Possible for cholesterol support?

kjkriston

kjkriston

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Since Albuterol has been shown to lower bad cholesterol and raise good cholesterol could one use it during a AAS cycle as their cholesterol support?
 
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Effects of oral albuterol on serum lipids and carbohydrate metabolism in healthy men.

Maki KC, Skorodin MS, Jessen JH, Laghi F.

Edward Hines, Jr, Veterans Affairs Hospital, Hines, IL, USA.

beta(2)-Selective adrenergic agonists are used in the management of bronchial asthma and preterm labor. Due to their ability to increase muscle strength and size in animal models, new applications for these agents are also being explored for neuromuscular disorders and in rehabilitation. However, the effects of long-term beta(2)-agonist administration on lipoprotein and carbohydrate metabolism are incompletely understood. This investigation evaluated the effects of a beta(2)-agonist, albuterol, on serum lipids and carbohydrate homeostasis in eight healthy nonsmoking men aged 24 to 61 years. Collection of fasting blood samples was completed in duplicate on separate days at baseline, during 14 days of oral albuterol administration (Proventil Repetabs, 8 mg twice daily; Schering Pharmaceuticals, Kenilworth, NJ) and during a 7-day washout period. Carbohydrate homeostasis was evaluated using the minimal model technique at the end of the baseline and albuterol periods. Fasting glucose and insulin, intravenous glucose tolerance, acute insulin response to intravenous glucose (AIRg), insulin sensitivity (Si), and glucose effectiveness (Sg) were not significantly changed during albuterol administration. Significant alterations (P < or = .02) were observed in total cholesterol ([TC] -9.1% +/- 2.5%), low-density lipoprotein cholesterol ([LDL-C] -15.0% +/- 2.9%), and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol ([HDL-C] +10.4% +/- 3.2%) concentrations, as well as the TC/HDL-C (-17.4% +/- 2.6%) and LDL-C/HDL-C (-22.9% +/- 2.4%) ratios. During washout, TC and LDL-C returned to baseline levels, whereas HDL-C remained elevated by 5.8% +/- 2.4% (P < .05). Thus, albuterol administration was associated with favorable changes in the serum lipid profile without marked impairment of glucose tolerance or its physiologic determinants.
 
kool post and I appreciate it...why is it so hard to get multiple opinions...not that i dont appreciate yours cuz its def what i was looking for but I was hoping maybe there was someone who had used it...guess its a little new...none the less..im gonna use it during my SD prostanz cycle for cholesterol support.
 
Just a guess here but here goes.

As far as not many replies. It seems on many boards guys will chime in with their thoughts and it turns out they are just repeating what they have heard. IMO here on AM guys usually post when they have some direct insight in that they have actual experience or they post a research article.

So there may be less responses but the ones that there are USUALLY will be more experienced based.

With that said to really answer your question we would have to have a guy who had gotten his Chol tested before, during and after a cycle then the same again but this time using Albuterol. Ya see where I am going right?


CROWLER
 
Totally agree.....wasn.t so much surprised as dissapointed...I guess I could be that guy....got to find a lab that's reasonable and a time peroid where I'm only interested in just dosing albuterol (which we all know that one supp. at a time is rare)...but I think I might do it to set a precedent. I could be a first...sounds good...but unfortunately you guys are gonna have to wait till after new years...if theres some one out there who HAS already done it PLEASE let me know.
 
AH now I understand better bro thanks

Yea I would love to know, it would be very interesting to find out.


CROWLER
 
Although....Maybe I would be a bad subject...cuz I've had a recent physical and my cholesterol was good.....hmm....I think we need a subject with high cholesterol to have before and after blood work done on an albuterol only cycle...any volunteers?
 
The sides from oral albuterol are too high.

My wife is a respiratory therapist.

Niacin or nicotinic acid is better for cholesterol.

