Pregnenolone & DHEA, The trans-dermal solution from "Iconic Formulations"

hairygrandpa said:
Apparently age has to be considered too. For older natties, it could be beneficial, as DHEA declines with age. If you also supplement Resveratrol, go for Dermacrine, it supposedly has all 3 ingredients. When Dermacrine still was a product of BP, I liked it a lot as a "test base". Good to see its production continued by "Iconic Formulations", it was the former flagship of BP.
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Cheers mate.
At 43 I figured this was worth a try before I try a self trt.
 
Yesterday was back day, didn't felt as motivated -BUT:

I was doing weighted pull ups, shooting for singles with max weight.
BW 210lbs
+90lbs x3/3 drop +45lbs x7 drop BW x7

That was unexpected. Triples instead of singles. If that was due to the Pregnenolone/DHEA combo , I might buy a gallon of each. :)
 
Anything to note with libido? I started the combo about 3 weeks ago at 0.5mL of each per day. I'm 35 and have been on TRT for about 6 years with a urologist. Started on clomid to maintain fertility but switched to Testopel about two years ago when my wife and I were done having kids. He's not a fan of injections. I mainly started the P5/DHEA combo to help with adrenal fatigue. It gave me a nice kick but after 2 weeks I started getting bloated. I do have aromisin on hand but didn't want to start taking any without blood work. I cut back on the DHEA which seemed to help but kept the preg at 0.5mL/day. A few days ago my libido just tanked and hasn't recovered.

I'll stress that I have not gotten any blood work done right before or since starting, so I am only speculating as to what may be causing it. I'm in no way blaming to P5 and/or DHEA. Just curious as to your experience thus far?
 
BRUstrong said:
Anything to note with libido? I started the combo about 3 weeks ago at 0.5mL of each per day. I'm 35 and have been on TRT for about 6 years with a urologist. Started on clomid to maintain fertility but switched to Testopel about two years ago when my wife and I were done having kids. He's not a fan of injections. I mainly started the P5/DHEA combo to help with adrenal fatigue. It gave me a nice kick but after 2 weeks I started getting bloated. I do have aromisin on hand but didn't want to start taking any without blood work. I cut back on the DHEA which seemed to help but kept the preg at 0.5mL/day. A few days ago my libido just tanked and hasn't recovered.

I'll stress that I have not gotten any blood work done right before or since starting, so I am only speculating as to what may be causing it. I'm in no way blaming to P5 and/or DHEA. Just curious as to your experience thus far?
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The same thing happened to me I had to drop the dhea bc of estro problems. Using the P5 at .25 to .3 ml every day is my sweet spot and seems to have done the trick along with a little AI. We are all different but this was my experience with the DHEA initially giving a nice kick but then giving me more sides than anything else. I believe the pregnenolone is something that needs to be supplemented regularly. I think your estro is prob a little high id hit the ai and see how you feel.

Hope this helps at least this is my experience
 
Godstrength said:
The same thing happened to me I had to drop the dhea bc of estro problems. Using the P5 at .25 to .3 ml every day is my sweet spot and seems to have done the trick along with a little AI. We are all different but this was my experience with the DHEA initially giving a nice kick but then giving me more sides than anything else. I believe the pregnenolone is something that needs to be supplemented regularly. I think your estro is prob a little high id hit the ai and see how you feel.

Hope this helps at least this is my experience
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have you tried dermacrine?
 
thebigt said:
have you tried dermacrine?
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Yeah I have some of that also... Thats what I was using at first w the p5. The ai in that isnt strong enough. I dropped the dermacrine and continued the p5 and had to use a pharma ai to get my estro down.
 
