ZoomZoom88
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This might be me freaking out, but what do yall think??
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This might be me freaking out, but what do yall think??
ZoomZoom88
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I ran a tren/mdrol stack. Tren 80/80/80/80/80; Mdrol 10/20/20. Im in the last week and was just getting a little scared cuz they were a little puffy.
mooch2321
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yes they are puffy....you probably need to take something for them....if you search you can find any of the 5 gyno threads ive responded to tday and use the advice there for yourself....my question for you is...do you really feel that you were at a point where you needed steroids? im not TRYING to be a jerk here but i cant help it.....you dont even look like you work out dude...and you just finished a cycle....why?...
mooch2321
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WeightShift
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The first workout partner I ever had was an old-timer. He use to ALWAYS say "If you're going to do steroids, you better ****ing look like you're on steroids."
ZoomZoom88
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ok well i dont think that the pics do any justice, im at 17.5% body fat right now, so im kinda plumped up a bit. i ate my ass of this cycle. im 5 10 and 190. and im pretty sure i work out 4-5 days a week. so if you dont think i lift then u might be a little to rioded out yourself..... not TRYING to be a jerk but....
ZoomZoom88
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SoCo4Fun
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hahahaha!
You just remind me of how it used to be back in the day...I used to get my **** packed in for posting pics 'cause I wasn't huge...ahhh the good ole days Triedia, original anasci, SSB, OSBB how I miss thee...
mooch2321
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nah..you dont have to be huge....i dont consider myself to be thats for sure...but cmon....
ZoomZoom88
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i dont feel that 5 10 and 190 is small tho?
Zero V
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You look naturally a lil wider, but from taking tren and m-drol is a rought combo for a starter. The generally recommended product for someone from 150-170 i see is usually h-drol or epi.
How many cycles have you done?
And why did you feel the need to use tren and superdrol? what was cycle support like. how much milk thistle were you taking? rest of your supports, and whats your plan for pct? if your still on and gyno is becoming an issues, imagine the effects once you go off cycle. Plus i believe prolactin could be playing a role since i am guessing your taking tren xtreme or the sort...
I have no issues personally with someone using a PH once they are over 150(Hight dependant)...(though many disagree) the gains are permanent, and it forwards you to your goal faster.
I know if I took Tren and M-drol, no matter how much I flippin ate I would come out with some definite increases in definition and mass.
a lil more info? do you have a log on here? what inspired you to run tren and mdrol?
ZoomZoom88
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Ive ran tren at a real low dose before( 60 mgs) for 4 weeks and loved it. and ive also ran a 10/10/10 of mdrol. so i just figured i would mix the two.
Ive ran tren at a real low dose before( 60 mgs) for 4 weeks and loved it. and ive also ran a 10/10/10 of mdrol. so i just figured i would mix the two.
Zero V
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gracias senor!
log looks good, and everything seems covered.
save for this tidbit.
"I have done 4 Previous cycle including Tren/epi/Mdrol/ all of which i have had successful cycles"
At the average gains on those cycles, I am guessing you started around 150. And also, I would think you would be over 200 now with 4 under, and finishing this one up.
ZoomZoom88
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thanks man
mooch2321
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5'10 and 190 at 17-18 percent bodyfat....thats different than a true 5'10 190....also this is after you cycled.....i think you should have spent some more time getting to know your body and learning about working out....honestly dude...even in your second pic...id still say you got plenty of ways to go before it was time to juice....but thats whats great about america....you can do whatever the f#ck you want.....unsubbed
Zero V
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if a person does real research, and have a history of lifting alot. And lift for the love of it, not for "the ladies" then why should they not be allowed to cycle. I am 150 atm, if I do an m-drol(which I wont) I would probably gain 15lbs, and in PCT since I am not near my max, probably be able to gain 1-5 more. So I would now be 170, and be able to keep gaining. Where as if you take a steroid, and your body is maxed out at lets say 215-240(I will never see 200...my body type) you will add 8-14 pounds maybe, but then lose them all as time goes on, even after PCT unless you use again.
I think the only issues here is the 5 cycles. How much of a break do you take in between?
The only thing I see is the fact that this is cycle 5 and he is only 190.
Zero V
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his log says *4 previous cycles*
I just want to say zoom, I just want to see you come out OK, I hope you find the best gyno advice the board has to offer. I am just wondering a bit about how much you tend to do this. Some one under 170, I could see running 1 lighter cycle a year for a small boost.
Edito!!!!
Frank Reynolds
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While i generally agree with you, why is it only people who are "newer" to the site that get this sort of "feedback" there are "vets" here that are in this same range, after multiple cycles, yet they are applauded? Just playing devils advocate
mooch2321
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as far as this goes...being 150 (unless your 5'5) means that you havent done your research and you dont have a history of lifting alot....honestly man....if your 150 lbs and going to the gym everyday....your doing something wrong....sorry
While i generally agree with you, why is it only people who are "newer" to the site that get this sort of "feedback" there are "vets" here that are in this same range, after multiple cycles, yet they are applauded? Just playing devils advocate
i keep it real...if i gave a different response to someone else it was becuase i had already done this in a different thread or i was unaware of their stats or didnt see a pic....
