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Prohormone Craziness

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jcbthree

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Hey all

I am 24 years old, and recently took my first two PH cycles. I took Primabol (PCT, LiverGuardian) in December and then Halotest-25 (PCT, LG) in March (about 6 weeks later).

I took about a month off from working out to give my muscles, tendons, ligs a chance to recover the right way. I will gain back my muscle memory pretty easily.

Resting weight: 178
After Primabol/Halo: 192

I am thinking about taking Epitest or Androdrol for an 8 week cycle. It would be a lot of prohormones in a 6 month span, but does that matter if theyre different? Also, I was planning this for my stack..

Androdrol
PCT
Liv. Guard.

What else should I add on? Apparently Androdrol messes with your liver hardcore, so maybe a SERM (If so, can someone give me a specific one they recommend). Also, I have T-Bomb II, when should I take that, during or after with the PCT?

Basically, I want to do one of the two, and I am asking..

Which one do you recommend (epi or androdrol), and with that, what products (specific company & name) do you recommend?

thanks fellas.
 
1. post in anabolics section
2. hellllllllll no to androdrol cuz it just looks ridiculous
3. get a serm for every PH u use, Nolva or Clomid
4. my opinion, epitest or if u wanna build more mass, SD
5. wait 10-12 weeks between PH cycles, gotta get ur little soldiers back to normal
 
Not sure if I'm gonna get flamed for this but...

If you're risking complications due to taking these compounds/ doing three cycles of these compounds within 6 months/ with or without proper pct, why not just use some test c or test e .?

Also I'm no expert but if you're doing these cycles let alone so often, taking a month off just seems way more than counter productive.. (2 steps forward, 4 steps back...)

Also muscle memory works but not to the degree of a prohormone.... 17" arms on prohormone, month off 15" arms, month back doesnt equate back to 17" arms.

Not being an ass, I love this sport, If you're willing to accept the possible complications from over the counter aas use, do it the right way brother, keep your gains and more importantly keep your health :yup:
 
urbanski said:
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Yep.

So dude you are running serious stuff without even a natty test boost, let alone a serm? Surely even googling "pct" would show you the word serm in under 10 seconds. You are just further proving the politicians right. This is why anabolics are illegal.

Stop before you hurt yourself.

My advice: Serm + TRS.
 
Hey guys,

thanks for the response. Primabol and Halotest are both level 1 prohormones, LG and PowerLab PCT should be fine. By the time I finished Halotest-25, until I take this 8 week cycle, it will be 10 weeks.

JHerman, what makes you think I didn't keep my gains? My muscle is all there, when I left my PH, I cut down about 10 lbs, mostly fat and water weight. Still hard as a rock.

Again, I appreciate the response, but something like "Serm + TRS" doesnt mean anything, hence why I asked for company and supplement name.

Thanks for the responses, but if you are all saying androdrol no and epitest yes, then i still need to know what to take..

Epitest weeks 1-8
LG weeks 1-12
Powerlab PCT weeks 9-12
T-Bomb II weeks ??-??
Serm (Still need a company and name) weeks ??-??
Anything else ?????????
 
SERMS, yeah Nolvadex (Tamoxifen), Clomid and so on...Avail by prescription only, otherwise illegal to obtain. Google is your friend. For all of your PCT information, visit
PCT section of this forum.
TRS is Testosterone Recovery Stack - provided by Invalid Link Removed.
It is an OTC PCT, works with mild PH cycles under 4 weeks in length.
Good luck!
 
n87 said:
SERMS, yeah Nolvadex (Tamoxifen), Clomid and so on...Avail by prescription only, otherwise illegal to obtain. Google is your friend. For all of your PCT information, visit
PCT section of this forum.
TRS is Testosterone Recovery Stack - provided by Invalid Link Removed.
It is an OTC PCT, works with mild PH cycles under 4 weeks in length.
Good luck!
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No, tamox and clomid are not illegal. It is only available by prescription in the states but possession of it is not illegal. I bring back a ton of it everytime I go on vacation and I declare it at customs with no probs. Same with clen and albuterol. There are no laws on these compounds as far as possession goes because they are not scheduled drugs.
 
