking, AKA carb intake and whatnot were done on my Build days. My burn / off days were one meal, and always lower carb. Doing something like that does not require calorie tracking and if you just want s nice beach body with some muscle and abs you can definitely get one without counting doing it that way.

I was merely pointing to the obvious. Apparently, all the templates, powders and calculations may stimulate more stevencfitnes 's brain -than fat cells. Instead of dropping the towel after a few cheats, wouldn't it be better to simplify it and just fast on the days he don't cheat? :)
 
This is the key, everyone thinks that because a nutrition plan (not a fan of the word diet for anything other than a planned short term way of eating such as comp prep, for anything with a longer term sustainability requirement I think ‘diet’ gives some people the wrong mentality from the off), worked for someone else that’s the only way to achieve the same results.

Everybody reacts differently to food/Marcos or ways of eating. Understanding the core principles about what each macronutrient does, how the body uses what we put in it but then finding a way of eating that;

- works for you
- moves you towards your goals
- is sustainable

Is what it’s about. Having the gonads to trust your own thinking on this is tough but essential.....
You are giving more and more reasons to like Whisky! It's not just for shots any more!

When I ran the PSMF diet initially I had a lot of people get on and tell me it was a horrible idea. None of them had Lyle's credentials though so I grabbed my gonads and went for it!!!! I am always trying new things when it comes to nutrition. I find the more principles I can find to apply very conveniently gives me much better success.

As far as doing what works for you simplicity is more maintainable for me than detailed. However if I can make it both detailed and simple then I really do well. When I did my comp most of my meals were exactly the same all the way through my 20 week prep... Just because doing the exact same thing daily was simpler... Only difference were the meals got smaller as I went along.


I was merely pointing to the obvious. Apparently, all the templates, powders and calculations may stimulate more stevencfitnes 's brain -than fat cells. Instead of dropping the towel after a few cheats, wouldn't it be better to simplify it and just fast on the days he don't cheat? :)
Yes, just doing what is maintainable is much better than a detailed program you can not stick with.
 
Skimmed through and seeing lots of negative things about psmf. Lol No doubt by people that never tried it. I've done it more then once. It works great. "But bro you will lose all your gainz" ha Not even close to true. I did it while doing demolition all day and it was not that big of a deal.
 
Skimmed through and seeing lots of negative things about psmf. Lol No doubt by people that never tried it. I've done it more then once. It works great. "But bro you will lose all your gainz" ha Not even close to true. I did it while doing demolition all day and it was not that big of a deal.
Yeah this is true, but I guess if you don't run up by telling people all about it and then just tell him you eating nothing they do have a good point if they don't understand it
 
Skimmed through and seeing lots of negative things about psmf. Lol No doubt by people that never tried it. I've done it more then once. It works great. "But bro you will lose all your gainz" ha Not even close to true. I did it while doing demolition all day and it was not that big of a deal.

Yes people often don't understand that there are intricacies at work that may make something very bad for someone in the long run, but can be extremely beneficial acutely, like this type of diet.

Certainly you will lose your muscle mass, and cause some damage to your metabolism if you were to adopt this eating strategy full time!!!! However that is not the point of this strategy, and the time frame is what takes this from a healthy kick start to a fat loss plan, to a poor long term nutrition strategy...
 
Yes people often don't understand that there are intricacies at work that may make something very bad for someone in the long run, but can be extremely beneficial acutely, like this type of diet.

Certainly you will lose your muscle mass, and cause some damage to your metabolism if you were to adopt this eating strategy full time!!!! However that is not the point of this strategy, and the time frame is what takes this from a healthy kick start to a fat loss plan, to a poor long term nutrition strategy...

I would never do it full time, but I would never do the 1000 day deficit followed by 800 day deficit full-time either like I'm going to do for the next few weeks long term either.

Dieting is controlled starvation. Period!
 
I would never do it full time, but I would never do the 1000 day deficit followed by 800 day deficit full-time either like I'm going to do for the next few weeks long term either.

Dieting is controlled starvation. Period!

Now the nutrition plan I followed doing my recomp can most definitely be done full time. It is basically just what most would call a lifestyle diet. Have a seriously deep deficit some days and balance it with a nice surplus on training days and you can stay pretty consistent as well as healthy. The difference there is that the extremes aren't as extreme, and alternating back and forth keeps you from becoming inflexible in how you deal with nutrients. Keeps you pretty efficient in both anabolism, and fat burning because you are flipping the switch regularly.
 
Now the nutrition plan I followed doing my recomp can most definitely be done full time. It is basically just what most would call a lifestyle diet. Have a seriously deep deficit some days and balance it with a nice surplus on training days and you can stay pretty consistent as well as healthy. The difference there is that the extremes aren't as extreme, and alternating back and forth keeps you from becoming inflexible in how you deal with nutrients. Keeps you pretty efficient in both anabolism, and fat burning because you are flipping the switch regularly.
Sure, if you have to calories a little bit but running a large deficit 800 to a thousand calories a day every day isn't that sustainable for most people.

I would say however though that template can be used pretty well for anything and it looks pretty flexible it's basically just a basic Leangains intermittent fasting type thing
 
Sure, if you have to calories a little bit but running a large deficit 800 to a thousand calories a day every day isn't that sustainable for most people.