Godstrength said:
Yeah I have some of that also... Thats what I was using at first w the p5. The ai in that isnt strong enough. I dropped the dermacrine and continued the p5 and had to use a pharma ai to get my estro down.
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not going to question that....your reaction is your own and everyone reacts differently...glad you got it figured out..

btw-didn't I pick you for a log of virtus?
 
thebigt said:
not going to question that....your reaction is your own and everyone reacts differently...glad you got it figured out..

btw-didn't I pick you for a log of virtus?
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Yes sir you did... And though it was delayed it did land today so I'm looking forward to getting that log up and using it in place of pharma Ai and see how well it works :)

It's worth noting I'm also on self-administered trt
 
Godstrength said:
Yes sir you did... And though it was delayed it did land today so I'm looking forward to getting that log up and using it in place of pharma Ai and see how well it works :)

It's worth noting I'm also on self-administered trt
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glad I picked you, it will be an honest review of virtus-exactly what I was looking for!!!

yes, being on trt is worth noting...I am not on prescribed AI but I do like to run one every other month just to keep estrogen from trt in check...since the return of virtus it is my go-to.
 
Newth said:
I had a very quick look at preg and dhea the other day but couldn't find a definitive answer.

Do either suppress anything or not in someone natural?
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I got three lots of bloods done before neuro stack, 2 months in at 1 serve per day, then again after a month at 0.5 serve per day. It did not have any significant effect on my test.
 
back when they had the deal going on i ran a bottle of each. one dose each morning of .5 mil. Maybe its just me but didnt feel or notice anything good or bad from it. i wasnt on anything else at the time other than a pre work out and protien. I'm also older at 51.
 
The number 1 effect I get from dhea is a massive reduction of chronic inflammation in my knees, hands and lower bsck.
 
BennyMagoo79 said:
The number 1 effect I get from dhea is a massive reduction of chronic inflammation in my knees, hands and lower bsck.
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That sounds like a good thing!!
 
Damn i hate only getting so little time to search thing's here.. hairygrandpa ... I got a bunch of sh!t going on...I'm, interested in any help....old age is creeping up in more way's than one.
 
BRUstrong said:
Anything to note with libido? I started the combo about 3 weeks ago at 0.5mL of each per day. I'm 35 and have been on TRT for about 6 years with a urologist. Started on clomid to maintain fertility but switched to Testopel about two years ago when my wife and I were done having kids. He's not a fan of injections. I mainly started the P5/DHEA combo to help with adrenal fatigue. It gave me a nice kick but after 2 weeks I started getting bloated. I do have aromisin on hand but didn't want to start taking any without blood work. I cut back on the DHEA which seemed to help but kept the preg at 0.5mL/day. A few days ago my libido just tanked and hasn't recovered.

I'll stress that I have not gotten any blood work done right before or since starting, so I am only speculating as to what may be causing it. I'm in no way blaming to P5 and/or DHEA. Just curious as to your experience thus far?
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Godstrength said:
The same thing happened to me I had to drop the dhea bc of estro problems. Using the P5 at .25 to .3 ml every day is my sweet spot and seems to have done the trick along with a little AI. We are all different but this was my experience with the DHEA initially giving a nice kick but then giving me more sides than anything else. I believe the pregnenolone is something that needs to be supplemented regularly. I think your estro is prob a little high id hit the ai and see how you feel.

Hope this helps at least this is my experience
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No signs of libido improvement yet -but I'm also on a mini-blast (test/trest/epistane) , if libido is affected, its probably because of trest.
No idea how it affects my estrogen either, as I'm on 0.5mg adex eod anyway.
 
BennyMagoo79 said:
The number 1 effect I get from dhea is a massive reduction of chronic inflammation in my knees, hands and lower bsck.
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My knees are better -but I thought the switch from squats to hack squats did the trick. Interesting!
 
