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Pre-WO needed: No nitrates, no stim

MrOneEyedBoh

MrOneEyedBoh

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I didn't want to start a new thread but the other one took a turn and if I posted there someone might pass by since they already read it.

Anyway, looking for a PreWO that has no nitrates, no stims. I'm going to be taking it along with Oxymax and Alphamax, not directly but im going to,be running them as well. So I want to make sure there is no overlapping compounds.

Looking for a pump product with something to help with nutrient partitioning possibly or something that'll just help. I'll get some carbs from gummy bears, rice cake, etc. So I don't need the carbs anymore.

Thanks guys.
 
that's going to be alittle tough now a days as most non stimulant pre's are based on pump and nitrates are one of the top pump ingredients but:

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Yeah but what about all the negatives that go with nitrates? Scary stuff imo, not deathly but what about the years prior we used to use other things that worked well.
 
Agreed, that is tricky. Best bet(in my opinion) would be ordering individual ingredients that you are interested in running. For example beta-alanine and citrulline malate. Then just mixing them yourself.
 
Id look into Powermax XT, has full does of Creatine, Betaine, Alanyl-L-Glutamine, full 2g of COP for endurance and strength, huge dose of Amentoflavone as well as Glycerol and Tuarine. Youll get great strength increases, improve endurance and recovery as well as a strong pump from Amentoflavone+Glycerol!
 
Adizzle1 said:
Id look into Powermax XT, has full does of Creatine, Betaine, Alanyl-L-Glutamine, full 2g of COP for endurance and strength, huge dose of Amentoflavone as well as Glycerol and Tuarine. Youll get great strength increases, improve endurance and recovery as well as a strong pump from Amentoflavone+Glycerol!
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I like this idea. Amentoflavone is good stuff
 
^ Powermax XT sounds pretty nice, not a bad option to look into. But also keep in mind that you could create your own PWO without stims or nitrates. Agmatine or citrulline for pumps, ALCAR for focus, etc.
 
I'm afraid of the potential of cancer with the nitrates.

I wouldn't even know where to find which individual ingredients to get nor their dosages
 
MrOneEyedBoh said:
I'm afraid of the potential of cancer with the nitrates.

I wouldn't even know where to find which individual ingredients to get nor their dosages
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Nothing wrong with being more safe than sorry. If you did want to entertain that option, you can look for bulk ingredients with a simple search and find effacious dosages all over the web. Not saying that you have to do that though. Pre-made PWOs are very convenient if you find what you're looking for.
 
I mean you first have to see how you react to each ingredient. Something simple would be:

Citrulline Malate: 4-6g to start
Beta Alanine: 1g to start
Taurine: 1g
Agmatine: 250mg
Alcar: 1g

I like atleast 100mg of caffeine with that, but its just a start.
 
Just dump some CitMal and/or Agmatine in some Crystal Light and down it with a Huperzine tab? L-Tyrosine? Choline? Sodium Bicarb too (solo, an hour before). Not much else has an acute effect. Betaine is questionable according to Examine. The stims provide actual performance increases (CAF/EPH), but those are out you say.
 
MrOneEyedBoh said:
I'm afraid of the potential of cancer with the nitrates.

I wouldn't even know where to find which individual ingredients to get nor their dosages
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Nitrates are one of the reasons why fruits and veggies are advocated to be a large part of your diet. Don't chastise nitrates as a whole as they have very important positive effects on health. CERTAIN nitrates containing Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons are the carcinogenic byproducts of smoking and PROCESSED MEATS are carcinogenic while others promote heart health, good blood pressure and a slue of positive health effects. The reason why Beets are so renowned in the medical field is for the NATURAL nitrates beet's contain. So yes, some nitrates are carcinogenic and some actually promote health.
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
Nitrates are one of the reasons why fruits and veggies are advocated to be a large part of your diet. Don't chastise nitrates as a whole as they have very important positive effects on health. CERTAIN nitrates containing Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons are the carcinogenic byproducts of smoking and PROCESSED MEATS. The reason why Beets are so renowned in the medical field is for the NATURAL nitrates beet's contain. So yes, some nitrates are carcinogenic and some actually promote health.
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KNO3 isn't carcinogenic, but there is still some concern about long term use. Lot's of mitigating, anti-oxidant goodness comes along for the ride when you eat Beets/Arugula/Spinach - KNO3 not so much. There's a thread about it recently.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
KNO3 isn't carcinogenic, but there is still some concern about long term use. Lot's of mitigating, anti-oxidant goodness comes along for the ride when you eat Beets/Arugula/Spinach - KNO3 not so much. There's a thread about it recently.
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I agree here, we can't compare the isolated nitrate to a source of the nitrate such as beets and expect to get the same exact benefits that's a given and I should've made that clearer. However, things such as KNO3 have been studied, and for a short term use cycle maybe 1 month on 2 months off it's a relatively safe idea with maybe even some added benefits. Im all for being cautious, so what im saying is, the RIGHT nitrates are in fact healthy. As long as you're not smoking and frying up processed meats everyday you should be fine.
 