I would say however though that template can be used pretty well for anything and it looks pretty flexible it's basically just a basic Leangains intermittent fasting type thing

Kind of yeah, just longer fasts on off days than he recommends, and a much deeper deficit on off days. LG he is about some more specifics on certain things, he does not think there should be as big of a caloric swing as what I am recommending. Although most of the reasons he sights have to do with convenience and hunger than effect. He also believes that you should work within your circadian rhythms by breaking the fasts at the same time each day and to always do this so you do not get hungry during the fast until it is time to eat. Also with mine I may, or may not fast on a Build day. I might wake up and choose to become anabolic for the entire day and start eating upon waking.

I do tend to go with Build and Burn days with most of my dietary strategies whether based in IF, or all day eating I find that this alternating effect is something I do really well with.
 
Kind of yeah, just longer fasts on off days than he recommends, and a much deeper deficit on off days. LG he is about some more specifics on certain things, he does not think there should be as big of a caloric swing as what I am recommending. Although most of the reasons he sights have to do with convenience and hunger than effect. He also believes that you should work within your circadian rhythms by breaking the fasts at the same time each day and to always do this so you do not get hungry during the fast until it is time to eat. Also with mine I may, or may not fast on a Build day. I might wake up and choose to become anabolic for the entire day and start eating upon waking.

I do tend to go with Build and Burn days with most of my dietary strategies whether based in IF, or all day eating I find that this alternating effect is something I do really well with.
Well I'm on a defecit both days. I'm around 17% bodyfat. I don't think I heed any build days.

You know? What do you think?
 
Basically I went through about 2-3 years of Intermittent fasting starting with Lean Gains and then adopted other IF methods, and applied knowledge I had from other systems and research into what worked very well for me while keeping things pretty simple. I found that there are tons of ways to adjust to get what you wanted out of IF, or any other nutritional strategy. For me to recomp the build and burn method has been my best and most convenient tool to do so. That is whether I am using IF, or high frequency feedings.
 
Well I'm on a defecit both days. I'm around 17% bodyfat. I don't think I heed any build days.

You know? What do you think?

No you are good right now, the build stuff was just conversation in general about how I set that stuff up, and came to like the strategy for it's simplicity and the fact it allows your body to focus on doing one thing well at a time like burning fat, or building muscle. You can group 100 build days and overshoot with fat, or group 100 burn days and burn too much muscle in the process, or you can flip the switch on an almost daily basis and stay efficient at doing both all of the time with far less likelihood to overshoot in either direction...
 
Yes people often don't understand that there are intricacies at work that may make something very bad for someone in the long run, but can be extremely beneficial acutely, like this type of diet.

Certainly you will lose your muscle mass, and cause some damage to your metabolism if you were to adopt this eating strategy full time!!!! However that is not the point of this strategy, and the time frame is what takes this from a healthy kick start to a fat loss plan, to a poor long term nutrition strategy...
. Yes it is a great kick start. I'm extremely lean right now and even though I'm bulking I plan on doing for 7 to 10 days at the 3 month mark. I'm going to experiment with doing it every few months for short time periods to see how lean I can stay year round. First time I did it it was only 800 calories of egg whites. Went from 245 to a pretty lean 212. After that I went to 2000 calories for a week then 2500 for Awhile. I'm at 3100 right now. Another few weeks I'll do psmf but probably higher calories then last time. Probably 1500 of straight protein.
 
. Yes it is a great kick start. I'm extremely lean right now and even though I'm bulking I plan on doing for 7 to 10 days at the 3 month mark. I'm going to experiment with doing it every few months for short time periods to see how lean I can stay year round. First time I did it it was only 800 calories of egg whites. Went from 245 to a pretty lean 212. After that I went to 2000 calories for a week then 2500 for Awhile. I'm at 3100 right now. Another few weeks I'll do psmf but probably higher calories then last time. Probably 1500 of straight protein.

Nice, and wow how long did you run it to get to 212?

I can actually see this as a decent 7-10 day mini cut in the middle of a bulk for keeping leaner and also re-sensitizing to insulin which helps with the anabolism when you go back to bulking.
 
So is this still a thing, or did you give up already
 
I guess I am weird huh? I find the PSMF, if we'll planned, to be about as easy as it gets...i mean...how do you overthink eating under 1000 calories a day?

But I think part of the issue, and why I did it in my log - look at the first page. Look at how much flack the guy got. People have to face a lot of fears to undertake this, that in itself is a challenge. Then they face those fears and now they have to face all these people basically calling them stupid, crqxy, unhealthy, etc. Like the diet isn't hard enough that you need to have all this crap from people to go with it. It wasn't until page 3 really that people who actually know what they are talking about started trying to help.

In the end, people all want to do something that they didn't think they can do, but they don't want to DO it. They don't want to give what it takes. They get hungry or tired or things get hard and they give up.

And the thing is, that's fine. You don't want it bad enough. I've been on both sides. I've given in more than I have fought through. The good news is, you only have to find it in you to fight through once and then you have an achievement no one can take and everyone remembers. But until you fight through, all anyone remembers is the failures. We all fail. So what?
 
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