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POLL: Designer Steroids: let's rate them

Which ones are Hottest? Select 1 or 2

  • Ergomax LMG

    Votes: 81 7.1%

  • FinigenX

    Votes: 37 3.2%

  • Halodrol-50

    Votes: 301 26.3%

  • MAX LMG

    Votes: 26 2.3%

  • Methoxy-TRN

    Votes: 76 6.6%

  • Pheraplex

    Votes: 334 29.1%

  • Prostanozol/Orastan

    Votes: 62 5.4%

  • Superdrol & knockoffs

    Votes: 671 58.6%
  • Total voters
    1,146
my experiences with SD and PP:

SD:
-huge strength increases
-super fast weight gains
-noticeably decreased bf
-greatly increased vascularity
-horrible lethargy
-slight shedding
-terrible lower back pumps
-lowered libido
-sore elbows (something i never get)

PP:
-good strength/weight gains
-increased libido
-elevated blood pressure
-bloated me pretty bad
-good sense of well-being, similar to a low-dose test cycle

for me i'd use SD for bulking and PP for cutting. SD would be a bad cutter, imo, because of the possibility of going hypo if you don't time carbs properly as well as the lethargy. PP does bloat, but i dropped the water about 1 week into pct.

the rest i have yet to try, but m-trn looks awful tempting...:twisted:
 
biotekguymba said:
Careful with the strength. REMEMBER, muscle tissue grows much faster than connective tissue. Do NOT, NOT NOT NOT, try to lift as much as you can. You will probably injure yourself. It will be EXTREMELY tempting to lift super heavy, but do NOT dammit.
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i couldn't agree more. the strength gains were almost scary by the third week for me @ 20mg ed. i moved up 35 lbs on incline db bench in three weeks (105's to the 140's), but had to back off because of shoulder pains.
 
Superdrol worked great for me. When it kicked in my bench went up not only in weight but in reps (go figure). I also felt fine while on it but didn't want to go past 4weeks on.
E-max on the other hand wasn't happening for me though. I ran it by itself for almost two weeks and had to stop because I felt really depressed and hopeless, not to mention no gains what-so-ever. Thankfully alri replaced it for me free of charge.
 
Wanker527 said:
my experiences with SD and PP:

SD:
-huge strength increases
-super fast weight gains
-noticeably decreased bf
-greatly increased vascularity
-horrible lethargy
-slight shedding
-terrible lower back pumps
-lowered libido
-sore elbows (something i never get)

PP:
-good strength/weight gains
-increased libido
-elevated blood pressure
-bloated me pretty bad
-good sense of well-being, similar to a low-dose test cycle

for me i'd use SD for bulking and PP for cutting. SD would be a bad cutter, imo, because of the possibility of going hypo if you don't time carbs properly as well as the lethargy. PP does bloat, but i dropped the water about 1 week into pct.

the rest i have yet to try, but m-trn looks awful tempting...:twisted:
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Noticed shedding on SD but NOT on PP? :think: Strange, isn't PP about 9x more androgenic than SD? I know Ergomax is, and thats coming straight from the Doc. If you shedded on SD then I would imagine you definately will with Trn. Maybe you got lucky with PP. Go figure.
 
SecretOfSteel said:
you didn't leave an option "they're all crap"

compared to test, they're junk.
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Not necessarily, at least I don't think so. Granted you cannot run them for near as long as test, but in my experience the designer orals (in particular Superdrol) gave me the best STRENGTH gains over test bar none.

Which ones have you tried?
 
On other boards, most people that ran PP as a stand alone reported bloating, and the gains were pretty "wet". SD gives you gains that are a lot more dryer. It would make sense to run PP with a repartitioner like Prostanozol.

I did a cycle of SD, and it wasn't too bad as far as my well being, but there were side effects. I coudn't do any deadlift/lower back work, as my pumps were extremely painful, and I had to restrain myself from walking for 15min. Pottasium helped, but it was still there. Also, after the cycle, my libido was gone for a month, but Rebound XT contributes to it. My shoulder was hurting like a ***** too.

I'm about to do a cycle, but its definitely not going to be SD. I have a gf, and really can't afford to lose my libido for that long. If not for libido, I wouldn't worry about any other side effects.

I have a bottle/dose of all almost every designer oral steroid, and I'm scheduled to run another cycle near the mid of April.

Its either going to be Halodrol 50/Prost or PP/Prost.
 
CNorris said:
Is 1-test worth $50/week if i have access to some? I have some methyl masterdrol right now. Should I cycle 1 test instead?
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As a guess id say no, try searching it on any search engine, se what it sells for. you should educate your self about the compounds you intend to ingest and the responses on your body. by reading the product reviews evaluating the pros and cons as well as determining a complete plan you can equip your self mentally and physically to actually do more good than bad. good being healthy, bad being unaware of risks in altering hormones.
 
