Post Cycle Support at the same time as SERM?

dothereject

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Do i take post cycle support with my serm or do i start it the third week into my serm, my serm is toremifene citrate
 
can i drink alcohol while on post cycle support or is that not recomended? i know im not supposed to for the ph and serm
 
why would you want to drink... you just invested time and money into transforming yourself... why toss it away at such a vital stage of this process. besides, if you went 4-5 weeks without it you will love for another 4 weeks.
 
It's your body and you can do what you wish with it...BUT:

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Read through the thread and click through to Par Deus' articles too.

If you do choose to drink, keep it social to moderate. Why waste all that hard work AND your body is still trying to recovery from the harm you've just done.
 
I'm sure plenty of guys here do drink. Moderation is key...and abstaining is even better, lol...
 
is it normal to have already lost some of my weight gain the first week into my serm. i thought the serm was supposed to help me keep the weight on but i already lost like 4 pounds
 
dothereject said:
is it normal to have already lost some of my weight gain the first week into my serm. i thought the serm was supposed to help me keep the weight on but i already lost like 4 pounds
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4 pounds in one week is not normal. Them SERM is not really going to keep gains it may help but your diet and training must be asw intense as it was on cycle.
 
is it the post cycle support that helps keep the gains? ive been trying to eat as much as i did on cycle but i guess im not if im losing weight
 
dothereject said:
is it the post cycle support that helps keep the gains? ive been trying to eat as much as i did on cycle but i guess im not if im losing weight
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PCS will help boost natty test and has some anti-e properties but it will not be what determines keeping your gain you really need to eat the same as on cycle and train just as intense.
 
dothereject said:
everyone ive talked to on here says pct helps you keep your gains besides bringing your body back to its normal state
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Correct not doing a pct and you will lose your gains but doing pct and not eating and training the same way as on cycle will cause the same.
 
Hmm, I thought maybe you were losing water weight, but that shouldn't be an issue with Spawn...not that I know of, anyway.

I'm not sure why you are losing weight that quickly. Maybe you need to up your cals about 250 - 500 per day and continue to up your weights while lifting...not sure bud.
 
just got done with epi/m-drol cycle..... lost the same amount of weight but i was all water... i would just keep an eye on it.... u prolly won't lose much more.
 
h2bek97 said:
just got done with epi/m-drol cycle..... lost the same amount of weight but i was all water... i would just keep an eye on it.... u prolly won't lose much more.
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Agreed some lbs drops is fairly normal in PCT but if you keep dropping at that type of rate then something is not right. Let us know how it works out and good luck.:)
 
i mean i dont feel as bloated as i did on cycle so some is prob water weight but i prob am not eating as much as i should, luckily spring break is coming up for me soon so i can restock on the food
 
my right elbow joint is hurting a little bit from the cycle, what is the cheapest, best supplement to get for joints? a bottle of glucosamine?
 
dothereject said:
my right elbow joint is hurting a little bit from the cycle, what is the cheapest, best supplement to get for joints? a bottle of glucosamine?
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That and upping your fish oil intake and lots of water. If that does not work have it checked.
 
tonight i made the mistake of putting the torem directly down my throat with the dropper instead of mixing it in water than drinking it...horribleeeee idea, my throat has a burning sensation now and a really bad taste
 
Do you have empty capsules? You could fill a couple of those each time you need to dose and there won't be any taste issues!
 
ive heard people mention them but i didnt bother to get any. mixing it with water and drinking in i have gotten used to but putting it right in my throat is not something im gunna do again. it sort of gave me a headache
 
dothereject said:
ive heard people mention them but i didnt bother to get any. mixing it with water and drinking in i have gotten used to but putting it right in my throat is not something im gunna do again. it sort of gave me a headache
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Ahhh the lovely taste of battery acid.
 
abstain!

dothereject said:
can i drink alcohol while on post cycle support or is that not recomended? i know im not supposed to for the ph and serm
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Dont drink man! I drank while using M1T and pissed blood the next day...Granted M1T was totally toxic to the liver, but still be safe man and wait till your totally done shoveling pills down till you start partying lika rockstar:nervous: Good luck!
 
