PreMax vs RagNOrok vs Standard

[Bnatural]

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[BBB]

I received my order for Omega's “Ultra” in the mail yesterday. Since I typically workout on Monday evenings I decided to give it a try as a standalone. As a long time vet of preworkout supplements I decided to start off with two scoops. The taste was quite strong. My wife said it smelled like Tang and it tasted similar but stronger. This probably because I mixed two scoops in about 8 to 10 oz of water, I think it would taste better if diluted more. About 10-15 min after ingestion I had a mild euphoric feeling kind of a natural high. It felt great and I couldn't wait to hit the gym. I also felt energized and ready to go to work. Moreover, for a product that is not designed as a "pump" product I got an excellent "pump" during my workout, every bit as good as with PreMax or RagNOrok and maybe even stronger. In fact I was feeling a strong pump after my second or third set. I ordered some GPLC tabs to take along with Ultra since I didn't expect this kind of "pump" from this product, now I'm not sure if I need to add anything. As far as endurance I can't say I noticed much but then I wasn't training for endurance either. Mental focus was good but not any better than with PreMax or RagNOrok from what I could tell. I would say that it is a great preworkout product and worth a try for anyone who wants a boost before hitting the gym. The energy from the product is very smooth and natural and allowed me to sleep well later that evening. I’m not sure if Ultra will stand above my PreMax/RagNOrok combo only time will tell. I think I am going to try taking GPLC with a single serving of Ultra and see what kind of pump I get off of this combo. I love the fact the both PreMax and Ultra are very beneficial from an overall health perspective. I’m sure Rag has health benefits as well but the health benefits of GPLC are well documented and Ultima was designed by Doctor Houser and everything Dioniii designs is good for the body.

 

[thebigt]

I received my order for Omega's “Ultra” in the mail yesterday. Since I typically workout on Monday evenings I decided to give it a try as a standalone. As a long time vet of preworkout supplements I decided to start off with two scoops. The taste was quite strong. My wife said it smelled like Tang and it tasted similar but stronger. This probably because I mixed two scoops in about 8 to 10 oz of water, I think it would taste better if diluted more. About 10-15 min after ingestion I had a mild euphoric feeling kind of a natural high. It felt great and I couldn't wait to hit the gym. I also felt energized and ready to go to work. Moreover, for a product that is not designed as a "pump" product I got an excellent "pump" during my workout, every bit as good as with PreMax or RagNOrok and maybe even stronger. In fact I was feeling a strong pump after my second or third set. I ordered some GPLC tabs to take along with Ultra since I didn't expect this kind of "pump" from this product, now I'm not sure if I need to add anything. As far as endurance I can't say I noticed much but then I wasn't training for endurance either. Mental focus was good but not any better than with PreMax or RagNOrok from what I could tell. I would say that it is a great preworkout product and worth a try for anyone who wants a boost before hitting the gym. The energy from the product is very smooth and natural and allowed me to sleep well later that evening. I’m not sure if Ultra will stand above my PreMax/RagNOrok combo only time will tell. I think I am going to try taking GPLC with a single serving of Ultra and see what kind of pump I get off of this combo. I love the fact the both PreMax and Ultra are very beneficial from an overall health perspective. I’m sure Rag has health benefits as well but the health benefits of GPLC are well documented and Ultima was designed by Doctor Houser and everything Dioniii designs is good for the body.

great review!
at my level i think the ragnarok is plenty good enough. i finished my 2nd workout on it and am very pleased. between my age [51] a full time job, and active family life i am not as committed as some of you others. for me ragnarok seems to be just fine.

 

[andrew732]

GPLC bomb

 

[bolt10]

Nice review BBB....I only used 1 scoop for the first workout and it was about how u described...for a non pump oriented product it sure gets me pumped in the gym

I also plan on using some GPLC from PP with my Ultima whenever it gets here

 

[BBB]

great review!
at my level i think the ragnarok is plenty good enough. i finished my 2nd workout on it and am very pleased. between my age [51] a full time job, and active family life i am not as committed as some of you others. for me ragnarok seems to be just fine.