Wow class 1 prohormones.... That's a new one..... Your still shutting yourself down either way..... Don't do it without a serm....
 
is this a joke???? i wouldnt help him, noway he knows what hes doing.....kinda small too, ill assume resorting to phs when you are 5'11 173 means

a)hardgainer excuse is coming which is a cop-out imo
b)training and or diet suck hence a perceived plateau
c)lazy looking for magic pills
d)all of the above
 
jcbthree said:
Hey guys,

"Serm + TRS" doesnt mean anything, hence why I asked for company and supplement name.
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G-O-O-G-L-E

It really isn't that hard. We can't source you serms (seeing as you haven't read the stickies either).

If you need your hand held, you are NOT ready for anabolics. You say your pct was "fine" and you recovered. How do you know? You didn't get bloodwork. The "bro trust me" won't work here.
 
Taking a month off was a terrible idea, your logic behind it is flawed. Run nolva clomid or torem with every cycle, question the need for toxic steroids at a light weight And finally don't use that one if you decide to run a cycle use a solo compound.
 
sking6464 said:
is this a joke???? i wouldnt help him, noway he knows what hes doing.....kinda small too, ill assume resorting to phs when you are 5'11 173 means

a)hardgainer excuse is coming which is a cop-out imo
b)training and or diet suck hence a perceived plateau
c)lazy looking for magic pills
d)all of the above
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D. Final answer.
 
kanakafarian said:
No, tamox and clomid are not illegal. It is only available by prescription in the states but possession of it is not illegal. I bring back a ton of it everytime I go on vacation and I declare it at customs with no probs. Same with clen and albuterol. There are no laws on these compounds as far as possession goes because they are not scheduled drugs.
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Actually you are wrong. Look up "Legend Drug" laws in your state. It is illegal to possess a prescription drug without a prescription for it. Almost nobody ever gets prosecuted for it even if the cops do find it somehow, but it is still illegal. You can bring 90 days of any medication back through customs and customs doesn't determine whether you have a right to have it or not, you can bring back testosterone and winny from mexico and customs will pass you through, but that doesn't make it legal to possess.
 
these posts about people running really stupid PHs with no PCT is getting really old. theres an anabolic section for a reason btw
 
EasyEJL said:
Actually you are wrong. Look up "Legend Drug" laws in your state. It is illegal to possess a prescription drug without a prescription for it. Almost nobody ever gets prosecuted for it even if the cops do find it somehow, but it is still illegal. You can bring 90 days of any medication back through customs and customs doesn't determine whether you have a right to have it or not, you can bring back testosterone and winny from mexico and customs will pass you through, but that doesn't make it legal to possess.
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Test and winny from Mex? I've never heard of that because I go there often and I know customs is checking for any type of anabolics. I've got some decent size so I'm ALWAYS questioned about anabolics when coming back accross. And I always thought it was legal for tamox, etc. because I declare a sh!tload, not only a 90 day supply. I'm talking enough to last me easily over two years. The last time I came back with 20 bottles of clen, 15 albuterol, 10 bottles of tamox, and a ton of fina and niz :evil: And I go there at least 4 times per year.
 
Yeah, just they aren't doctors so they don't know. They really only look at counts when its stuff like xanax or painkillers.

And thats the thing, I am prescribed testosterone in the US. So I have before in checked baggage brought a vial and syringe/needle. And you could get the pharmacist in mexico to write a scrip for the winny... and it is prescribable here in the US
 
EasyEJL said:
Yeah, just they aren't doctors so they don't know. They really only look at counts when its stuff like xanax or painkillers.

And thats the thing, I am prescribed testosterone in the US. So I have before in checked baggage brought a vial and syringe/needle. And you could get the pharmacist in mexico to write a scrip for the winny... and it is prescribable here in the US
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LOL which reminds me, I was once questioned on why I was bringing back tamox and I told the dude that it helps with thinning hair by blocking DHT at the scalp. And my story sounded legit because I had fina and niz too! The things we do for our gear, huh? :ntome:
 
Yeah, they have a specific list of what they look for and outside of that they don't really give much of a crap. And even of what they look for, it can be legitimate. People really do get prescribed oxycontin for pain, so its not like they can nail you for having it if you do have the prescription.
 
my cycle isnt going to start for another month, but it will happen. ive been reading up on a lot of sh** and definitely learning more. so far i have read about 10 PCT guides lol and its getting repetitive. everything i research is the same old thing, but yet, nobody wants to help me with my situation, hence you must ask the question, whats the point of this forum if everyone is going to tell u thats its been asked before?

im looking into torem and nolva, but they are both illegal and i cant seem to find a place to even acquire what ive read to take.

along with the serm, i plan to take t-bomb II (already own a full bottle), reversitol (own a bottle), TRS, TCF-1, I3C, and vitamin C loading.
after week 5, i would take 6-oxo.

i dont know if this is good yet, and any serious advice would be appreciated. i have time to work on it, but without help from people that know more about it, im sure it will be a slow process.
 