In light of my recent halo log I will say that it is a great compound, with minimal sides. I gained a marginal amount of mass and some good strength. for further details check the log. Some highlights
no acne, no fatigue, slightly eleveated BP, no bloat, no water retention, no painfull lower back pumps. I n the future i would run a diff cycle with the last 10 days at 75 mg instead of the standard 50mg for 30 days, as the strength factor really kicked in at 75 Mg but was not really a major factor at 50mg. I have not tried any of the other compounds and can offer no basis for comparison.
 
The thing is... suposedly pheraplex is DMT, same with ergomax LMG. DMT does not convert to estrogen. so where is all this gyno coming from???????
 
UltimateFighter said:
The thing is... suposedly pheraplex is DMT, same with ergomax LMG. DMT does not convert to estrogen. so where is all this gyno coming from???????
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Theory and real world has been resounding different with each and everyone of these compounds... honestly there just isnt enough known about them all to make a be all end all conclusion.

Adams
 
UltimateFighter said:
hmmmmm.. so on a cycle of DMT would nolva during be advisable??????? or formestane.
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No... listening to your body is advisable. If symptoms arise... deal with them accordingly.

Adams
 
thats the typical medical industry response.

DOC: so what's wrong?
ME: My back hurts!
DOC: here is some ibuprofen
ME: *walks out with SI joint disfunction*

thanks doc
 
UltimateFighter said:
why deal with the symptoms when you can prevent the cause?
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If you say so. Nolva has liver toxicity in itself... so why not just go ahead and make yourself a nice Jaundice ****tail while you are at it.

PP/SD/MOHN sounds about right.

Bottom line why treat for something that might not happen.. and if you do show symptoms they are easily reversed???

Adams
 
Superdrol was my favorite, I blew up, lost bf, and my strength saw tren-like increases... My workout partner, who was running the same dosage as me, stopped working out w/ me b/c he swore I was "on something" (real juice) in addition to the superdrol and thought I was lying to him when I said "dude I swear I'm taking the same thing you are, I'm just watching my diet and eating right every day". but it was my first so, take it for what it's worth...
 
why even waste money on these designer steroids when real juice thats not toxic to the liver is out there. I know everyone is going to say bc its legal....
 
pyro264jb said:
why even waste money on these designer steroids when real juice thats not toxic to the liver is out there. I know everyone is going to say bc its legal....
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Just cause they are legal doesn't mean they are crap.

the gains off most designers are great, the cycles are shorter, quicker recovery/pct, they are legal, there's no pinning (and problems associated), the price:gains ratio is far better than real juice, and they are just as enjoyable.

If you have ancillary supps and take proper time OFF then liver toxicity shouldn't be a major concern.

Those are all my reasons for sticking to designers.
 
doom3q said:
the price:gains ratio is far better than real juice
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ooooo SNAP! You obviously have some bulsh1t sources for common gear then. Supp companies overcharge the sh1t out of their OTC designers. If you found a way to get the raw goods, you would be retracting that statement fast.
 
Ubiquitous said:
ooooo SNAP! You obviously have some bulsh1t sources for common gear then. Supp companies overcharge the sh1t out of their OTC designers. If you found a way to get the raw goods, you would be retracting that statement fast.
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Thats true, now days there are domestic sources out there selling 6 week supplies of Dbol for under 50 bucks. And test for like 20-30 bucks a vial 10ml 200-300mg's/ml. Short cycles can also be done with the more well known and established oral compounds or even the shorter ester injects if the individual wanted to utilize the quick recovery in PCT advantage.
So that basically leaves only one advantage, and thats legality of designers. And I can understand that alot of people are in a line of work that took them a long time to move up in, and getting popped for a felony could blackball them from their entire industry. And even those who arent in that situation, I can see why decreased risk of being thrown in a cage for what is ostensibly minding ones own bussiness is a factor that many users consider.
The only line of reasoning I dont really understand is the "not having to deal with needles" mentality. This isnt heroin were talking about, the orals ARE NOT safer, and everyone here knows that, or should. Do people associate injections with more dangerous drugs just because some of the more dangerous rec drugs happen to be injectable? I just dont get it. Testosterone is a familiar compound to the human body, it has zero negative effects on the liver. Most healthy peoples lipids dont get as out of wack on it accept when administering pretty extreme doses. Nearly all the safest AAS compounds are injectables, with the possible exception of oxandrolone and metholone (wich comes in both inj, and oral). So seriously, what gives? As I said if its a legality of needles thing, I can understand that, but if not then is it just laziness? Do they think its going to hurt? Do they think its that hard or time consuming to administer an IM? Do they just not want to take the time to learn? Are they afraid they will be incapable of practicing proper sterilization? I really want to know? Im just not gettin it.
 