Rag is a great product no complaints and it tastes great. As I said I like having a variety of preworkout supps and I like experimenting with different products. There are so many preworkout supps it's difficult to know which one is best. I like the health benefits of both PreMax and Ultra so they will be my base products for whatever I decide to do and both work well. I like the taste of Rag best and it works well also. I just received my order for GPLC a few minutes ago. It will interesting adding GPLC to Ultra. For those interested I will keep you posted on the results.

 

[CTDeuce]

as far as it pertains to the health benefits of RagNOrok Ultra, it has an extensive antioxidant blend (pomegranate, grape seed extract, blueberry, and acai berry), as well as an electrolyte blend to replenish the lost electrolytes during training (which have krebs cycle intermediates to aid in the absorbtion).

I'd say there's a fair deal of health for a pre w/o powder

 

[BBB]

mst is very generous in giving samples-i got i little jug of rag ultra and a bunch of sample packs from them. the nitroceps were very good, i could kick myself in the arse for turning down the opportunity to log it.
btw-my vit shoppe reward card came today, so i will go get my rag ultra in the morning.

Companies that are willing to give samples shows a high level of confidence in their products.

 

[BBB]

as far as it pertains to the health benefits of RagNOrok Ultra, it has an extensive antioxidant blend (pomegranate, grape seed extract, blueberry, and acai berry), as well as an electrolyte blend to replenish the lost electrolytes during training (which have krebs cycle intermediates to aid in the absorbtion).

I'd say there's a fair deal of health for a pre w/o powder

Agreed and I do not plan on abandoning Rag it's a great product and a good value. I believe that using a variety of products keeps the body from becoming desensitized any particular product or blend, similar to muscle confusion, and keeps them all working at a higher level. Moreover, the variety in taste keeps me from getting tired of the same flavor. Variety is the spice of life as they say.

 

[CTDeuce]

Agreed and I do not plan on abandoning Rag it's a great product and a good value. I believe that using a variety of products keeps the body from becoming desensitized any particular product or blend, similar to muscle confusion, and keeps them all working at a higher level. Moreover, the variety in taste keeps me from getting tired of the same flavor. Variety is the spice of life as they say.

very good post. reps on the way good man.

 

[matthias7]

I haven't tried Jack3d so I can't honestly comment. But the stim effect of Rag is similar to NO Shotgun. I like NO Shotgun as well but I think I like Rag better. PreMax is also great but very expensive compaired to the the other two.

I don't know RagNOrok at all, but Premax is a protein based without stims - which explains the price increase. I should have it next month.

Jack3D is effectively a potent stim with creatin. You need to dose protein separately. As with all stims I get tolerance to Jack3D very quickly and it doesn't disappear fast. White Flood stim effect tolerance is even quicker. If you've never taken Jack3D is worth trying. Regular use though needs cycling with great care to get the best from it.

In that sense I prefer 6-year old ginseng because on regular use (daily) you get tolerance but that disappears fast if you cycle it. The tolerance time is slow and the reset time is fast. Excellent stuff.

 

[matthias7]

I agree with you on the taste factor on pre-max. It's tolerable, but it needs a bit of something.

I add IBCAA, Beta-Alanine, and Creatine and it could be a factor of the taste too.
I love the pump I get from it!

Adding BCAA is a very good point, although you could argue it better post workout. There is increasingly good science around BCAA and it seems a sound investment, the big question is at what dosage vs. price? e.g. 10g? or 50g -> $$$. Is 10g actually worth the hassle?

I love the taste of B-alanine BTW - tastes nutty. IMO should cycle creatine - just my opinion though. This is a top thread BTW

 

[BBB]

I don't know RagNOrok at all, but Premax is a protein based without stims - which explains the price increase. I should have it next month.

