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Do you guys think if I dosed just 2caps/day (morning and night) I'd get joint/tendon benefits from this? They suggest 4caps/day.

I did the super cissusRX before at a low dose 2caps/day and it helped but took about 3 weeks or so to kick in if I remember.

Any thoughts or anyone who has experience with this?
 
Well the reason it took so long was it has to build up in your system, This will too unless you go from one to another. But since it is a bigger dose and the mix is stronger you will "feel" it sooner.
 
Big BAMA said:
Well the reason it took so long was it has to build up in your system, This will too unless you go from one to another. But since it is a bigger dose and the mix is stronger you will "feel" it sooner.
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Thats what I was thinking. I have the powder right now and dose it when I remember. Thanks though. Maybe "front load" it so to speak
 
prima force has 40% Ketosterones, I thought the higher the % the more anabolic it was...my understanding was that if you are looking to utilize it's repairing properties then you would want the 10-20% Ketosterones like super cissuse RX.
 
I'm using Prima Force's Cissus now. I can't really comment on it because I didn't have any outstanding pain in the 1st place, just some elbow pain upon hyperextension and some lifts. So far so good though in the fact that I haven't experienced pain :D

Oh, and I got a free bottle of PF's Rage, but it doesn't seem to do much but give me alertness (this is good for marathon conference calls at work).
 
i'm starting my second bottle, its not a bad product but i was hoping it would be better. My joints feel healthier (less noise when i move) but I haven't had any reduction in joint soreness.
 
Distilled Water said:
Do you guys think if I dosed just 2caps/day (morning and night) I'd get joint/tendon benefits from this? They suggest 4caps/day.

I did the super cissusRX before at a low dose 2caps/day and it helped but took about 3 weeks or so to kick in if I remember.

Any thoughts or anyone who has experience with this?
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If I was you I would take the recommended dosage, its cheap and it works , I made some blood test having a double dose and everything was great(including hormones)



delsolrob said:
prima force has 40% Ketosterones, I thought the higher the % the more anabolic it was...my understanding was that if you are looking to utilize it's repairing properties then you would want the 10-20% Ketosterones like super cissuse RX.
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what make you think that?
 
is there any truth to this?

delsolrob said:
prima force has 40% Ketosterones, I thought the higher the % the more anabolic it was...my understanding was that if you are looking to utilize it's repairing properties then you would want the 10-20% Ketosterones like super cissuse RX.
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rabican said:
is there any truth to this?
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No there is not. There is also no evidence that Cissus has any beneficial properties in repairing joints. There are several anecdotal reports but there is not a single study demonstrating that Cissus repairs joint damage.
 
bump,

I couldn't find the article I read explaining my position on cissus as stated above.

anyone else that can help here?
 
rabican said:
is there any truth to this?
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All the truth has come from feedback, which I take with a grain of salt...HOWEVER i would rather hear that 20 people gained an inch on their c@ck from sipping on ice t than to read about it in a study from the coats whom may have NEVEr touched a women and try it myself, only to have my jock shrink to a straw...ya know?


But, seriously, it seems that if you look at cissus rx, the anabolic properties really do not kick in unless your dosing 5 times a day. USPlabs has10-20% Ketosterones in super cissus per regular dose which is 2 pills a day but prima force has 40% per dose...now you would see why people think that the higher the concentration, the better the anabolic effect.

If nothing above made sense, i've been studying for the ACE all day and it is 3 in the morning, so have at it what you willl
 
delsolrob said:
bump,

I couldn't find the article I read explaining my position on cissus as stated above.

anyone else that can help here?
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I haven't seen that article, although i'd definitely be interested in it.

What i can offer is a first hand account from a trusted friend that has used both products, he thought the Prima Force Cissus did nothing for joint pain and that Super Cissus Rx did have a positive effect upon joint pain.
 
rabican said:
is there any truth to this?
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I discussed this via PM with Strategicmove and his response was:
anecdotal evidence and trial-and-error by different companies tend to suggest that the most effective extracts for joint, tendon, and ligament support is the 5% to 10% ones. Higher extracts of say 20% or 40% tend to have more anabolic effects and less ligament/joint-repair results.
 