UnicronSpawn said:
Thats true, now days there are domestic sources out there selling 6 week supplies of Dbol for under 50 bucks. And test for like 20-30 bucks a vial 10ml 200-300mg's/ml. Short cycles can also be done with the more well known and established oral compounds or even the shorter ester injects if the individual wanted to utilize the quick recovery in PCT advantage.
So that basically leaves only one advantage, and thats legality of designers. And I can understand that alot of people are in a line of work that took them a long time to move up in, and getting popped for a felony could blackball them from their entire industry. And even those who arent in that situation, I can see why decreased risk of being thrown in a cage for what is ostensibly minding ones own bussiness is a factor that many users consider.
The only line of reasoning I dont really understand is the "not having to deal with needles" mentality. This isnt heroin were talking about, the orals ARE NOT safer, and everyone here knows that, or should. Do people associate injections with more dangerous drugs just because some of the more dangerous rec drugs happen to be injectable? I just dont get it. Testosterone is a familiar compound to the human body, it has zero negative effects on the liver. Most healthy peoples lipids dont get as out of wack on it accept when administering pretty extreme doses. Nearly all the safest AAS compounds are injectables, with the possible exception of oxandrolone and metholone (wich comes in both inj, and oral). So seriously, what gives? As I said if its a legality of needles thing, I can understand that, but if not then is it just laziness? Do they think its going to hurt? Do they think its that hard or time consuming to administer an IM? Do they just not want to take the time to learn? Are they afraid they will be incapable of practicing proper sterilization? I really want to know? Im just not gettin it.
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yup

There more expensive . And from what Ive been reading on here there tearing up peoples livers.

I may give superdrol a ride in a few weeks. Well see




note- I did once cycle of prohormones 8 years ago when I was in high school and loved it. I took 19 nor and muscletech creatine and gained 16 lbs on solid size on 8 weeks :)
 
you all make valid points.
Obviously my sources are crap :rant:

The oral route is definitely alot easier, and there is no risk of infection, soreness, or hitting a vein. Although it may not be safer for the liver.

So seriously, what gives? As I said if its a legality of needles thing, I can understand that, but if not then is it just laziness? Do they think its going to hurt? Do they think its that hard or time consuming to administer an IM? Do they just not want to take the time to learn? Are they afraid they will be incapable of practicing proper sterilization? I really want to know? Im just not gettin it.
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I think it's all those reasons.

Real gear or designers, there are good reasons for choosing either.
 
SAMe for liver !

Looks to me like the over the counter suppliment SAMe,would be a great additon during SD or PP.

Support of Liver Function:

SAMe aids the liver in neutralizing toxins, free radicals and carcinogens. Because of SAMe's effects on the liver, it enhances the elimination of various drugs from the body.
SAMe has also been shown to protect the liver and body from the effects of excess and unbalanced estrogen levels, seen in some estrogen replacement therapy, oral contraceptive use, and premenstrual syndrome.
 
Re: SAMe for liver !

theBuck said:
Looks to me like the over the counter suppliment SAMe,would be a great additon during SD or PP.

Support of Liver Function:

SAMe aids the liver in neutralizing toxins, free radicals and carcinogens. Because of SAMe's effects on the liver, it enhances the elimination of various drugs from the body.
SAMe has also been shown to protect the liver and body from the effects of excess and unbalanced estrogen levels, seen in some estrogen replacement therapy, oral contraceptive use, and premenstrual syndrome.
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I take that stuff every once in a while, but it's wicked expensive to use more than a couple weeks. At least from Walgreens and CVS.
 
Personally, the reason I have only done cycles of these orals is because of convenience. It is way easier to eat a couple pills then to get a needle and inject yourself. Then again, most of the time you only have to inject 2 times a week so I guess its more convenient then carrying around pills and trying to time the doses.

Anyhow, another convenience factor is being able to go on here and order whatever I want from a webpage and then take it. What it really boils down to is I dont have a really good source for injectable AAS.

I do have friends that are on injectibles and can get them but I havent gone to the trouble to look into it. Also, I have heard prices of like $100 for a 10ml (I believe) bottle of test. If I knew of an online source that was reliable and had good prices, Id probably go that route.


The legality doesnt scare me too much. I mean once you have the AAS, there is literally no risk. A cop is not going to bust down your door while your injecting and take you to jail. I have only heard of people selling AAS actually getting caught around here at least.
 
