Please help with cutting cycle

[cuse140]

I''ve got a couple of bulking cycles under my belt. Used sust and d-bol, and have even used s-drol a couple of times. I'm planning on doing a cutting cycle soon, and would like some suggestions.
I'm 28 years old. 5'8 210 lbs. I'm estimating my bodyfat at roughly 18%
My goal is not only to lose fat, but to hold onto as much muscle as i can while doing it. I plan on doing a.m. cardio, and eating around 2500 cals a day.
What compounds do you recomend for sparing muscle while eating at a deficit, and doing daily cardio? Not interested in clen or eca.
Also, is it possible to still gain muscle using aas while restricting calories, and doing lots of cardio?

 

[DR.D]

... Also, is it possible to still gain muscle using anabolic steroids while restricting calories, and doing lots of cardio?

Try MFX and some TTA stacked with an AI or non-aromatizable androgen. A little thyroid doesn't hurt but protein must be strict. You can make gains, but your better just trying to hold gains with an anti-cort like Retain or DHEA if not using an androgen.

 

[superman20]

beings that you have only used sust and dbol, winny could probably hold muscle for you well. any test would be fine as long as your not getting ready for a show? basically any steroid will help you in your situation, no steroid will really help burn much fat.masteron, tren, etc cant be noticed as a cutting steroid unless bf is very low(competition low). so i would say use some kind of test as it would probly be cheapest and help preserve muscle.

 

[Ubiquitous]

beings that you have only used sust and dbol, winny could probably hold muscle for you well. any test would be fine as long as your not getting ready for a show? basically any steroid will help you in your situation, no steroid will really help burn much fat.masteron, tren, etc cant be noticed as a cutting steroid unless bf is very low(competition low). so i would say use some kind of test as it would probly be cheapest and help preserve muscle.

completely disagree with you regards to Tren.

It has absolutely dramatic recomp effects... even if not at "competition low bf%" as you state... ask anyone who uses it, and has used it at even higher bf% than the accepted aesthetic norm.

Masteron is much more cosmetic at low bf %, but even at 10% you will notice it... and being an androgen, it has other qualities it brings to the table.... SHBG affinity, slight anti-E benefits... even strength gains... it is a complimentary steroid IMHO.

"Cutting steroid" is a misnomer.... any steroid can be used on a cut... it's a matter of diet... some are just more well suited for it.

Saying that, I agree with that old man Dr. D..

one more point... I can be in caloric deficit and see some subtle, albeit quality gains with Methenelone Enanthate, for what it's worth.

Diet, and logic plays a big part in cutting.. you don't want to cut too fast if maintaining muscle is part of your priority list.

Gear is just an accessory to this, not the means.

 

[cuse140]

Good advice here guys. Although i havent ruled out tren, some of the sides scare me. Especially the tren cough!
If I were to use test strictly for maintaining muscle, what dose would you recomend, and for what length?
If I use tren, is running a test product with it nscesarry?

 

[Ubiquitous]

the cough isn't nearly as bad or as frequent as you are lead to believe.

For Test standalone, the lowest "effective" dose you have used in the past.. as you yourself as an individual should know this if you've ran cycles in the past.. unless it was just the Sustanon one.

For Tren, I feel running Testosterone along with it remedies the negative effects on libido and erectile dysfunction... it is only necessary if you consider your sex life a priority... **although a few have ran Tren standalone with no reported sexual sides** The other sides you should be conscious of with Tren are increased aggressiveness, moodiness, Progestin sides, and insomnia with night sweats. I have experienced all of these. Some have pointed out that it could/does affect seratonin levels.. which could explain a lot as that is quite an inportant neurotransmitter that governs sleep cycles, Circadian cycle as a whole, eating, sexual behavior, and moods.. many things.

It's NOT for a novice, and definitely not for the ill-prepared.

 

[HairyLarry35]

the cough isn't nearly as bad or as frequent as you are lead to believe.

For Test standalone, the lowest "effective" dose you have used in the past.. as you yourself as an individual should know this if you've ran cycles in the past.. unless it was just the Sustanon one.

For Tren, I feel running Testosterone along with it remedies the negative effects on libido and erectile dysfunction... it is only necessary if you consider your sex life a priority... **although a few have ran Tren standalone with no reported sexual sides** The other sides you should be conscious of with Tren are increased aggressiveness, moodiness, Progestin sides, and insomnia with night sweats. I have experienced all of these. Some have pointed out that it could/does affect seratonin levels.. which could explain a lot as that is quite an inportant neurotransmitter that governs sleep cycles, Circadian cycle as a whole, eating, sexual behavior, and moods.. many things.

It's NOT for a novice, and definitely not for the ill-prepared.

I can attest to sharing with all of these sides minus any major progestin issues. And as for the seratonin levels, my dreams were very vivid and very disturbing. But the end justifies the means with tren.

Be smart, continue to research past logs/threads, understand the risks you are taking, and listen to all of the quality advice you get from Ubi and the Doc. But if he tries to give you a hug.... :run:

God help you.

HL

 

[DR.D]

completely disagree with you regards to Tren.

It has absolutely dramatic recomp effects... one more point... I can be in caloric deficit and see some subtle, albeit quality gains with Methenelone Enanthate, for what it's worth.

Any progestin like tren (even nandrolone) will encourage weight loss by thermogenic mechanism, but protein must be held high to still gain muscle on a cutting diet with these. Another generalization is that any non-aromatizable oral will promote fat loss as well. So will test if used with an AI. There is no doubt about. I agree with this youngster they call Ubi!

Primo is one of the few that allows growth even in calorie deficient. I have shared that same observation. Anadrol is another, but the ultimate residual gain is zero with that one either way.