Newth said:
Damn i hate only getting so little time to search thing's here.. hairygrandpa ... I got a bunch of sh!t going on...I'm, interested in any help....old age is creeping up in more way's than one.
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My tips to get young again:
-First: drop the crystal meth
-Second: grow a beard to disguise double chin
 
hairygrandpa said:
My tips to get young again:
-First: drop the crystal meth
-Second: grow a beard to disguise double chin
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Why drop the meth? Doesn't that have youth holding properties?
 
cheftepesh1 said:
Why drop the meth? Doesn't that have youth holding properties?
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A lot of people **** on meth. However, real(pharmaceutical) meth at medical doses is an amazing drug. Virtual zero side effects. Hell it even has neuroprotective properties (at low doses).
 
rtmilburn said:
A lot of people **** on meth. However, real(pharmaceutical) meth at medical doses is an amazing drug. Virtual zero side effects. Hell it even has neuroprotective properties (at low doses).
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Listen to the old stories from our Grandparents.
Young people have no drive these days...we just used to pop pep pills and go all day long lol.
 
rtmilburn said:
A lot of people **** on meth. However, real(pharmaceutical) meth at medical doses is an amazing drug. Virtual zero side effects. Hell it even has neuroprotective properties (at low doses).
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Listen to the old stories from our Grandparents.

They would say young people have no drive these days...we just used to pop pep pills and go all day long lol.
 
Taking off until Tuesday (last gym was Friday). Some doms in arms and chest, waiting until properly rested.
I figured I need at least 72 hours rest for a muscle group, with -or without roids. Old man is no racing car.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Taking off until Tuesday (last gym was Friday). Some doms in arms and chest, waiting until properly rested.
I figured I need at least 72 hours rest for a muscle group, with -or without roids. Old man is no racing car.
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Come on HGP your a Dacia with a BMW engine. What are you talking about
 
DemntedCowboy said:
Come on HGP your a Dacia with a BMW engine. What are you talking about
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Took me at least 8 month to figure it out. I have my best progress when going LESS frequent to the gym. Three days a week + 1 day for rehab workouts gives me the best results. Each workout day is one hour. I was doing full body 5 times a week and all progress stalled -or even lost strength on it.
Rest does the magic here, I'm 100% sure (assuming that your workout is truly full power max effort).
 
This sucks. Work is crushing me. That and I am trying to get up early and change my schedule. I got up at 5 this morning and ran 3 miles on the treadmill. There are two things I hate in life - getting up early and running. So it was all uphill from there.

I have no time for chatting though and I can't even catch up on this thread! All I know is I could use some meth!

That came out as poor me...its not. I just miss you guys.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Took me at least 8 month to figure it out. I have my best progress when going LESS frequent to the gym. Three days a week + 1 day for rehab workouts gives me the best results. Each workout day is one hour. I was doing full body 5 times a week and all progress stalled -or even lost strength on it.
Rest does the magic here, I'm 100% sure (assuming that your workout is truly full power max effort).
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I have been telling you this for how many years now?
 
HIT4ME said:
This sucks. Work is crushing me. That and I am trying to get up early and change my schedule. I got up at 5 this morning and ran 3 miles on the treadmill. There are two things I hate in life - getting up early and running. So it was all uphill from there.

I have no time for chatting though and I can't even catch up on this thread! All I know is I could use some meth!

That came out as poor me...its not. I just miss you guys.
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We miss your lunatic dieting approaches, we all learned from it. Well, since you're a "normal couch guy" again, all the action is gone.
 
hairygrandpa said:
We miss your lunatic dieting approaches, we all learned from it. Well, since you're a "normal couch guy" again, all the action is gone.
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I just said I woke up and ran!! Isnt that lunacy? I mean it was 5 AM!
 
DemntedCowboy said:
I get up and pee at 5 am. Does that count
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Lmao...I sleep standing up when I wake up to pee!

hairygrandpa said:
Nah. Sounds like benign prostate hyperplasia, all we old dudes have that.
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Lmao, that may explain it too! If I bend over will you check for me?

Also...It just occurred to me, you said my dieting taught you a lot? You didn't already realize that eating 600 calories a day would cause you to lose weight?
 
hairygrandpa said:
Taking off until Tuesday (last gym was Friday). Some doms in arms and chest, waiting until properly rested.
I figured I need at least 72 hours rest for a muscle group, with -or without roids. Old man is no racing car.
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Nice analogy dude. I have a Clubsport(like a road car that can play on the track) but the number one thing it needs to race is back support lol.
5 full body days a week. Rest up mate, we all need it.
 