delsolrob said:
I discussed this via PM with Strategicmove and his response was:
anecdotal evidence and trial-and-error by different companies tend to suggest that the most effective extracts for joint, tendon, and ligament support is the 5% to 10% ones. Higher extracts of say 20% or 40% tend to have more anabolic effects and less ligament/joint-repair results.
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my joints feel a lot better with the primaforce 40% so you can put that on the anecdotal evidence.
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I've used Primaforce, and didn't get much join relief. Super Cissus, however, is simply outstanding. Way better than anything else out there.
 
poison said:
I've used Primaforce, and didn't get much join relief. Super Cissus, however, is simply outstanding. Way better than anything else out there.
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I don't question your post but primaforce cissus its great stuff on pain relief, my joints were always my weakest link but nowadays they are wonderful , I`m pretty much satisfied with the prima cissus.
on the last edition of flex mag I saw an article on cissus and they stated that the ketosterones are the cissus magic ingredient so I cant see how less is better but if you like supercissus stick with it, I personally wont take your word for granted when you say the less ketosterones the better but I tried the usp cissus and also like it so maybe people should try both and see what they like the most
 
In theory, if you have a 40% version it'd be twice as potent as a 20% version. So if your supposed to take 2,000mg of a 20% cissus, 1,000mg of a 40% version should be the exact equivalent.
 
Ziquor said:
In theory, if you have a 40% version it'd be twice as potent as a 20% version. So if your supposed to take 2,000mg of a 20% cissus, 1,000mg of a 40% version should be the exact equivalent.
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that make sense but there are different theories out there:rolleyes:
 
nunes said:
I don't question your post but primaforce cissus its great stuff on pain relief, my joints were always my weakest link but nowadays they are wonderful , I`m pretty much satisfied with the prima cissus.
on the last edition of flex mag I saw an article on cissus and they stated that the ketosterones are the cissus magic ingredient so I cant see how less is better but if you like supercissus stick with it, I personally wont take your word for granted when you say the less ketosterones the better but I tried the usp cissus and also like it so maybe people should try both and see what they like the most
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The theory is that the higher ketosterone content extracts are more anabolic; the lower potency extracts are better for the joints, as they have the vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients or properties in higher concentration than the high ketosterone extracts. In other words, the ketosterones aren't the most important thing.

In my personal experience, I agree. I've mega-dosed Cissus RX and Primaforce, and used several bulk extracts, as well as Incarnate.

Incarnate is great for the anabolism. Primaforce is too. Bulk sucks donkey balls. Cissus RX was anabolic at high doses, but made my joints hurt (lowering cortisol too much?), and at low dose helped joints. Super cissus at 3/day is perfection for joints!!!
 
poison said:
The theory is that the higher ketosterone content extracts are more anabolic; the lower potency extracts are better for the joints, as they have the vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients or properties in higher concentration than the high ketosterone extracts. In other words, the ketosterones aren't the most important thing.

In my personal experience, I agree. I've mega-dosed Cissus RX and Primaforce, and used several bulk extracts, as well as Incarnate.

Incarnate is great for the anabolism. Primaforce is too. Bulk sucks donkey balls. Cissus RX was anabolic at high doses, but made my joints hurt (lowering cortisol too much?), and at low dose helped joints. Super cissus at 3/day is perfection for joints!!!
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you don't give any scientific evidence to back up your claim so until you do so I`ll keep the prima cause my joints and my wallet love that stuff, and another thing , you cant generalize that if you feel better with a low ketostetone extract everybody will, remember that absorption and cortisol levels may vary with the individual so if what you say its true I don't have doubts that some guys will fell better with a high keto extract
 
I'm not challenging your experience with Primaforce, either. There may even be better batches, or bottles. maybe i got a bad one, or you a good one.

But if you're taking cissus because its proven with overwhelming scientific evidence (or any evidence besides anecdotal at all), you're taking the wrong supplement. It's highly understudied for joint healing. In fact, you'll be hard pressed to find a study on it for anything besides gastric ulcers and metabolic syndrome.

I take it because it works for me, and nearly this whole board has tried it, and agrees: cissus works.

:)
 
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poison said:
I take it because it works for me, and nearly this whole board has tried it, and agrees: cissus works.

:)
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I never said the contrary, I just say that what is the best for a guy can be the worst for the other, so take what is best for you but don't be so certain on the ketosterones theory;)
 
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