Pre workout info

brundel said:
Yes one scoop. I never understood why you need 3 of most pre workout supps. Well...i know why...money. if you go through it 3x faster a company makes 3x more off you. Shady...scammy.
Ours will be one scoop.
If its too strong you can start lower and titrate up but every ingredient will be in there at the dose needed for full effect. Nothing in there for fluff. Like when companies use 1g creatine...for example. Just leave it out cause its worthless anyways.

Also while there will be stims in it we are not designing around the stim.
We are testing it without the stim so we know it works well without it.
We are testing some cool new stuff as well. A new type of vasodilator for example. The product will also have effects not common in todays products. Unique. Strong. Effective at 1 scoop.
Working very hard to get this ready for you guys.

2 new products coming within a month.
3 more in testing.
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So any hints to what the other new products are besides the pre?? Very excited for this pre workout by the way.
 
angcd3 said:
So any hints to what the other new products are besides the pre?? Very excited for this pre workout by the way.
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Yes sir.
We have a transdermal AI/fat burner and a very strong oral AI.
Logs are already up for the transdermal! The oral logs will start next week. Check em out.

Most likely the pre will come soon.
 
brundel said:
Yes sir.
We have a transdermal AI/fat burner and a very strong oral AI.
Logs are already up for the transdermal! The oral logs will start next week. Check em out.

Most likely the pre will come soon.
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Awesome! will check the logs out now.. !
 
brundel said:
Most likely the pre will come soon.
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So these guys want to know where their brother preworkout is. I told them I would ask.
 
And... Is it going to have bromantane? Just heard about it and looks interesting :)
 
I dont think we are going to use bromantane ;). Pretty sure its 100% synthetic. I already know personally more than one company owner whos received letters from the FDA about AMP. 100% synthetic stims are poor choices because if you make a great product and then have to stop selling it it sucks. Formeron comes to mind...sigh...
Instead I plan to make one they wont come after me for. There ARE some natural choices. We are looking at options and testing a few things.
If anyone has any stim ideas feel free to PM me. If you give me a lead that we use Ill send you 5 units of the new pre.
Needs to be a plant extract or derived from a natural substance.
 
brundel said:
I dont think we are going to use bromantane ;). Pretty sure its 100% synthetic. I already know personally more than one company owner whos received letters from the FDA about AMP. 100% synthetic stims are poor choices because if you make a great product and then have to stop selling it it sucks. Formeron comes to mind...sigh...
Instead I plan to make one they wont come after me for. There ARE some natural choices. We are looking at options and testing a few things.
If anyone has any stim ideas feel free to PM me. If you give me a lead that we use Ill send you 5 units of the new pre.
Needs to be a plant extract or derived from a natural substance.
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I have a few ideas up my sleeve :D
 
brundel said:
Hit me up. If it leads somewhere Ill hook you up.
I have something in mind already but itll take a **** ton of testing.
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i spent like 5 hours going over it lol it probably wouldn't work out well and the other version of it is synthetic and wouldn't be ideal. but im still looking at different things for now
 
Any update on the pre-workout? Right now, I am only using coffee or redbull as my preworkout and it's getting boring!!! Would really like to know the set date.
 
It's a couple months out. They're releasing their two ai's (oral and td) as well as a new Epi product and another natural mass builder. They're testing the ingredients individually to make sure they have a complete formula.
 
We are testing ingredients for the pre.
So far I have some concrete ingredients that are exceptional. IMHO there are too many kitchen sink products that have all these ingredients thrown in, many at lower than optimal doses. What happens is 90% of the product does nothing and you basically get a flavored caffeine product. May as well drink a 10cent cup of coffee. Everyone has this preconceived notion of what should be in a pre and the whole industry follows suit. Innovation in this arena is basically nil. 99.9999999999% of pres on the market have the same basic ingredient panel. The only thing you see change is some companies release new stims but this lasts for a week before everyone else is using it. DMAA, AMP.
If I cant break this mold I wont release. Period.

The good news is I can and I already have. Our pre is not like anything else. Youll see some similarities like vasodilation because it is valid. You will not see creatine. If you want creatine you can add it in to your stack for SUUUPER cheap. In our mix it wont be present.
Also there are several ingredients that have never been used before in any product. This alone will make for an exciting launch and some hype but when people try the product..thats when its gonna make an impression.
Miles above.
 
Good stuff always coming out of BLR !!
 
What about Beta Alinine.. I?

don't really like it in my pwo
 
vujade said:
What about Beta Alinine.. I?

don't really like it in my pwo
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I can tell you there are 2 surprises based around beta alanine.
Thats all i can give you hint wise because the ingredients have nevwr been utilized before.
 
brundel said:
We are a hormonal ingredient currently. If it works the results from it will be better than anything ive seen in a pre.
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how about the stims? if you can find a dmba replacement that works even better or just as well that is bioavailable, you will have a winner :) that is all i have been using lately with just caffeine and some ergogens has been quite effective/cost effective to
 
Yeah I wAnt a nice stim kick/focus with no y. I know it's very very difficult, if not impossible, to find compliant stims though.
 