0-330 mph in a little over 3 seconds !!!

Did I mention the Dude that drives this car is over 80 years old !!
 

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Newth said:
Lunacy, lucidity...much of a muchness. Sometimes a little crazy helps.
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If it weren't for crazy, I would have nothing!

Rocket3015 said:
0-330 mph in a little over 3 seconds !!!

Did I mention the Dude that drives this car is over 80 years old !!
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Yeah, and the race is over in under a minute. Sounds about right for an old man.
 
HIT4ME said:
I just said I woke up and ran!! Isnt that lunacy? I mean it was 5 AM!
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get off the darned treadmill and get outdoors!!!

here where I am it's very peaceful in early mornings, great for a run.
 
Newth said:
Lunacy, lucidity...much of a muchness. Sometimes a little crazy helps.
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thebigt said:
get off the darned treadmill and get outdoors!!!

here where I am it's very peaceful in early mornings, great for a run.
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There are two things I hate in life. Waking up and running. At least with the treadmill, no matter how far I run, I don't have to run back home too.
 
HIT4ME said:
There are two things I hate in life. Waking up and running. At least with the treadmill, no matter how far I run, I don't have to run back home too.
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Don’t we all.
 
Day 8

Still feeling a light energy boost an hour - or two after application, that seems to hold for the whole day. Sleep is definitively enhanced. Preg + DHEA counteracts the slight insomnia from Trestolone. Currently going through a stressful chain of events, hopefully "Neuro P5" and "Neuro DHEA" does something to help to keep my sanity.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Day 8

Still feeling a light energy boost an hour - or two after application, that seems to hold for the whole day. Sleep is definitively enhanced. Preg + DHEA counteracts the slight insomnia from Trestolone. Currently going through a stressful chain of events, hopefully "Neuro P5" and "Neuro DHEA" does something to help to keep my sanity.
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Fingers crossed for you bro.

My go to for stress and sleep issues is an Epsom salt bath - find it benefits me mentally as much as physical.....
 
Whisky said:
Fingers crossed for you bro.

My go to for stress and sleep issues is an Epsom salt bath - find it benefits me mentally as much as physical.....
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My go to used to be Jim Beam.... Since I have to work it out, this option is not available. :)
 
hairygrandpa said:
My go to used to be Jim Beam.... Since I have to work it out, this option is not available. :)
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Haha, I’ll let you into a secret, I haven’t always been a kale loving, Epsom bath soaking, classical music listening, go to bed early kinda guy myself......
 
Whisky said:
Haha, I’ll let you into a secret, I haven’t always been a kale loving, Epsom bath soaking, classical music listening, go to bed early kinda guy myself......
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I think a lot of us AM members have a "history". All the bad things I did in excess in the past are now substituted by excessively training. One addiction just changed to another. :)
 
hairygrandpa said:
I think a lot of us AM members have a "history". All the bad things I did in excess in the past are now substituted by excessively training. One addiction just changed to another. :)
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one hellava good choice, brother...as we used to say back in the day...F'ing A, man.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I think a lot of us AM members have a "history". All the bad things I did in excess in the past are now substituted by excessively training. One addiction just changed to another. :)
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100% agree, i think people like us have to do anything we do to it’s max - when I was drinking I was the best alcoholic I could be - now I’m into my health and fitness I’ll be the best I can be in that regard......
 
hairygrandpa said:
I think a lot of us AM members have a "history". All the bad things I did in excess in the past are now substituted by excessively training. One addiction just changed to another. :)
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100% agree, i think people like us have to do anything we do to it’s max - when I was drinking I was the best alcoholic I could be - now I’m into my health and fitness I’ll be the best I can be in that regard......
 
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