Regards,
R
 
Ummm....well...I beg to differ. I just did a 2 week cycle of albuterol at 12MG every day and the only sides I had were shakey hands for the first five days...then the rest was golden. My question is if the good cholesterol effects albuterol has are good enough to be the only cholesterol support while ON.
 
kjkriston said:
Ummm....well...I beg to differ. I just did a 2 week cycle of albuterol at 12MG every day and the only sides I had were shakey hands for the first five days...then the rest was golden. My question is if the good cholesterol effects albuterol has are good enough to be the only cholesterol support while ON.
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I think the question is can anything help cholesterol levels while on cycle. There's blood work around here from guys who were running policosanol, RYRw, CoQ10, high doses of garlic, etc. The last methyl cycle I did, quite a while ago now, the bloodowrk done by my doctor showed cholesterol that wasn't bad, but obviously not as good as previous numbers, and I think I was taking over a 1000mgs of poli a day while on, with my usual fish oil as well.

I think right now the best you can hope for regarding lipids is to control them before a cycle and to get them fully recovered as quickly as possible post cycle.
 
kjkriston said:
Ummm....well...I beg to differ. I just did a 2 week cycle of albuterol at 12MG every day and the only sides I had were shakey hands for the first five days...then the rest was golden. My question is if the good cholesterol effects albuterol has are good enough to be the only cholesterol support while ON.
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I think that the effectiveness of the statins in RyR, along with Niacin and Policosanol are superior to albuterol.

My wife is a respiratory therapist and the reason that they give it through nebulizers is to minimize the sides.

I guess my point is why have ANY sides when you have effective supplements that you can use instead?

Later,
R
 
I appreciate the input and better understand your other post now. I will def. pick up some niacin as well. What is policosanol?
 
Check out

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and search for the word policosanol. There are about 100 papers that will come up.

10mg of the stuff seems to be the right dose to start with. The One-a-day vitamin product has a special anti-cholesterol version with it as well.

Policosanol is also pretty cheap.

Later,
R
 
I picked up some nicin and took 100mg.....I feel wierd...like my skin is crawling and burning...is that normal?
 
kjkriston said:
I picked up some nicin and took 100mg.....I feel wierd...like my skin is crawling and burning...is that normal?
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Yup. Welcome to the niacin flush.:lol:
 
I dont understand what you mean by flush....like the feeling of being flush or is it actually flushing me out?
 
OKAY.....The albuterol you use in an inhaler is about 1/20th the dosage of what I was talking about. There for you could very well have high cholesterol and use it everday. An inhaler dispenses roughly 50-90 micro grams. I was talking about 12 Milligrams per day through oral liquid.
 
kjkriston said:
OKAY.....The albuterol you use in an inhaler is about 1/20th the dosage of what I was talking about. There for you could very well have high cholesterol and use it everday. An inhaler dispenses roughly 50-90 micro grams. I was talking about 12 Milligrams per day through oral liquid.
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True, but you're taking albuterol for a few weeks, not 12 years.
 
That's completely irrevelant since the half-life of albuterol is about 5 hours....therefore that 12 years of taking it means jack after 5 hours of your micro dose through an inhaler. Do some research on it if you want to debate this. Not being adversarial but I've researched the **** out of it. And I'd say I'm pretty well informed. Also If you've read the whole post there's scientific data to support my cholesterol support theory.
 
kjkriston said:
I picked up some nicin and took 100mg.....I feel wierd...like my skin is crawling and burning...is that normal?
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Hi KJ,

Wow, even at 100 you are feeling it, eh? I guess you are a big responder - I hope the cholesterol goes down!

Couple of suggestions:

1) Take aspirin about 60 mins before the Niacin. If this does not help, you can take a small dose of aspirin AFTER you take the Niacin. If you get a bad reaction (flush) take a full dose of aspirin (2x325 mg) - it will make it go away.

2) Try getting a timed release version of the Niacin. See if your Doc is willing to write an Rx for Niaspan, which is a GREAT med that I am taking. 500 mgs of the stuff and NO flush. I take it at night before I go to bed.

3) If you stay with the simple niacin, you may be able to ramp it up over time to get a higher dose.

Good luck!
R
 
Listen, I was pointing out that a lower dose over a 12 year periods holds a lot more weight than a few weeks use. Do some research? Please allow me correct your argument.

