PP lipids
- Thread starter Bigfishy
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keninishna
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Not yet but I'm guessing its similar to bloodwork on emax.
supersoldier
She thinks my traps'rrrr sexy!
Send some to SS...:box:
rhinochaser48
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It probably won't be as bad as superdrol is on lipids, but it's still an oral. Expecting it to be void of negative impact on lipids is probably a pipe dream. This phenomena seems to hold true for all oral androgens. Dealing with this aspect comes with the territory of using oral androgens.
snakebyte05
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rhinochaser48 said:
Which is why we need more non-methyl orals or transdermals. Im getting sick of all the orals, its like unless I want to always get stuff illegally I need to take methyls. I wish we could get soem new bulking compounds non-methyl, like we used to have 1-test and 4-ad along with a host of other ones. I miss 1-test.....
punta
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snakebyte05 said:Which is why we need more non-methyl orals or transdermals. Im getting sick of all the orals, its like unless I want to always get stuff illegally I need to take methyls. I wish we could get soem new bulking compounds non-methyl, like we used to have 1-test and 4-ad along with a host of other ones. I miss 1-test.....
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prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
I second that statement.snakebyte05 said:Which is why we need more non-methyl orals or transdermals. Im getting sick of all the orals, its like unless I want to always get stuff illegally I need to take methyls. I wish we could get soem new bulking compounds non-methyl, like we used to have 1-test and 4-ad along with a host of other ones. I miss 1-test.....
QUICKRYDE
Member
So, all these guys on "AM" took "PP" and no one had their blood tested?
{{{ This most be a first. }}}
I suppose to be adding "PP" to my 1ad cycle in January 2006. If I can't find the proper info needed to research this supplement, I might have to drop the "PP" from the cycle. :frustrate
{{{ This most be a first. }}}
I suppose to be adding "PP" to my 1ad cycle in January 2006. If I can't find the proper info needed to research this supplement, I might have to drop the "PP" from the cycle. :frustrate
julius kelp
Active member
i thought there would be a bunch of anecdotes on the pp, hard to search for "pp" too! i stocked up, would like to know a little more.
323mattb
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After 3 weeks of ErgoLMG (I cut it short because of nipple sensitivity) my HDL was extremely low and my LDL was pretty elevated. I have a scan of the bloodwork on my office PC, and I'll post it tomorrow if anyone's interested. Total test was not detectable, and estradiol was through the roof. Interesting though, liver enzymes were only slightly elevated.
ryansm
Well-known member
snakebyte05 said:Which is why we need more non-methyl orals or transdermals. Im getting sick of all the orals, its like unless I want to always get stuff illegally I need to take methyls. I wish we could get soem new bulking compounds non-methyl, like we used to have 1-test and 4-ad along with a host of other ones. I miss 1-test.....
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bigpetefox
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We all tend to differ in the genetic area, but I'll give my input.. 
My latest bloodwork showed my HDL to be only 2 points off, LDL was low also but nothing alarming.. ALT/GGT/AST(I believe) was slightly elevated but was ruled out due to athletes having higher than normal liver function to begin with.. Values were at 59, 50 or below is considered normal..
As I said, everyone is different.. My secret? 10g each of flax and fish oils daily..
My latest bloodwork showed my HDL to be only 2 points off, LDL was low also but nothing alarming.. ALT/GGT/AST(I believe) was slightly elevated but was ruled out due to athletes having higher than normal liver function to begin with.. Values were at 59, 50 or below is considered normal..
As I said, everyone is different.. My secret? 10g each of flax and fish oils daily..
bigpetefox
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No..tremelo24 said:
Iron Warrior
Registered User
Yep I hear you bro, that 1-Test was awesome ! BTW, if you a non-methyl cycle you can stack prostanazol, max lmg and finigenx, although finigenx is pretty dmn expensive.snakebyte05 said:Which is why we need more non-methyl orals or transdermals. Im getting sick of all the orals, its like unless I want to always get stuff illegally I need to take methyls. I wish we could get soem new bulking compounds non-methyl, like we used to have 1-test and 4-ad along with a host of other ones. I miss 1-test.....
blzr
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I found a current PP log on the bb forum which had some lipid values.
37yo
no baseline data
wk 1 PP @ 10mg/day
wk 2 PP @ 20mg/day
bloodwork taken at the beginning of wk 3
HDL 18
LDL 161
Total test 23
Continuing with
Wk 3 PP @ 30mg/day
Wk 4 PP @ 30 mg/day
Other supps listed
fish oil 6-8 grams/day
mono creatine
NAC
Multi
green tea
whey
Doesn’t look good for just 2 weeks, assuming his values were normal at the beginning. I guess it could be worse but he has 2 more weeks to go. I bet he will be in the single HDL by then.
37yo
no baseline data
wk 1 PP @ 10mg/day
wk 2 PP @ 20mg/day
bloodwork taken at the beginning of wk 3
HDL 18
LDL 161
Total test 23
Continuing with
Wk 3 PP @ 30mg/day
Wk 4 PP @ 30 mg/day
Other supps listed
fish oil 6-8 grams/day
mono creatine
NAC
Multi
green tea
whey
Doesn’t look good for just 2 weeks, assuming his values were normal at the beginning. I guess it could be worse but he has 2 more weeks to go. I bet he will be in the single HDL by then.
blzr
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Agreed.
He was asked in the thread about baseline values and he didn't have any.
But the majority of healthy 30 something adults will have better values than this. I would conclude that odds are his values were as well. (but there is no guarantee) But since we have no baseline it's all just a guess, he could have pre-existing problems with his lipid values.
I do think that this would indicate that people should be a little bit careful with PP just like any other similar supp. Many people have assumed that it was not as harsh on lipid values, but this MAY not be the case. I think that his info is better than nothing at all.
Unfortunately at this point we still don't know??
Just thought I would pass this info along.
He was asked in the thread about baseline values and he didn't have any.
But the majority of healthy 30 something adults will have better values than this. I would conclude that odds are his values were as well. (but there is no guarantee) But since we have no baseline it's all just a guess, he could have pre-existing problems with his lipid values.
I do think that this would indicate that people should be a little bit careful with PP just like any other similar supp. Many people have assumed that it was not as harsh on lipid values, but this MAY not be the case. I think that his info is better than nothing at all.
Unfortunately at this point we still don't know??
Just thought I would pass this info along.
ersatz
Well-known member
I think it would be fair to say that PP is at least partially responsible for that guy's poor lipid profile. The reality is that these compounds are harsh on the liver and affects lipids as well. Not sure how much poli or RYR would help but from the bloodwork taken several months after levels seem to return to normal so what cause for concern there should be is debateable.
