Proposed cutting cycle

gryse

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hey guys, ive been reading and researching for a while about aas and how they work so here is my proposed first cycle, just need to fine tune and gather ingredients.
Since this is my first time, ive read that first timers should run 10 week cycles, is there any credit to that?
basically the situation is this, i am 5'10", 175 @ 13% b/f. i want to cut my bodyfat, not weight, this obviously can be done by greatly increasing my lbm while not increasing my bodyfat, this is my goal, not particularly to loose massive amount of body fat, but to increase my lbm so that it effectively looks that way.

stats:5'10", 175 @ 13% b/f.
wk1-8: 150mgs eod test prop
wk2-8: 75mgs ed fina
wk6-pct: clen (not sure of dosage, could someone help here)

wk8-12(pct): nolva (2wks @ 60/ 2wks @ 40)
wk8-12(pct): clomid (not sure of dosage maybe 50-75mg)

considering my stats, would anyone be able to recommend an approximate diet split like 40/40/20 (just an example and not what i plan on unless that is the best). right now im in keto and it has worked well to get the bf down while sparring muscle.

with fina ive read that the gains are small but quality gains and will keep well if cals are maintained after the cycle.

so my questions are this:
1) - is test prop @ 150 eod and fina @ 75 ed good cutting gear for somone @ 5'9", 175 @ 13% b/f? i know that the diet makes it a cut or bulk so next Q

2) - what would be the optimal diet for gaining mass while gaining minimal b/f in the process? and a breakdown of fat/carb/prot would be nice:)

3) - the most important thing to me is pct and i have no means of HCG so i will have to live with clomid and nolvadex, so are the doses and duration correct and is there anything otc i can add to assist in recovery?

4) - LAST Q can i take finasteride during my cycle or reserve for pct and does it hinder gains?

lastly, thanks guys for helping me out, the info ive gained from this board already is awesome and i can only learn more. so help me out if you get the chance. thanks
 
First off fina isn't ideal for a first cycle. skip it. If your going to run it anyway half that dose is recomended, about 75mg EOD not ED. but agin its not a newbie drug. Test prop is great. I love it. I also like sticking myself. Until your sure you do to use longer esters. Test E or Cyp is standard for first timers. There is a reason for this. For that matter I like neo test (test deca) to run with EQ or Nand deca.

The ratios are over rated IMO. Eat a clean high protien diet that includes at least 5 meals a day (eat some hear and there, actual meals aren't practical in a normal days routine). When your on gear you are going to have to eat until your sick. If your cutting your still going to have to eat a lot. There is a **** load of info in the nutrition and diet section. spend a couple of days reading in there and you'll be set.

You can get HCG online via online pharms. you will pay for it though as it cost about twice as much. but really if you can get gear then you can get HCG. but for the cycle I am recomending you don't need it but it doesn't hurt.

That last question is like asking if nolvadex reduces your gains. Do you really care? I don't want tits and you don't want to lose your hair. If I had the problem I would rather get half the gains and keep the hair. If your taking it for your prostate then skip the gear.In all likelihood you probably will not be able to tell the differnce.

I am making an asmption here that your diet and training (several years hopefully) are dialed in and your ready to take the plunge.

500mg a week of test deca weeks 1 to 14
(this can be replaced with 400mg a week test cyp or e for 1 to 15)
400mg a week of EQ weeks 1 to 14
10mg nolvadex ed for 1 to 16
Start PCT week 17 with 40mg nolvadex ed for 2 weeks then 20mg a day for another 2 weeks.

HCG can be add and would speed recovery.
 
FYI prop shots hurt like a biotch. I was thinking of running a cutting cycle with prop next year but after this experience I am seriously reconsidering. Also don't want to mix a whole bunch of stuff on your first cycle. I've heard from friends and on many boards that fina makes you extremely aggressive, and you don't want to take that chance if you are prone to it. Stay safe and run a bread and butter first cycle.
 
thanks for the replies so far guys, its really appreciated. your right i will absolutely not start my cycle until everything is ready and in front of me checked off my list, i dont want to get halfway through and find out i need somehthing else. (at least i want to miniminze this). okay so HCG can be gotten through online pharmacies. cool i didnt know that, ive tried but they say they need a free online consult and that turns me off most times. as far as the gear i picked, i picked them b/c they can be bought legally in pill form. i dont have access to real gear (well, dirty underground labs gear but i dont trust that, im smart so i would trust myself converting it as i have my own personal interests and health in mind). but again thanks so far for the response!
 
well in that case if that is what you can get then thats it. I would do something like this then.
75mg test base ed for weeks 1 to 6
40mg fina ed for weeks 1 to 6.
PCT

You can run this longer if you want and this can all go in one cc for a once a day shot. (notice the short cycle length) If you need any help on the conversion let me know but lots of info here: Invalid Link Removed
 
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