Zero V
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i have a very agile and flexible build, a few double jointed abilities, and crazy endurance in running. Every gene in my body screams to build my body for speed. Trying to bulk, and I have put probably 120 hours of research in, is the hardest thing I have done. Short of consuming 1/3 of a cow and 2 chickens a day, its hard as hell. And I dont play in the gym either.
I made fast and great gains when I started. I went from 160, down to 130 when I started lifting....this is when i started to learn, I cant eat enough. Like 4k cals and 300g protien a day would be required to maintain steady growth after 150. keeping muscle is easy as pie, gaining it is hard as hell for me. so I lost 30 lbs, and gained 20 after that. so that. I have a very small frame. Lost 30 useless pounds, put on 20 quality ones. That was a total recomp lol
You cant tell me I am doing something wrong. I thought hardgainer was a complainers term, but after many experiences. I believe in it... I tried for a year or two before labeling myself one. And trust me, i lifted hard. I believe I can reach 160 probably with decent pushing, but after that bro...its almost cheaper to use a PH than to pay the food bill lol.
Lighten up a bit bro.
It is zooms choice to use these, and we should offer as much help as possible.
jambarino
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While i generally agree with you, why is it only people who are "newer" to the site that get this sort of "feedback" there are "vets" here that are in this same range, after multiple cycles, yet they are applauded? Just playing devils advocate
not bashing mooch cuz hes right but i agree with you.ive seen alot of people on here who run 4 prohormone cycles a year and still havent broke 200 lbs.i caught hell for wanting to juice and have since decided against it for various reasons but for some reason some guys on here look absolutely terrible and get praise for running constant cycles.if ur 6'0 even and weigh 195 after three epistane cycles i dont respect or consider u to know so much about working out.when i wanted to get bigger i went to someone who was bigger and stronger than me for advice.not someone who was tiny and shredded and benches 185.just my opinion not trying to hijack the thread.
mooch2321
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i like you zero and i respect your posts.....but this is copout bullsh!t.....i was 135 lbs when i turned 21.....that was at 5'10....4 years later i was 185lbs...8 percent fat without using steroids....i am this hargainer you speak of....i did it...why cant you....like i said if your not gaining than your doing something wrong....and 4k calories is nothing.... youve gotta eat that to get big....you put on 20 lbs when you cycle you think your gonna keep that weight when you get off if you cant eat 4k cals...cmon man....
ZoomZoom88
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yes 4 cycles, which means... 1-2 just going by what people tell you at the gym, which dosent always get ya where ya wanna b. yes i aagree that i did 1-2 cycles way before i was ready but i dont need to hear your sh*t about it. This last cycle was to get every thing back from when i broke my arm. ill make sure when i do another cycle ill let ya know, just so you can whine about it.
Frank Reynolds
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totally agree Mooch. ^^
Ill be the first to jump in and say i did my first cycle way before my time. I got some terrible advice from a few "national level competitors" that were friends with my best friend. My diet and training were very much in check, however it was still far premature.
I then fell off from the gym for 3+ years, lost all my gains, and swore i would not do another cycle untill i lifted for a couple years naturally, got a solid base back, etc.. It was the best decision i ever made.
I WISH i had the good advice of people like kids have today. Advice that was looking out for my best interest. No one wants to hear they aren't ready for a cycle, or they are doing something wrong, but if the shoe fits....
ZoomZoom88
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Does anyone see anything about my nips i should be worried about??
Zero V
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I appreciate the comments mooch. You have some good points as well. Most of my hindrances could also come from injuries(achillese tedonitis I had, infections, etc).
Zoom...When you squeeze the nips, does anything come out? Also you mentioned a bump with the size being something like half a fingertip. Is it painful if you apply pressure?
Also how many of those other cycles were in the last 12 months, and which ones were they. What was PCT for em?
ZoomZoom88
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2 of those cycles were done more then 12 months ago. Both of which i just took novadex xt b/c that is what people at the gym told me to take. and the last cycle which was epi i stopped at the end of week to b/c of a exterional headache. so i only took tribulus. and that was at the start of jan.
Zero V
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That is alot of cycles without a SERM. Which i only bring that up because of the m-drol and epi and tren all being used. If you only had novedex xt, there is so much that is left kinda open. I am guessing your other cycles weren't as laid out and planned as this one? or were they. something like m-drol takes the body quite some time to recover, especially if you only have a test booster for PCT. This could be why this cycle is causing issues, your body may not have recovered completely from the other ones. Such as the half cycle you ended in jan.
Have you checked into some of the good gyno threads mooch mentioned?
ZoomZoom88
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The last cycle and this one is pretty much the only two i have done time and research on. i didnt know jack sh*t untill i registered here. I only did 20/30 of the epi so i didnt think i was in to much sh*t with that. I really dont think its gyno.
ZoomZoom88
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Ok well tonight i was check my nips and felt something not extremely hard, but something that felt like it kinda "pops" around when i rub it with my fingers. Its in my right nip, but there is no pain, lactating, or anything like that coming from it. what do yall think?
I just took 15mg of nolva, im hoping that will kill it.
I just took 15mg of nolva, im hoping that will kill it.