All you need is 1 gram of agmatine and 3- 4 grams of l-citrulline.

Go to Amazon and look those up in bulk. Hard rhino is reputable and so is bulk supplements. U can get like 250 grams of l citrulline for 15 dollars and 100 grams of agmatine for the same price. Bang, covered for 3-6 months for 30 dollars
 
I don't like nitrates either. I'd check out just making your own, grabbing L-Cit or CitMalate, Betaine, Creatine(if you want), and Agmatine.

If you don't feel like making your own, Ergonine, High Volume or Finish Line are all good products.
 
I would do 200 caffeine, 25ephedrine, 1 gram agmatine. Add some glycerine: GMS or hydro max and with a good amount of water. and some ala if you want nutrient partitioning. It's great with agmatine. The reason why I say ephedrine is because i found it great for strength and energy. EC has been as effective as many other preworkouts I've tried without as many ingredients.
 
EMPIREMIND said:
I would do 200 caffeine, 25ephedrine, 1 gram agmatine. Add some glycerine: GMS or hydro max and with a good amount of water. and some ala if you want nutrient partitioning. It's great with agmatine. The reason why I say ephedrine is because i found it great for strength and energy. EC has been as effective as many other preworkouts I've tried without as many ingredients.
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Yeah ephedrine is a great non-stim option

Lol
 
compan said:
Regular ole Hemavol has no nitrates and has been a top product in that category for years
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This has been my favorite stimulant free pump supplement for years and I made sure I stocked up on it
the last time I saw a good sale on it.;)

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This will last me a LONG time cause when I use it I only use 1 scoop combined with either
3 gm of L-Citrulline or 4-6 of Citrulline Malate.
 
EMPIREMIND said:
I would do 200 caffeine, 25ephedrine, 1 gram agmatine. Add some glycerine: GMS or hydro max and with a good amount of water. and some ala if you want nutrient partitioning. It's great with agmatine. The reason why I say ephedrine is because i found it great for strength and energy. EC has been as effective as many other preworkouts I've tried without as many ingredients.
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Do you even reading comprehension? :p
 
MrOneEyedBoh said:
Empire I thought you meant to use that in conjunction too I misunderstood ya.

Again I did love some EC...
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Yea bro Idk what I as thinking. I really just meant to add some agmatine and glycerol. With a good amount of water. Should be perfect and affordable
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
I agree here, we can't compare the isolated nitrate to a source of the nitrate such as beets and expect to get the same exact benefits that's a given and I should've made that clearer. However, things such as KNO3 have been studied, and for a short term use cycle maybe 1 month on 2 months off it's a relatively safe idea with maybe even some added benefits. Im all for being cautious, so what im saying is, the RIGHT nitrates are in fact healthy. As long as you're not smoking and frying up processed meats everyday you should be fine.
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I stopped KNO3 (only had one free bottle, no biggie) because I have less time to live (insert joke about PEDs, especially SARMS here) :D But I agree with above. I eat a can of Beets 1 hour pre on my two heavy days - Deads and Squats. Twice a week I'm fine with for the performance boost, I don't need it for curls and calf raises, LOL. This goes along with the recco from Dr. Mauro - on performance days, not daily chronic use. JMO.
 
I have to echo PowerMax XT. Full doses of creatine and betaine which both help with overall performance. Glycerol to aid with your pump and COP to help with endurance. Betaine is beneficial in other ways, such as having an anabolic effect at 2.5 grams, which is the dose in PowerMax XT. I'll link two articles below. It is a great overall ergogenic aid to help with performance and recovery.

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