Serious advice is you are not leaving enough time between cycles, and you aren't getting blood tests. Both of which are a bad combination.
 
jcbthree said:
ive been reading up on a lot of sh** and definitely learning more. so far i have read about 10 PCT guides lol and its getting repetitive. everything i research is the same old thing, but yet, nobody wants to help me with my situation, hence you must ask the question, whats the point of this forum if everyone is going to tell u thats its been asked before?

im looking into torem and nolva, but they are both illegal and i cant seem to find a place to even acquire what ive read to take.

along with the serm, i plan to take t-bomb II (already own a full bottle), reversitol (own a bottle), TRS, TCF-1, I3C, and vitamin C loading.
after week 5, i would take 6-oxo.

i dont know if this is good yet, and any serious advice would be appreciated. i have time to work on it, but without help from people that know more about it, im sure it will be a slow process.
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The underlined topics are very contradictory. You were given very serious advice, you just didn't like/want what you were told. Good luck man, I hope you don't hurt yourself.
 
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I took Primabol (PCT, LiverGuardian) in December and then Halotest-25 (PCT, LG) in March (about 6 weeks later).
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so 4 weeks on in december, 4 weeks of pct in january, february off and started halo in march, pct in april and start another cycle in may doesn't sound like 3 months between to me
 
i ended my halo by march 18th. so i will be starting epitest cycle in the middle of june, does that sound safe?
 
Still close, and if you lost all the gains from your prior two cycles, diving into another cycle seems ridiculous. You can talk about muscle memory, but if its so easy then get back to 192 before you even plan your next cycle. Otherwise you need to work out what your issue is between cycles, since putting your body through this to not keep the gains is silly
 
Bro id listen to the guys even i know you shouldnt do a classs 0 cycle mind a class 1 with out a serm!

I didnt want to go on the rount of using a serm, illeagl .. Still harmful to a degree .. Etra etra.... But i tell you now you will suffer a great deal more without a serm if things go wrong trust me.

My cuzin age 22 training 7 weeks lol took m drol for 6 weeks with out liver help or a pct mind serm he gained around 4bls reason being he never went to the gym and neva eat anythin anyways he lost everythin and more! His now kinda skinny lol ..
Now thescary thing is he got no sides at all! Now thats what would scarye me!


Eat, train, sleep, repeat!

Gd luck
 
EasyEJL said:
Still close, and if you lost all the gains from your prior two cycles, diving into another cycle seems ridiculous. You can talk about muscle memory, but if its so easy then get back to 192 before you even plan your next cycle. Otherwise you need to work out what your issue is between cycles, since putting your body through this to not keep the gains is silly
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I agree with you, I think taking cycles in order to just keep getting bigger is absurd, and I wouldnt be doing it if I wasnt keeping my muscle. I got to 192 and spent the next 2-3 weeks cutting down. I lost a lot of water weight from stopping my creatine cycles and I lost a few pounds as well. To get back up to 192 would be to cycle creatine, gain water weight, and add fat back, basically everything I just worked to reverse. I don't want to do a cycle from 192, I want to do a cycle from 185 and lean, hence why I did this. If you don't think I should be doing it this quickly, than thats fine, I will wait another few months, I dont care about that aspect, I work hard in the gym PH or not. I just want to get a good PCT down for when it is the right time to be doing this, and nobody can seem to simply tell me what to take.

Regardless of how much I know, if there is a perfect PCT out there for an epitest 8 week cycle, me taking and you taking it will do the exact same thing despite how much research ive done into it. A valid and large part of the research that is necessary is asking people who have done it like you and getting answer. Except, apparently getting answers to the questions i actually asked is harder than i thought..
 
Really there is no perfect PCT, the only way to do a 100% PCT is to do a blood test last day of cycle that you get the results same day, and tailor PCT to what the results are. Outside of that, sticking to something common and simple is best. a pretty clean combination is 10mg nolva + 50mg clomid with your choice of natural testosterone booster alongside. Testopro works well, as it has Testofen, Divanil and Indole-3-Carbinole. So you get testosterone boost, SHBG lowering, and mild estrogen management all at once. But any of a number of other products will work too.
 
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