Pink magic $69.... WTF!!!
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ax1
Legend
thats done already, i assume you've visited my country. i hope you had a good time here and come back soon.
capnsavem
Well-known member
lol... i would consider that "magic"... or even pink for that matter :sgrin:
Liftingstud
Well-known member
WOW this has turned into something I didnt intend. I didnt want to bash USPLabs because they do have a great product line and seems like they do extensive research with their products. Which I far less than I can say for other companies or copy cat companies. The whole test comparison was just that. Yes some people will use AAS and some will not, and these are the ones that look for the best advantage.
I have read many logs for PM... I find they generally start the same way... "I CANT WAIT TO LOG THIS AWESOME SUPPLEMENT or THANKS TO USPLABS FOR GIVING ME THE CHANCE TO LOG GREAT PRODUCT." Already they have a mental bias built into it. Maybe they take PM and because they think they should feel this great effect they lift harder and push themselves more... But who knows, it could be an amazing product.
I was just shocked by the price, esp from USPLabs. Nothing in their lineup is close to this price at all, look through the products... NOTHING IS. Could it be the cost of the raws? Possibly. Could it be them trying to profit off their growing name? Possibly. My whole point was the rest of USPs lineup is mod priced and quaility. I mean Prime was touted to be the amazing muscle and strength builder and it wasnt $69.99 a bottle... maybe at GNC or Vit Shop.
I have read many logs for PM... I find they generally start the same way... "I CANT WAIT TO LOG THIS AWESOME SUPPLEMENT or THANKS TO USPLABS FOR GIVING ME THE CHANCE TO LOG GREAT PRODUCT." Already they have a mental bias built into it. Maybe they take PM and because they think they should feel this great effect they lift harder and push themselves more... But who knows, it could be an amazing product.
I was just shocked by the price, esp from USPLabs. Nothing in their lineup is close to this price at all, look through the products... NOTHING IS. Could it be the cost of the raws? Possibly. Could it be them trying to profit off their growing name? Possibly. My whole point was the rest of USPs lineup is mod priced and quaility. I mean Prime was touted to be the amazing muscle and strength builder and it wasnt $69.99 a bottle... maybe at GNC or Vit Shop.
Guest
Guest
We have a formula for pricing that allows us to succeed in the market place. If the cost of raw materials where cheaper, the product would cost less but this is not the case with PM.
Innovation is pricey at first. I wish that I could sell at 39.99 but I would lose my a$$.
Once the feedback comes in from the spending customer, I'm confident price will be the secondary issue to results.
In the meantime everyone has other supplement options and if Pinl Magic is to pricey, they can easily move onto that option.
We don't have a gun to the consumers head. USPlabs has a crowd of loyal followers that enjoy our line. I'm confident that Pink Magic will only build that crowd larger.
ax1
Legend
it was a great victory for our people,
and the chinese i hired to dress up as north korean's and wave our great flag in the stands did a superb job, dont you think?
lonewolf0420
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hardknock
Well-known member
So, when you are done you plan on giving your review of the product?
hardknock
Well-known member
Yeah but that cycle may last you a life time, or how ever many more years you can live with tubes running out of your body ... I take it we are talking about the same pink magic here? The kind with legs?
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Yea, if you check my current log I recently finished HGHpro, and gave a pretty detailed review.
hardknock
Well-known member
Not sure if you noticed PRIME after the initial IC release.
DId you notice AP or PF when they hit the market? The ratio was just as high in terms of the time when it was released, the market then, and the price. And, prime, I believe was just as expensive all the way around...even more so because it was a different product, it's path through the body varied compared to PM so the amount needed was more, therefore, costing more.
Liftingstud
Well-known member
what are u talking about sooo lost with ratio talk?
Let's take a price check on NP:
prime $46.99 (that's an updated size bc they added more)
AP $39.99
PF $37.99
recreate $39.95
oep $34.99
PINK MAGIC $69.99!!!!!!!
Seems wayyyyyy out of line with the rest of the lineup.
