Powerlifting

Wow there are just so many. What is your main goal?
 
I really just wanna be as strong as possible. I've never had any experience with a true powerlifting program
 
crace23 said:
I really just wanna be as strong as possible. I've never had any experience with a true powerlifting program
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Well if all you care about is strength you could go with a standard 5-3-1 program or if your into high volume type stuff a mountain dog program is really good.
 
I think Wendler has a beginner template available. I'm also a fan of the basic 5x5 routines
 
I believe Chuck Diesel also got his start in Powerlifting. (He makes some Kick Butt Supplements also)
 
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It is a variation of the popular 531 routine.
 
I'm trying out the PH3 program now
 
TheMovement said:
I'm trying out the PH3 program now
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Too advanced for a beginning powerlifter, and it's more of a powerbuilding program. PH3 is only recommended for people with over an 1100 total already.

For someone new to powerlifting, I strongly recommend a linear program like Starting Strength. Huge / fast gains in strength with this, to be taken advantage of by someone new to strength training.

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531 has done very well for me over the last year. Very easy t follow and plan.

I don't have any experience with the 5x5 but I see a lot of beginners start there and see immediate success.
 
5/3/1 is great, but I wouldn't suggest that program to anyone unless they were beginning to stall. 5/3/1 is all about slow, constant progress/gains.

Someone very new to powerlifting will gain tremendously from a linear program.
 
I saw immediate jumps on 531. 130# on DL in 6-7 months and 100# on squat in a year.

Nothing wrong with slow progress anyway if doing a strength program. It's easy for a newb to let his/her ego exchange proper form for higher numbers.
 
True. I'm just thinking from a coach's perspective. My coach put me back into Starting Strength twice from my 5/3/1 program years back. I think the weekly increases were 5#, so it won't be possible to lift too much with ego or throw on too much weight, but what made it the hardest for me was that I really had to eat so much for recovery from squatting 3x per week. That was my only complaint to him lol. I agree, if the OP wants a less aggressive program, 5/3/1 is great.

If I were to jump back into a 100% powerlifting program right now, I'd likely choose The Cube, but that's also not for noobs.
 
I'm tempted to try the Cube (for bench) as well.
 
I'm transitioning out of a conditioning phase right now and going to try out Layne Norton's PH3 in a month or so. Going to have me squatting & benching 3x per week, and deadlifting 2x weekly, with a crapload of volume/hypertrophy work added in too. Once I finish that beast of a program, I think I'm switching over to the Cube, if I'm still alive hehe..
 
RegisterJr said:
I'm tempted to try the Cube (for bench) as well.
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Cube has never done crap for my bench - not the standard 1x/wk as written. It's most useful for my deadlift honestly as it keeps me pulling while managing back fatigue.

There's a reason Lilly wrote the Predator template - more frequently a raw guy can bench, the faster he gets better. The standard once a wk with some ohp on the weekend isn't enough for a weaker bencher as its just not enough work for most.

So Cube is great in summary, but it absolutely requires you to take ownership of your programming and be honest about what you need and what is and isn't working.
 
Hyde said:
Cube has never done crap for my bench - not the standard 1x/wk as written. It's most useful for my deadlift honestly as it keeps me pulling while managing back fatigue.

There's a reason Lilly wrote the Predator template - more frequently a raw guy can bench, the faster he gets better. The standard once a wk with some ohp on the weekend isn't enough for a weaker bencher as its just not enough work for most.

So Cube is great in summary, but it absolutely requires you to take ownership of your programming and be honest about what you need and what is and isn't working.
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That's actually good to hear (for me) because I'll need to pull back a bit on frequency after my next program, and then reintroduce it slowly.
 
Gutterpump said:
That's actually good to hear (for me) because I'll need to pull back a bit on frequency after my next program, and then reintroduce it slowly.
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I'm using it now again to get ready for comp. It carries a lot of principles we've seen work for Westside, which again is a system that demands the lifter really attacks their weaknesses intelligently to progress. But both programs are really more training ideologies in general vs a cookie cutter template - which is excellent as a lifter increases in qualification but suboptimal (at best) for a newcomer to strength work. Starting strength would be a great way to go there.
 
Hyde said:
I'm using it now again to get ready for comp. It carries a lot of principles we've seen work for Westside, which again is a system that demands the lifter really attacks their weaknesses intelligently to progress. But both programs are really more training ideologies in general vs a cookie cutter template - which is excellent as a lifter increases in qualification but suboptimal (at best) for a newcomer to strength work. Starting strength would be a great way to go there.
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Definitely agree with you there.
 
Two things you can take to the bank on cube predator. You will bench more than you thought possible in six weeks of work, and you will be beat to hell or on the razor's edge of an injury. Like Hyde said, it requires you to take ownership of how much punishment you should subject yourself to, not how much you can.
 
herderdude said:
Two things you can take to the bank on cube predator. You will bench more than you thought possible in six weeks of work, and you will be beat to hell or on the razor's edge of an injury. Like Hyde said, it requires you to take ownership of how much punishment you should subject yourself to, not how much you can.
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This is why I'm such a huge advocate of corrective exercises, prehab, rehab etc... I am living and training with a couple permanent injuries that don't require surgery (yet).
 
Gutterpump said:
This is why I'm such a huge advocate of corrective exercises, prehab, rehab etc... I am living and training with a couple permanent injuries that don't require surgery (yet).
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Even the best prehab doesn't cover everything with that kind of frequency, but we don't have Lilly's size, genetics, or drug regiment either.
 
Rodja said:
Even the best prehab doesn't cover everything with that kind of frequency, but we don't have Lilly's size, genetics, or drug regiment either.
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True, my regimen on PH3 should be decent though. Trest ace, GH, BPC-157 if needed. I still need to read up on predator. Cube is fairly new to me.
 
Gutterpump said:
This is why I'm such a huge advocate of corrective exercises, prehab, rehab etc... I am living and training with a couple permanent injuries that don't require surgery (yet).
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I spend more time weekly on prehab than 99% of people do training and ended up with shot elbows and pec injuries.
 
herderdude said:
I spend more time weekly on prehab than 99% of people do training and ended up with shot elbows and pec injuries.
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Is it worth it in the long run to follow a program that does this to you? I'd be more concerned with longevity.
You do lift far more weight than I do though.
 
Gutterpump said:
Is it worth it in the long run to follow a program that does this to you? I'd be more concerned with longevity.
You do lift far more weight than I do though.
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I think it You can tweak it to work for you and run it once or twice a year, you're good. I believe that's how it's meant to be utilized. It will help greatly if you're in shape, efficient, and healthy. If not, it's a risk. But it's all a risk to some degree.
 
herderdude said:
I think it You can tweak it to work for you and run it once or twice a year, you're good. I believe that's how it's meant to be utilized. It will help greatly if you're in shape, efficient, and healthy. If not, it's a risk. But it's all a risk to some degree.
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How are you planning to train after your meet?
 
Gutterpump said:
How are you planning to train after your meet?
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Good question. Not really sure, but after a meet I don't like to get too heavy for a month or so. Probably with minimal equipment and high volume with occasional Westside days in there. I like to use accommodating resistance often.
 
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