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hi guys asking for advice and peoples opinions on if there are any compounds worth taking pre/ intra/ post workout only which would not put someone on an actual cycle but would help with recovery and growth to boost their training.

The long and the short of it is I dont want to be on steroids on long term cycles and supress my own hormones as I feel I'm not bouncing back the way I used to so I was wanting just a bit of a boost and to also keep it interesting

I have been looking into hgh,insulin and maybe 10mg dbol because of the short half life and this will be twice a week only all timed around the workout so as not to supress me( done insulin in the past btw)

Maybe any of these or a mixture. pre workout IGF, pre workout high dose hgh ,insulin post workout only, test suspension, low dose dbol or other short half life orals,

I believe halo and cheque drops have an acute and almost instant effect but I've never looked into these at all so unsure

Maybe another one to throw out there for peoples thoughts could be very short moderate dose cycles 2 or 3 weeks with high dose HCG and a heavy PCT in place

appreciate any suggestions for anything that may help without being supressive and I'm aware any gains will be next to nothing compared to being on even a low dose test cycle but doing full cycles doesn't seem worth it any more and there must be more options out there than the natural supplements and basic creatine and a pre workout

Thanks in advance
 
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Mk-677, Hexarelin, Cjc-1295 DAC, Igf-1 lr3/DES, Cardarine, DMAA, Modafinil, heck even 50 mg of Sildenafil citrate (Viagra) will enhance protein synthesis for few hours and pump in the gym.
 

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I don't think I understand. You don't want to mess with hormones then propose basically various pulse cycles? Pulse cycles will still suppress you.... Halo takes time to take effect, I haven't heard of anyone taking it as mentioned.
 
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I don't think I understand. You don't want to mess with hormones then propose basically various pulse cycles? Pulse cycles will still suppress you.... Halo takes time to take effect, I haven't heard of anyone taking it as mentioned.
I agree with this ↑↑↑

Apex-Alchemy has a number of compounds that would fit your criteria (Dienogen wouldn't be applicable in this situation).

Take a look at the products, and send me a PM if you have any questions, @dirtyberty89

BTW, All Apex-Alchemy products are currently BOGO FREE.

 

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I don't think I understand. You don't want to mess with hormones then propose basically various pulse cycles? Pulse cycles will still suppress you.... Halo takes time to take effect, I haven't heard of anyone taking it as mentioned.
I've never used or researched halo or cheque drops so I was just asking the question about the compound having an almost instant effect as ive heard of powerlifters and fighters taking it before an event but I believe it's more for aggression so not much use to me. When I say I dont want to mess with hormones I mean in the sense of being fully shut down and also with higher blood pressure and worsened cholesterol for 12 weeks and then taking a couple of months to get back to "normal " I'm bored of the constant yoyo effect and the crash afterwards. And once we all get back into it properly after lockdown and when the gyms open again the natural training will get very stagnant and slow down after a few months
 
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Totally agree with the above

either run one of the better natty stacks properly

or

go the peptide route.

peptides would help with recovery but not growth so much

you appreciate nothing anyone can suggest will compare to an actual cycle though. Cycle like gains with no suppression are like a wife who is a fantastic mum, amazing life partner who never causes you grief BUT will still piss in your face while deep throating your cock in the bedroom. In theory you think it’s out there but in reality it doesn’t exist brother
 

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Totally agree with the above

either run one of the better natty stacks properly

or

go the peptide route.

peptides would help with recovery but not growth so much

you appreciate nothing anyone can suggest will compare to an actual cycle though. Cycle like gains with no suppression are like a wife who is a fantastic mum, amazing life partner who never causes you grief BUT will still piss in your face while deep throating your cock in the bedroom. In theory you think it’s out there but in reality it doesn’t exist brother
Haha we can still dream
 

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I've pulsed and I enjoy it.. just didn't want you to think it wouldn't surpress you. Over time dose and duration will be the main factor in the degree of suppression but if wanting to avoid suppression in general pulsing won't do that.

Evomuse has myosynergy on presale and blr is coming out with a natty anabolic in the next few days, might be something to look into. I'm thinking to run myosynergy and bmp stacked for 3 months while off peds 😁

Cialis is a fun compound too and possibly boosts lh over time, if anything like via gives a nice pump
 

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I agree with this ↑↑↑

Apex-Alchemy has a number of compounds that would fit your criteria (Dienogen wouldn't be applicable in this situation).

Take a look at the products, and send me a PM if you have any questions, @dirtyberty89

BTW, All Apex-Alchemy products are currently BOGO FREE.


I 2nd agree with this. I used to run Halo back in the day and it takes a few weeks to kick in. I believe Cheqeu Drops would shut you down pretty harsh. Now, I have heard of people using D-bol like this, but you'd still be messing with your hormones and probably be in the same boat as if you cycled.

Sounds like you have 2 choices. Either bite the bullet and go on TRT/stay on Test enough to keep levels normal and then cycle as you please or go the natural route. I also 2nd the natural Apex Alchemy products. They seem to be treating me well on my first cycle. I'm pleasantly surprised for being natural.
I'll probably go back on a cycle next month. I'm on TRT and so far it's great. Cycling without being on test was always a 2 step forward 1 step back yo yo
 
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LOL

A lot of different stuff going on.