And if you workout 5x a wk and follow dosing as directed u are short 4 pills.... Need 184 (if math is correct)
hardknock
Well-known member
Did you see the prices of each of those products, prime, ap or pf when they FIRST HIT THE MARKET. The prices now are down, you are correct but in comparison to those other products it is about the same. Prime was "expensive" when it hit the market.
Ratio was only in relation to "relative" speaking.
Say you buy a loaf of bread in 2005, it may have cost 1.99 and now it cost 3.75. Some may say it is expensive but relatively It is the same as 2005 prices.
Liftingstud
Well-known member
Your bread analogy is off...
Because comparing it to usps products... The loaf of bread should be cheaper cause it has been around longer ie been on the market longer
bur if u are buying some crazy new special bread compared to the last one it might be more expensive.
I am truely not bashing USP or their products. Heck I turned sooo many people on to jacked I should get some compensation, lol. It's just I see a growing trend of supplements getting more and more expensive. Yes u can say, "then just don't use them" and that is true. But it's a forum for discussion so I brought it up.
Prob just have to breakdown and try it at some point to actually see for myself.
Would be nice to see a thread of ALL your loggers with just their before and after pics and beginning stats and ending stats. Can u guess do this?
Because comparing it to usps products... The loaf of bread should be cheaper cause it has been around longer ie been on the market longer
bur if u are buying some crazy new special bread compared to the last one it might be more expensive.I am truely not bashing USP or their products. Heck I turned sooo many people on to jacked I should get some compensation, lol. It's just I see a growing trend of supplements getting more and more expensive. Yes u can say, "then just don't use them" and that is true. But it's a forum for discussion so I brought it up.
Prob just have to breakdown and try it at some point to actually see for myself.
Would be nice to see a thread of ALL your loggers with just their before and after pics and beginning stats and ending stats. Can u guess do this?
ax1
Legend
hey, shyts expensive,
they do have a right to do whatever they want to do, its a capitalist society.
if its to expensive we buy something else and if the product doesnt sell well they will either pull it or drop the price. its all up to the consumer to pay or not, nobody is forcing anyone to buy pink magic.
its capatalism at its finest, if you dont like you your all welcome to move into my country, as long as you provide me with some internal documents.
personally, i think the price tag is related to generating hype, and watching all these threads i believe its getting alot of attention. they know what they are doing. they sold it very cheap on the IC inner release, i dont think they lost $30-$40 on every bottle they sold.
just my opinion, but i do feel usp can do whatever they want, at the same time people can express their dissatisfaction freely should they chose to do so, and as long as your not on my land.
they do have a right to do whatever they want to do, its a capitalist society.
if its to expensive we buy something else and if the product doesnt sell well they will either pull it or drop the price. its all up to the consumer to pay or not, nobody is forcing anyone to buy pink magic.
its capatalism at its finest, if you dont like you your all welcome to move into my country, as long as you provide me with some internal documents.
personally, i think the price tag is related to generating hype, and watching all these threads i believe its getting alot of attention. they know what they are doing. they sold it very cheap on the IC inner release, i dont think they lost $30-$40 on every bottle they sold.
just my opinion, but i do feel usp can do whatever they want, at the same time people can express their dissatisfaction freely should they chose to do so, and as long as your not on my land.
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
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He gets his pink magic for free.
He gets his pink magic for free.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Whether this explanation is believed or not, I am going to give it - if only to hopefully provide some context.
Pink Magic's ingredients are not readily available by any stretch of the imagination, and as with all herbal products, there is no "Herbal Extraction for Idiots" making its round amongst dietary supplement producers - as a result, not only securing a viable supply of a novel ingredient but subsequently developing methods of extraction can be expensive. This is standard overhead cost, but in USPlabs' case, these can initially be quite expensive.
While we are often criticized by using terms such as "unique extraction," or "engineered extraction," the reality is that they are both adequate and accurate descriptions of our products. We both harvest and extract our own plant compounds, and in the initial stages of production, this can be expensive - and given the ubiquity of this phenomenon, I am surprised so many people are up in arms about initially "high prices." The more a product is extracted and produced, the more supply is procured, the higher the production volume and lower cost per unit: more simply, capitalism in its most basic form.