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UnicronSpawn said:
I take that stuff every once in a while, but it's wicked expensive to use more than a couple weeks. At least from Walgreens and CVS.
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Re: Sam-e,
Rather than take nothing, you may compromise and take Betaine/Tri-Methyl Glycine (TMG) as an alternative to SAM-e. Of course, it's not the same thing, but a very useful supplement that is affordable and offers nice protective benefits.
 
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UnicronSpawn said:
I take that stuff every once in a while, but it's wicked expensive to use more than a couple weeks. At least from Walgreens and CVS.
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Have you looked at the different versions NOW carries? They have some at reasonable prices.
 
No and No. But I'll look into the TMG and the NOW foods brand SamE. Right now Im just taking Liv-52 and milk thistle.
 
i havent tried most of them, just sd, max lmg, just bought phera plex, and trenadrol debating on which one to take. sd made me feel very ill and mentally off. great results from max lmg , 11lbs. in 5 weeks, nipples a little sensitive, no other sides. any input on the pp vs. trenadrol, trenadrol just came out from kilo sports, supposed to be pretty potent
 
Superdrol is the only one of these compounds i have used...it worked extremely well for me as a female, at a low dosage...very minimal sides...with no change at all in my lipids, liver enzymes, or blood pressure. :)
 
mab904 said:
Superdrol is the only one of these compounds i have used...it worked extremely well for me as a female, at a low dosage...very minimal sides...with no change at all in my lipids, liver enzymes, or blood pressure. :)
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Well something obviously worked. Assuming thats you in your avatar. :thumbsup:
 
Hey Mab,

Just wondering, when you say that you ran Superdrol at very low dosage, can you be more specific? (i.e. length of cycle, dosage per day)..thanks.
 
Ninjo said:
Hey Mab,

Just wondering, when you say that you ran Superdrol at very low dosage, can you be more specific? (i.e. length of cycle, dosage per day)..thanks.
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sure :)

first cycle:
week 1 - 2.5mg a day
weeks 2-3, 2.5mg 2x a day
week 4 - 2.5 mg a day

last cycle(gave me the best results):
week 1 - 2.5mg 2x a day
weeks 2-4 - 5mg 2x a day
week 5 - 2.5mg 2x a day

some cramping at the 10mg a day dose...3gm taurine daily eliminated the cramping.
only post cycle therapy used was milk thistle and nac

hope this helps...any other questions...feel free to ask.
 
So I guess you had SD powder to get that sort of incrimental dose??
(The caps were normally 10 mgs - unless you had tabs that you could break into fourths...)


I saw your PCT and was gonna go hay-wire, but it ocurred to me...
Yeah - I guess you don't need to take an anti-estrogen for PCT now do you??
 
jmh80 said:
So I guess you had superdrol powder to get that sort of incrimental dose??
(The caps were normally 10 mgs - unless you had tabs that you could break into fourths...)


I saw your post cycle therapy and was gonna go hay-wire, but it ocurred to me...
Yeah - I guess you don't need to take an anti-estrogen for PCT now do you??
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yes...i had the sd capsules which i opened and split the powder...then re-capped with a capper.

females typically don't need pct...just tappering down

i used the milk thistle and nac for liver support.
 
i do want to add that if a female is considering using this...start off slow...with the lowest dosage. everyone's body is different and a female's endocrine system is especially sensitve to hormonal changes.

also...this is not a cutting supplement. females should not think that taking this will help them to 'lean' out. it will not...it puts on weight. i used it to help me gain some lean mass after training hard for 5 years.
your diet and training really needs to be dead on before even considering using this type product..or i feel it will be of no benefit whatsoever. it is not a magic pill.

:)
 
I wonder what a low dosage of 2.5 X 2 a day on a male would be like if the male "pulsed" the dosage over a period of 2 months. (This was in earlier threads and Dr. D commented on it I believe) I was rather skeptical because I thought it might keep hormonal levels in a constant limbo...
But if it can give strength and slight mass at a low dose w/o cramping that would be nice.
 
What do you guys think of 1fast400? Are the products of quality? I'm looking at buying their Superdrol and i'm not sure if it's legit or not essepcially since a lot of people were saying in this post that the SD knockoffs are not as good.
 
Ergomax LMG 50 10.73%
FinigenX 11 2.36%
Halodrol-50 114 24.46%
MAX LMG 13 2.79%
Methoxy-TRN 35 7.51%
Pheraplex 151 32.40%
Prostanozol/Orastan 25 5.36%
Superdrol & knockoffs 266 57.08%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 466. You have already voted on this poll

Looks like the sd and knockoff did pretty good, the only one i know to be crappy is legal gears masterdrol. Then again i think almost all legal gear stuff sucks.
 
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