For one ... Guys are referring to "Halo", but talking about totally different compounds.

:)
frequent occurrence with halotest......maybe because one is rarely used outside of powerlifters on comp day and the other is a pretty commonly used compound?
 

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Sorry my main question was are there any suggestions to enhance your workout and performance and recovery without being on a full steroid cycle to avoid long term suppression if we have the choice of anything and everything available under the sun legal or not and this will be for someone who is nowhere near their natural limit yet
 
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frequent occurrence with halotest......maybe because one is rarely used outside of powerlifters on comp day and the other is a pretty commonly used compound?
Yeah.

I think it is what guys get used to seeing it referring to.

Like "Epi"

Epiandro

Epistane

Happens a lot too.
 
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Sorry my main question was are there any suggestions to enhance your workout and performance and recovery without being on a full steroid cycle to avoid long term suppression if we have the choice of anything and everything available under the sun legal or not and this will be for someone who is nowhere near their natural limit yet
I mean anything like halotest, cheque drops (I mean I wouldn’t touch these if miss world offered to give it to me as a suppository using her tongue but your call bro), test suspension etc will all give a pwo boost, even epiandro I find does that but it’s not going to provide anything in terms of actual gains....

you’ll just lift heavier that session but then you’d need it every session to meet that level (similar to a good pwo drink - just more toxic).

id actually look at milos sarcev and try his protocol (basically all around pre and intra nutrient to drive growth).....now he claims to have obtained steroid like results without using steroids - clearly that’s questionable as **** but he backs it up with a reasonable logic (gun to my head I’d say he was saucy as **** but 🤷) - uses EAA’s and fast acting carbs etc

but reality is if you’ve cycled before then anything else is going to be like banging a virgin, worth doing but not as fun as you’d hope.....
 
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i dream of the holodeck from star trek next generation becoming a reality....the list of big titty porn stars on my bucket list is impressive :p
 
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You could probably get away with some of the ones you mentioned or maybe oral Trestolone, but no more often than once a week or once every other week. Even then you might get some suppression.

SR-9009, Cardarine or MK-677 would be the route I would go off cycle.
 
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Sorry my main question was are there any suggestions to enhance your workout and performance and recovery without being on a full steroid cycle to avoid long term suppression if we have the choice of anything and everything available under the sun legal or not and this will be for someone who is nowhere near their natural limit yet
Yes there is ! Motivation,will and have a vision. There’s only one way to avoid suppression and it’s to avoid steroids.
 
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Among with some good advices given I think the words "for someone who is nowhere near their natural limit yet" are the key here. I don't know how are you doing right now, but most likely you just have to keep at it and the progress will come. 'Slowly' is not bad if it's steady imo. And the things @Mathb33 laid out make the 90% of the progress anyway. Some natty supps help out and are worth a look as mentioned here already.
 

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I think this could be a viable option if already on TRT or basically and advanced HRT option, but you would be "on" most of the time. This is kind of what I do asides for some aggressive mini cuts here and there as I no longer have any use to blow up so to speak, just looking for recomp. Like mentioned above; peps, slin, hgh are gonna be your friend with maybe some pwo oral like dbol or sdrol. MA actually wrote a good article called the geezer cycle or something similar, which is TRT test, low dose nandrolone product, peps, and hgh. Once again your arent going to "blow up" on this, but I've always wondered if this would be a viable option for a long term healthier recomp. I've never tried it but I'd be interested to see for the sake of science.

Something else that isn't very popular that I've always had some interest in are the old Bill Roberts 2 on 2 off or 4 off cycles using fast acting androgen at higher doses like tren, dbol, prop, etc.... with the idea being "minimal" suppression. Minimal is the key word though, because any high amount of androgens should cause at minimal some suppression, idk but maybe the shorter time on will account for a faster recovery. However the gains will be very little as compared to a traditional cycle. I would look at this more from a blood work and health aspect rather than just suppression though, with the positive being that lipids, blood pressure. Etc... are only elevated for a short period rather than the typical 8-12 weeks. I think MA even wrote about the powerful orals such as sdrol you can gain in as little as 2 weeks, however this is obviously not pure muscle but glycogen and intracellular water storage mostly that gives the appearance of round full muscles.
 

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Sorry I am writing this on my phone and some of my sentences got rearranged and I hate tapatalk, sorry guys.
 

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OP isn't on TRT.
Yes, that's what I figured and said that the way he wants to do it would be better if he was on TRT and was on more of a comprehensive HRT program with less androgen and more peptides and possible pwo orals or trest. Sorry if that came out unclear. Like others have said, I think the way he is asking could aid in recovery and with consistency yield slower gains over time. OP you could try some of the shorter bill roberts style cycles. They aren't very popular, but I've read some good reviews. The whole point I suppose is to lessen the blow on shutdown and bad health markers with them, so it would be interesting to see results. I've considered trying them out myself as I don't like being on harsh compounds for am extended period of time.
 

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