Proper use of HCG

[CrazyChemist]

Hi All - So I just finished a cycle and I'm almost done with PCT and I guess I been listening to the wrong people for advice on HCG. I thought it was used in PCT to jump start the testes. It makes sense to me now that HCG is suppressive to the bodies own LH level on its own and that, by extension, it makes more sense to use it during the end of the cycle before PCT. Now here is the left over gear I have for my next cycle (probably be around the end of July or August):

Sustanon (250mg/ml x 20ml)
Primobolan (50mg tabs x 50)
Winstrol (50mg/ml x 8ml)

I also have:

HCG (4 amps of 5000iu each)
Nolva (10mg x 100)
Clomid (50mg x 30)

My thinking is this:
Wk. 1-8: Sustanon (250mg every 3 days)
Wk. 9-10: Winstol (100mg/wk) and Primobolan (100mg/day)
Wk 11: Nolva (60mg/day) and Clomid (100mg/day)
Wk 12: Nolva (40mg/day) and Clomid (100mg/day)
Wk 13: Nolva (20mg/day) and Clomid (50mg/day)
Wk 14: Nolva (10mg/day) and Clomid (25mg/day)

So my question is 1)Where do I fit in the HCG? and 2)since it is in ampules of 5000iu, is there a way to split up the dosages so I get the dose more evenly?

 

[EasyEJL]

it is suppressive to the bodies own LH over time. That doesn't mean that with the first couple of days of use it will suppress LH, but it will increase natural test production

 

[CrazyChemist]

so when should i use it?

 

[EasyEJL]

well, thats like asking how you use testosterone. so there are lots of possibilities.

PCT Protocol(s):

1.) 1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

2.) 1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for an additional 3 weeks.

3.) 1,500 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

4.) 1,500 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 100 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 50 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

Option one can be considered as a standard PCT protocol. This should apply to all basic cycles. Option 2 is generally the same as option one except for the addition of Clomid which is added as a supporting recovery aid. Option three and four incorporate a higher HCG dosage and have a relationship similar to options one and two in the sense that Clomid is incorporated in the latter as a supporting recovery aid.

*The majority of my experience is with intermediate to advanced athletes whom have completed multiple cycles with higher dosages. Therefore, based upon previous blood work results and considering the common or convenient preparations available, we have established that 1,500 IUs 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) to be the optimal HCG dosage to begin with. The Nolvadex dosage remains unchanged however Clomid is utilized throughout the entire PCT at 100 mgs ED during the first 3 weeks and 50 mgs ED for the last 3 weeks.

3 weeks of moderately high HCG will likely not suppress LH significantly. You could even go slightly lower if you wanted, but 1000 iu isn't bad.

 

[EasyEJL]

heres a study done as well...

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[CrazyChemist]

Wow thanks Easy - I like the study. So HCG is to be used in PCT but not for a long period of time, yes? So for my next cycle the HCG should be taken 3x/wk at 1000iu each for weeks 11,12,13 and also I should cut back the nolva and clomid those weeks and then do another 3 weeks of nolva and clomid.

 

[EasyEJL]

its one of the options. The deep studies are still in sort of infancy as there are so many possible variations. using hcg the last couple weeks of cycle though (or in that span from last inject to start of pct) seems to make the best overall sense tho.