The "high" price of Pink Magic is in direct proportion to its cost of production, and is not related to USP "hitting it big time," or any such nonsense. If we were drunk off our own greed, why would we not only release the product to the paying niche market weeks ahead of time, but reduce the estimated retail price by an exorbitant amount, and also include two other products for free should you have chosen that option? It is a nonsensical argument.
Again, whether or not you choose to accept this explanation is none of my concern, but, it is the truth.
Pink Magic's ingredients are not readily available by any stretch of the imagination, and as with all herbal products, there is no "Herbal Extraction for Idiots" making its round amongst dietary supplement producers - as a result, not only securing a viable supply of a novel ingredient but subsequently developing methods of extraction can be expensive. This is standard overhead cost, but in USPlabs' case, these can initially be quite expensive.
While we are often criticized by using terms such as "unique extraction," or "engineered extraction," the reality is that they are both adequate and accurate descriptions of our products. We both harvest and extract our own plant compounds, and in the initial stages of production, this can be expensive - and given the ubiquity of this phenomenon, I am surprised so many people are up in arms about initially "high prices." The more a product is extracted and produced, the more supply is procured, the higher the production volume and lower cost per unit: more simply, capitalism in its most basic form.
The "high" price of Pink Magic is in direct proportion to its cost of production, and is not related to USP "hitting it big time," or any such nonsense. If we were drunk off our own greed, why would we not only release the product to the paying niche market weeks ahead of time, but reduce the estimated retail price by an exorbitant amount, and also include two other products for free should you have chosen that option? It is a nonsensical argument.
Again, whether or not you choose to accept this explanation is none of my concern, but, it is the truth.
Liftingstud
Well-known member
I totally understand and stated earlier that the raws must be fairly expensive thus increasing the cost. I really to think usp is a great company with high quality products. Love the idea behind the inner circle and giving back to ur customes.
I have had success with many of ur products. Just like the title states I was like WTF when i saw the price on NP. Guess I was thinking more along the lines of the other products u guys have and maybe in in time the price will drop.
Can we expect any bulk powder of PM? Or just the one ingredient like the beta verson? Helping to lower cost. Much like ur other bulk powder products.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
I would not suspect Pink Magic's ingredients would ever be offered in bulk, no: the amount of work we are putting in now, and will put in to come, precludes that possibility.
oufinny
Well-known member
Being a huge supporter of the Pink Magic, I thank all of your hard work. As I said in my review (without knowing anything about ingredients or MOA at the time), it truly is the best supplement I have ever taken.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Thanks, bud! Definitely appreciate your kind words!
Guest
Guest
And so many MOAs there are!
I agree about it being the best natural supplement on the market.
And I understand peoples' skepticism with Pink Magic as the feedback was off the charts and a huge reason why I needed some many loggers...to validate what the smaller group was screaming.
Zero V
Well-known member
To someone saying your better off buying test for that 69.99, your leaving out PCT, and such things as letro in case of gyno, risks of gyno/long term shutdown/infection/bunk gear/etc....
Pink Magic is interesting...But I will wait for all the "hype" to die and see if it is still a tall monument after the storm settles. I love USP though, so I have faith in em lol
Pink Magic is interesting...But I will wait for all the "hype" to die and see if it is still a tall monument after the storm settles. I love USP though, so I have faith in em lol
ax1
Legend
how do we know there is nothing in pink magic that can have side effects down the road such as cancer?
everything is a risk
ax1
Legend
thats the point.........i just think ph use has a bad image, but if done properly it can be safer than beef.
anyways, i hope the best for usp labs, they make decent stuff. that was not an attack on them just a point for those who think natty=100% safe free.
hardknock
Well-known member
Bread analogy wasn't off, it shows things can go either way no matter how or what. You asked what I was talking about, and that is what I was talking about..Your bread analogy is off...