You're assuming that I'd been using it once per day. Wrong. I commonly use it 3-5 times a day, sometimes as high as 10, so you're half-life argument holds no water.

Of course the dosage is lower because the albuterol is inhaled, not taken orally. An inhaled dose is absorbed much faster though the lungs, thus changing how the compound interacts with the body. Taking albuterol orally will slow its release, alerting slightly the way it affects the body. You'll have less jitters, anxiety and other negative effects because of this slow release. Think smoking weed versus eating a weed brownie. Inhaling albuterol will have an almost instantaneous effect. The side effects are more pronounced because of the rapid absorption into the body. Ask my buddy who decided to hit my inhaler 10x in a row. He was literally shaking for over 4 hours before he came down.

So how many 90mcg puffs equal 4mg of oral albuterol? I have no clue, but its probably a lot less than you think. I'm assuming that oral albuterol has been forumlated to have a similar effect as the inhaled version. Since they are both the same half-life, the dosage will most likely be very similar.

Try inhaling a 4mg dose of albuterol and you'd probably think you were high on meth.

Also, I was in no way stating that albuterol cannot reduce cholesterol. I was just stating my situation. You're looking for an argument that wasn't there. Albuterol may, in fact, reduce cholesterol. I could care less either way. Do some more research.
 
I appreciate the suggestions...BTW I don't currently have high cholesterol. I am using the niacin to combat any raise in it while I'm on my Superdrol cycle. The flush only lasted like 30 mins. yesterday. Wasn't worried. Just wanted to know if that was normal.
 
I took your orignal post as a statement that albuterol would not work. That's all. Sorry for the confusion.
 
kjkriston said:
I took your orignal post as a statement that albuterol would not work. That's all. Sorry for the confusion.
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That's fine. I plan on inhaling a 4mg dose to see if its really like meth.
 
i thnkk thats a very bad idea....I'm pretty sure you'd have to take like 100 puffs to do that...sounds like an overdose in the making
 
kjkriston said:
I dont understand what you mean by flush....like the feeling of being flush or is it actually flushing me out?
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Feeling of it. That you're feeling it at 100mg is a little unusual, but not really. they have no flush versions if you really don't like the feeling.
 
This is just anecdotal, but when in college my ex was on Proventil repatabs for asthma. Every 3 months or so the albuterol would build up to such a level in her system that she would end up in the hospital...so I'm not sure about the 5 hour half life. In addition, whenever she went on it she would drop 10-15 lbs in the first couple weeks so I think this bears out it's usefulness as a weight loss agent. Just my .02
 
Oh believe me it most definetly has weight loss ability...I lost 6 SOLID lbs in 15 days with little to no cardio..just my daily lift and a diet just above maintenance.... as far as your ex thats a curious situation because its science about the half life..and with experience taking it I can say that the effects Def. wear of rather quickly...around 5 hours. I dont understand the build up problem with your ex....are you sure proventil is the same as albuterol sulfate?
 
Yeah, Proventil Repatabs are albuterol sulfate...sux 'cause she doesn't take them anymore...asked about it and she was like well I have some left do you want them? Then she says only 2... :jaw: damn it! Thank goodness for the board sponsors :thumbsup:
 
carib102 said:
Yep I got my RYR there too...but for research my rats kinda like IBE, because they want to try Oratropin :)
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I love IBE, but there shipping as fallen off the deep end. I ordered on dec. 10th and still havent received my package. Its frustrating, but I understand the Katrina road block and now the holidays. Hopefully I'll get my **** soon though.

I bought clen, but was wishing now that I ordered albuterol.
 
yeah.....I would tell you to try clen...just for the experience...but I don't really wish that on anyone anymore....not after finding albuterol.....but you might as well try it....just stay under 100mg ED.....sounds low but it'll save you from the bad sides...
 
I've use dmy fair share of clen and never really noticed sides. I just dont like the effect it does with our heart.

I'm going to go ahead and use it this time though. porbably hitting 200mcg ED
 
Well your a bigger man than me. Everytime I got around 140mcg I couldn't take that feeling anymore. Good luck.
 
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