Afi140 said:
Yeah I wAnt a nice stim kick/focus with no y. I know it's very very difficult, if not impossible, to find compliant stims though.
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Buy stim free & add ECA. Simple enough & perfectly legal :)
 
vujade said:
Buy stim free & add ECA. Simple enough & perfectly legal :)
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Oh I get my stims lol. Still have large amounts of dmaa, amp, and bronkaid.
 
How about a stim in it that doesn't last all night? I hate the megadoses of caffeine and yohimbine in all these pres and screwing up my sleep.
 
Finding a new compliant stim is very hard. I have a huge list of options. Many are just not safe enough in my opinion.
Well figure something out though.
 
That's what I'm talking about :)
 
Afi140 said:
That's what I'm talking about :)
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I can tell you that im 90% sure we will be using a mild stim never before used in any capacity. Only just recently tested. Veeery interesting stuff to say the least. Its not your average run of the mill cns stim either its...unique. youll see why ;)

Also 90% sure we are using a hormonal performance enhancer thst for sure nobody has ever seen.

And...a....vasodilator and certain type of inhibitor that nobodys ever seen in this state (the best way to explain it)

Finally there are some things you will have heard of but we improved on. Again youll have to wait to see what i mean.

I promise you this....you wont be disappointed.
Its gonna be exceptionally innovative
Fresh
Effective most importantly and....well worth the wait.
 
I'll be waiting for sure. Sounds awesome. I'm definitely over the pre market lately. If you've seen one you've seen them all. (With a very few exceptions)
 
Afi140 said:
I'll be waiting for sure. Sounds awesome. I'm definitely over the pre market lately. If you've seen one you've seen them all. (With a very few exceptions)
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Well....this is the problem. There is 0 innovation. Everyone just flavors a standard pre formula and says " introducing our revolutionary new product"
Creatine, beta alanine and caffeine!!!!! Get it while its hot! Obviously the ingredient list is longer but you get it.

Ours has 3 totally new ingredients never use before ANYWHERE. Ever.
It has new categories. So its not just a stim and creatine and a vasodilator. There has been a TON of work put into the design of this beast. I fully believe it will set a new standard.
 
Hey Brundel, do you have any updates for us? I am running low on my current preworkout, Genomyx Origin, which sadly isn't made anymore, and any existing stock is getting to be well past the expiry date. I definitely will need to pick up a new preworkout soon.
 
I'm waiting on the new Epi ??
 
Glad you all eager for this. Soon we will have something for you guys. Working hard on this
 
Im working on a batch to send out for testing. Hopefully I can get to it this week.
Will be testing component 1 that includes a new hormone ;)
Part of the vasodilation system
component 2/partial
Unfortunately I cant reveal what the components do but....its not the usual suspects.

Its taking time because we had to do a custom steroid synthesis project and several new compounds that are unavailable so custom ingredient synthesis and then of course extensive testing. Because this isnt just one ingredient or even 2 or 3 its taking forever but IM confident that this will be the best pre workout product ever developed.
 
brundel said:
Im working on a batch to send out for testing. Hopefully I can get to it this week.
Will be testing component 1 that includes a new hormone ;)
Part of the vasodilation system
component 2/partial
Unfortunately I cant reveal what the components do but....its not the usual suspects.

Its taking time because we had to do a custom steroid synthesis project and several new compounds that are unavailable so custom ingredient synthesis and then of course extensive testing. Because this isnt just one ingredient or even 2 or 3 its taking forever but IM confident that this will be the best pre workout product ever developed.
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you what...custom steroid synthesis? unrelated? what exactly are you working all on right now champ?
 
squirtguns89 said:
you what...custom steroid synthesis? unrelated? what exactly are you working all on right now champ?
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Yes sir. The pre will have a new hormone in it. We are testing it starting this week.
Like I was saying...this isnt gonna be like anything else anyone has ever used as a pre.
The pre has so far in the ingredient profile a new hormone and at least one ingredient..well 2 that is being used in a new form. I cant say too much but...the chemical structure has been altered to make it ...better.
So far we have not settled on a stimulant but we are exploring some interesting options. Ultimately its not going to be formulated around a stimulant.
 
brundel said:
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Yes sir. The pre will have a new hormone in it. We are testing it starting this week.
Like I was saying...this isnt gonna be like anything else anyone has ever used as a pre.
The pre has so far in the ingredient profile a new hormone and at least one ingredient..well 2 that is being used in a new form. I cant say too much but...the chemical structure has been altered to make it ...better.
So far we have not settled on a stimulant but we are exploring some interesting options. Ultimately its not going to be formulated around a stimulant.
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Boom A bomb have been drop!
 
brundel said:
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Yes sir. The pre will have a new hormone in it. We are testing it starting this week.
Like I was saying...this isnt gonna be like anything else anyone has ever used as a pre.
The pre has so far in the ingredient profile a new hormone and at least one ingredient..well 2 that is being used in a new form. I cant say too much but...the chemical structure has been altered to make it ...better.
So far we have not settled on a stimulant but we are exploring some interesting options. Ultimately its not going to be formulated around a stimulant.
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good stuff man, hope you have a huge hit on your hands. sounds like we will be waiting for a bit, but itll be one of the very select pres ill have to try.
 
brundel always looking for new stuff!! In case it has not been said "Thank You!"
 
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