Because comparing it to usps products... The loaf of bread should be cheaper cause it has been around longer ie been on the market longer
I am truely not bashing USP or their products. Heck I turned sooo many people on to jacked I should get some compensation, lol. It's just I see a growing trend of supplements getting more and more expensive. Yes u can say, "then just don't use them" and that is true. But it's a forum for discussion so I brought it up.
Prob just have to breakdown and try it at some point to actually see for myself.
Would be nice to see a thread of ALL your loggers with just their before and after pics and beginning stats and ending stats. Can u guess do this?
Still, the main focus of the original sentence, DID YOU SEE THE PRICE OF PRIME, AP, and PF when they first hit the market?
The reason why I said that was because you wrote "WTF" as if it was a surprise? If you had seen those other products or remembered them then there should not have been a surprise, though, I may have read your title wrong and you may not have been surprised but just obscured a bit.
I'm still trying to figure out how you see it as expensive?
hardknock
Well-known member
I am not here for an e-argument, liftingstud, but I cannot find the reasoning behind why you feel it was surprisingly expensive...
I mean, I can say it is costly but it didn't surprise me due to knowing products that are initially released are usually expensive due to high demand and the ability to secure the ingredients or lack there of.
I mean, I can say it is costly but it didn't surprise me due to knowing products that are initially released are usually expensive due to high demand and the ability to secure the ingredients or lack there of.
hoopem6
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seunim
Member
I do have to agree with the superb flag waving. I suspect that was practiced over many months at the people's stadium in Pyongyang.
I was particularly impressed with the massive amount of tears shed by your striker during the North Korean national anthem, which I believe was composed by the late great Kim Il-Sung, your father and the Dear Leader.
I'm sure he was thinking of you and your benevolent leadership of your great land during his outpouring of emotion. Either that or he was in fear for his life if he didn't score. Either way, it was a highlight of the world cup so far.
strategicmove
Legend
The opening remarks in a log, especially a sponsored one, do not necessarily suggest an a priori bias. Thanking a company for the opportunity to log a product should not be a reason to discount the underlying honesty of the logger. Besides, your comments suggest you may not have properly grasped the driving rationale for the Pink Magic beta tests. In particular, and as I stated in the opening comments of my Pink Magic log (
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"The key idea of this beta-testing is to supply USPLabs with objective feedback to help it decide whether or not to introduce Pink Magic in its current form. Consequently, I would be doing the company a serious disservice, if I deliberately provided it with feedback that differs from my true experience with the beta product. This may lead it to making the wrong choices, and that is certainly contraproductive. So, my feedback will be objective. As usual! Right now, I do not know what to expect from the product, so there is no a priori bias or subjectivity." In effect, the beta-test logs were all about objective feedback, not sugar-coated responses. If the beta-test reviews had not been overwhelmingly positive, Pink Magic would not have been released. So, the beta-test logs were no ordinary "sponsored logs", in the standard sense.
No company has a product portfolio with an identical price. Prices and price ranges within the same company's product line are driven by specific factors that include ease of obtaining the underlying raws. Recall that our products are based on herbs, not synthetic compounds. As a consequence, the availability of those herbs is not independent of supply conditions (harvest yield, vagaries of the weather, storage and logistic challenges), extraction processes, and so on. These are different for different products, and impact pricing decisions, as you know. If we gain true economies of scale in Pink Magic sourcing and production, it would certainly be reflected in the price accordingly.
Something else. The speculation that Pink Magic's price might be an attempt by USPLabs to capitalize on its growing influence in the supplement industry at the expense of consumer does not hold water at all. Quite the contrary! How many fast-growing companies would increase the per-capsule amount of their product's active ingredients without increasing price? Think PRIME! How many fast-growing companies would increase the capsule amount per container of one of their best-selling products without a price increase? Think SuperCissus Rx! How many fast-growing companies would upgrade their best-selling pre-workout product without a price increase? Think Jack3d! Or even provide consumers with bulk versions of their potent actives? Think USPowders! So, it should be clear to any objective individual that USPLabs is by far one of the most customer-focused supplement companies around. We think long-term innovation and customer reward, and do not seek to maximize short-term profitability.
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Very well said.