Why is it recommended to start test booster with nolva in week 3 of PCT rather than right away? Is it more effective this way?
 
superfreak said:
Why is it recommended to start test booster with nolva in week 3 of PCT rather than right away? Is it more effective this way?
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With a product that has Trans-Res in it like Post Cycle Support we suggest that because it has some anti-e properties so if you stop the SERM and there is any rebound estro PCS should help. With something like TestoPRO I would start on day 1.
 
dothereject said:
besides stopping the estrogen a serm also boost test right? or is that just post cycle support that does that?
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Here is a good brief example of what a SERM does. It is used to bring the boys back it also blocks estro from binding to the breast receptors. A natty test booster will help restore your normal test production faster. The less time it take to get back to normal the better. With a harsh cycle that shuts you down hard without a proper pct you can be sure your gains will be lost and it could take a long time to get your test production back to normal.



After a cycle one should run a SERM to restart the HPTA. The HPTA is the hypothalamus-pituitary-testicular axis. A simple explanation of what this is your body's system of producing testosterone (and estrogen). The hypothalamus releases hormones which trigger the pituitary to release hormones such as LH which signal the testicles to produce testosterone (and sperm).
 
thanks for refreshing my mem. the only thing that confused me was why i would wait till the third week to take PCS and raise my test back to normal when i figure thats what would help me keep my gains the most
 
dothereject said:
thanks for refreshing my mem. the only thing that confused me was why i would wait till the third week to take PCS and raise my test back to normal when i figure thats what would help me keep my gains the most
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I think the benefit of anti-e properties would be better served in week 2 or 3 of pct any other test boosters non trans-res I would start right away.
 
My test booster will only last for two weeks, should I get another bottle so I can run it for weeks 3-6 of PCT or is fine just adding it on for weeks 3-4 along with my nolva? By the way I will be running a test booster with resveratrol.
 
superfreak said:
My test booster will only last for two weeks, should I get another bottle so I can run it for weeks 3-6 of PCT or is fine just adding it on for weeks 3-4 along with my nolva? By the way I will be running a test booster with resveratrol.
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Resversitol also has trans-res along with a couple of AI,s so you should be good. What cycle are you running.
 
dothereject said:
what is trans-res and is that found in the pro hormones or serms
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I will leave you a link on it. It is not in PH or SERM. It is found in some pct products like Post Cycle Support and a few other also in a test booster called Stoked. It is also used by alot of people for anti-aging. What it does is help boost natty test levels has some anti-e properties and is a excellent antioxidant.



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If Stoked is cheaper, then get it in place of the Post Cycle Support. They're both the exact same thing ;)
 
It has become much better over the past year. It's weird though, I won't need to point this out for a month or two and then I'll post it three or four times in a week :D:D:D
 
stxnas said:
It has become much better over the past year. It's weird though, I won't need to point this out for a month or two and then I'll post it three or four times in a week :D:D:D
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I hear that and I agree it has got a lot better.:)
 
ha yes i meant pcs by anabolic innovations. im almost halfway through my third week on my serm but it looks like the bottle is almost out, im positive i dosed the 90/60/30/30 right so far so i dont know why its running out so quick cause i did the math and the bottle was supposed to have enough for the four weeks, well see if it lasts i guess
 
dothereject said:
ha yes i meant pcs by anabolic innovations. im almost halfway through my third week on my serm but it looks like the bottle is almost out, im positive i dosed the 90/60/30/30 right so far so i dont know why its running out so quick cause i did the math and the bottle was supposed to have enough for the four weeks, well see if it lasts i guess
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Hmnn what was the SERM and how many ML where in the bottle and what did it claim 1ml was equal to?
 
30ml i think, it doesnt say all that on the bottle but i had talked to someone about dosing who had taken it himself, torem is my serm
 
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