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Primordial Performance AndroMass Cycle

ManBeast said:
Not sure on what the Mass caps look like, I should have mine in today though so I'll keep you updated if they show up and you haven't heard yet.

I don't see why you couldn't run two bottles t-911 back to back, and then add perform into that stack.
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I figured because im not really doubling up any ingredients, I've heard good and bad about perform.. But hell everything is hit or miss nowadays.
 
i like perform... the woman has mixed feelings on it :D
 
that and things get quite a bit messier :D not high-dose clomid messier, but messier nonetheless :D
 
nah, it is mostly a natty test booster and can't do much of anything when you are "on" IMHO. you should be fine on cycle.
 
ManBeast said:
nah, it is mostly a natty test booster and can't do much of anything when you are "on" IMHO. you should be fine on cycle.
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Alrighty:) just curious to see what it does haha, these next few months are gonna be fun as hell:)
 
welcome to the dark side, we don't haz cookies, but we haz powah! :D
 
TehProdigy said:
I figured as much,.for the record what do the massv3 softgels look like? So I know its not fake when I get it..

I'm wondering this as well, could I run 2 bottles of T911 back to back, one during pct and one following?

Sorry I keep adding questions to this list, their starting to just pop out at me:D After this cycle is said and done as I go into my cut could I add in Perform to my current cutting stack of T911 and OEP?
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They are green soft gels, about the same size as a fish oil pill. Can kinda gauge from this
 
bigdavid said:
Do you think it would be beneficial to add something like stinging nettle root to pcts that use torem since torem increases shbg
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I'm definitely gonna use division 1 (nettle/divanil), daa (from the TCF-1), and some testofen (titanium XL) during PCT (with clomid at low dose) and for the month after PCT as well....so you're raising test and decreasing SHBG....along with triazole or ErasePro of course for the two months to deal with the estrogen.....
 
inform him of the rules regarding the anabolics section first (21+), the rest of the board is open.
 
ehhhhhh.....

honestly? I'd lean against it, despite the fact that they are only minimally disruptive to the body's own cyle/production. his levels are at a solid high right now. If he wants a fun/cheap/safe ride I'd just toss him some Erase Pro, DAA, and Division 1 and let him go to town for 8 weeks :)
 
ManBeast said:
ehhhhhh.....

honestly? I'd lean against it, despite the fact that they are only minimally disruptive to the body's own cyle/production. his levels are at a solid high right now. If he wants a fun/cheap/safe ride I'd just toss him some Erase Pro, DAA, and Division 1 and let him go to town for 8 weeks :)
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Lol alrighty ill let em know what is recommended:) I started mass this morning, chest tris later on today!
 
cool beans, honestly with that stack he will have so much natty test that it will be basically like a mini-cycle (unless there's something going on that would need to be addressed by an endocrinologist).
 
ManBeast said:
cool beans, honestly with that stack he will have so much natty test that it will be basically like a mini-cycle (unless there's something going on that would need to be addressed by an endocrinologist).
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Thanks man, I might actually run that myself sometime in the summer:)
 
I don't see an SHBG inhibitor in t-911, and that is the sole purpose of division 1
 
Clear messages ManBeast! I know your popular but ****!!! lol
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
I'm definitely gonna use division 1 (nettle/divanil), daa (from the TCF-1), and some testofen (titanium XL) during PCT (with clomid at low dose) and for the month after PCT as well....so you're raising test and decreasing SHBG....along with triazole or ErasePro of course for the two months to deal with the estrogen.....
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I would save the divanil until after PCT
 
4 softgels down, 164 to go. I didnt feel much today besides an excitement high.. Hit chest tri today strongest point today was probably 105x7 dumbell flat bench. Id really like to touch into the 130s:D
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
I assume its due to the fact its said that lowering SHBG lowers total test, and you are supposed to be raising total test in PCT......
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Doesn't lowering it free up test?
 
Airborne42 said:
Doesn't lowering it free up test?
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I believe the theory is that divanil (nettle) lowers SHBG therefore raising free test right? BUT using this product for that purpose is supposed to LOWER total test (bound or free test). This is what I've heard is the "problem" with the SHBG supps. So that would be bad for the beginning/middle of PCT.
 
you may want to increase SHBG for PCT purposes, to expedite clearance of androgens. Sadly most used androgens don't have much affinity for SHBG
 
I guess you could use it starting week 3 of PCT and through for a month until end week 6 PCT/off time. Give things 2 weeks before adding it in.
 
The sad but true story is ---

What is GOOD for the hair, prostate, heart, ligaments/joints etc.... is probably NOT GOOD for utmost muscle growth.

Anti-DHT, Anti-inflammatory, Anti-estrogen, Anti-IGF-1 etc.....

The largest, most muscular enhanced Bodybuilders in the world are definitely not in ideal health.

-Matt
 
MattPorter said:
The sad but true story is ---

What is GOOD for the hair, prostate, heart, ligaments/joints etc.... is probably NOT GOOD for utmost muscle growth.

Anti-DHT, Anti-inflammatory, Anti-estrogen, Anti-IGF-1 etc.....

The largest, most muscular enhanced Bodybuilders in the world are definitely not in ideal health.

-Matt
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Big A from ProM wrote a very good post on "the real story" of high level pro BB. He references guys that couldn't walk up the stairs without being gassed.
 
Andromass started tuesday and I hopped on the scale yesterday, friday, and was surprised.. 188 to 194. I feel better, lift better, and look better already. It may be because the sun is out or rather.. That andromass gives you a happy high. Amazing so far..
 
TehProdigy said:
Andromass started tuesday and I hopped on the scale yesterday, friday, and was surprised.. 188 to 194. I feel better, lift better, and look better already. It may be because the sun is out or rather.. That andromass gives you a happy high. Amazing so far..
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Nice feedback bud
 
ryansm said:
Nice feedback bud
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I'm debating even tossing in epi at this point...



Another question guys, my shoulders need work. What kind of schedule could I run to favor my shoulders? I'd like to hit them twice a week, any recommendations?
 
i use a 3-day split in general, and a 4th day for things i feel like I need to work on while on cycle.
 
MattPorter said:
Are you referring to "SO SICK OF THIS ,,,,, HERE IS THE TRUTH!" thread??? lol

-Matt
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Exactly. Great read. Shows the "dark side" to what is going on behind the scenes.

TehProdigy said:
Andromass started tuesday and I hopped on the scale yesterday, friday, and was surprised.. 188 to 194. I feel better, lift better, and look better already. It may be because the sun is out or rather.. That andromass gives you a happy high. Amazing so far..
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Wow, nice start to this cycle!
TehProdigy said:
Bump, could I get done advice on a routine to focus on shoulders more?
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Unfortunately, I would be pretty bad to help you. My shoulders are one of my "weak spots", not in strength, but in propensity to be injured. So I am constantly changing shoulder workouts.
 
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