Jack3D is effectively a potent stim with creatin. You need to dose protein separately. As with all stims I get tolerance to Jack3D very quickly and it doesn't disappear fast. White Flood stim effect tolerance is even quicker. If you've never taken Jack3D is worth trying. Regular use though needs cycling with great care to get the best from it.

In that sense I prefer 6-year old ginseng because on regular use (daily) you get tolerance but that disappears fast if you cycle it. The tolerance time is slow and the reset time is fast. Excellent stuff.

Since I workout late in the evenings I have to be careful with stims. RagNOrok is fairly mild as compared to NO Xplode and NO Shotgun and some others I have tried but it still keeps me awake at night if I use too much. I have not tried Jack3d but I have tried most others.

Last night I discovered the criticality of carbs as far as the "pump" is concerned. I took a day off work to get some things done around the house. I had my normal protein drink around 7:30 but then I didn't eat anything the rest of the day until after my workout. I took my normal preworkout drink consisting of one scoop of PreMax and one scoop of RagNOrok and full serving of GPLC. This stack usually gives me stellar "pumps", but since I had very few carbs in my system the pump was just so-so. I typically eat some form of complex carbs about two hours before taking my preworkout drink.

 

[thebigt]

i am on a cut, ugh. been taking 2 oep before cardio and using rag ultra only on lifting days, wow do i get a pump- only lifting 2x week while cutting, doing 2 a day cardio's. down 5 lbs.
really surprised at the pump i am getting on reduced cals- might be from limiting lifting days? or maybe the rag is that good.

 

[islandmagic]

i am on a cut, ugh. been taking 2 oep before cardio and using rag ultra only on lifting days, wow do i get a pump- only lifting 2x week while cutting, doing 2 a day cardio's. down 5 lbs.
really surprised at the pump i am getting on reduced cals- might be from limiting lifting days? or maybe the rag is that good.

i am going with the rag is that good brohiem!

 

[Bnatural]

pump is probley from the rag

 

[CTDeuce]

i am going with the rag is that good brohiem!

pump is probley from the rag

its da troof!


ps - without taking any protein near the time you take RagNOrok Ultra, your pumps will be more intense than they were before. I only mention because you're on a cal deficit as it is.

 

[thebigt]

its da troof!


ps - without taking any protein near the time you take RagNOrok Ultra, your pumps will be more intense than they were before. I only mention because you're on a cal deficit as it is.

i try to do my workouts fasted so i got that covered. it may just be that i have underestimated rag ultra- really wasn't expecting pumps this good while restricting cals. but hey- i aint complaining.

 

[JN230]

Since I workout late in the evenings I have to be careful with stims. RagNOrok is fairly mild as compared to NO Xplode and NO Shotgun and some others I have tried but it still keeps me awake at night if I use too much. I have not tried Jack3d but I have tried most others.

Last night I discovered the criticality of carbs as far as the "pump" is concerned. I took a day off work to get some things done around the house. I had my normal protein drink around 7:30 but then I didn't eat anything the rest of the day until after my workout. I took my normal preworkout drink consisting of one scoop of PreMax and one scoop of RagNOrok and full serving of GPLC. This stack usually gives me stellar "pumps", but since I had very few carbs in my system the pump was just so-so. I typically eat some form of complex carbs about two hours before taking my preworkout drink.

holy crap you do know Pre Max has a full serving of gplc right???

u jsut dropped like 8$ for a pre workout routine!!!

 

[BBB]

I only use one scoop of PreMax a full serving is two scoops so I take an additional 6 tabs of GPLC in order to get a full serving. It's a little cheaper that way and by adding a scoop of Rag I get a mild stim effect and a lot of other good things. All-in-all I usually get a very good pump from this protocol and it tastes good. PreMax alone is bitter and doesn't provide the stim effect I like before lifting.