PH's for a cutting?
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bigbadboss101
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Ok, when you are on 1-test one is supposed to eat more. Would one be able to get cut when they are taking in way more than they expend (calories)? Also, 1-test increase appetite, ECA may do the opposite?!
I know people have said they got cut even when they ate like a horse.
I know people have said they got cut even when they ate like a horse.
Aneas
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Thanks for replies. I am using super one+ right now to bulk. I dont think 4-ad is good for cutting it seems like I am storing some extra fat and water right now.
You can cut while eating alot as long as you limit your carbs.
I was think one test and eca to cut with.
What is 5-AA?
You can cut while eating alot as long as you limit your carbs.
I was think one test and eca to cut with.
What is 5-AA?
Lifeguard
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Aneas said:
5-AA is 5-Alpha Androstenediol
It is a direct precursor to DHT (Dihydrotestosterone) and DHT is HIGHLY androgenic and cannot convert into estrogen. The Pre-Contest Steroids Masteron and Winstrol are derrivitavies of DHT.
5-AA is also a very effective anti-estrogen and when I took it I noticed that I was retaining much less water and my strength went up. It helped me acheive a hard/dry physique for the early summer (in other words it got me shredded and got me many phone numbers)
5-AA comes in 2 versions the 3 beta reductase version and the 3 alpha reductase version...
Differences you ask?... the 3-beta version converts into DHT at around 9%...and the 3-alpha version converts at around 43%!!!.
The 3-Alpha reductase enzyme version is sold by Molecular Nutriton under the name 3-Alpha...
...Molecular Nutrition is the only company I know that markets the 3-Alpha reductase version.
Any more Questions?
Lifeguard
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dg806 said:
For my cutting stack in the future I plan to do 1-Test, 1,4-andro, 5-AA (3-Alpha version), and ECA
Reasons for the compounds:
1-Test: need I say more
1,4-Andro: target hormone; Boldenone; Increases red-blood cell production, vascularity, burns fat
5-AA (3-alpha version):Target Hormone; DHT; Anti-Estrogen cuz it occupies the Estrogen Receptor, strenght increase, preservation of Lean Mass, Highly androgenic, literally hardens muscles (Believe me I know).
ECA: uuuhhh...duh?
Lifeguard
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For a good-ass cutting cycle:
for 4 weeks:
3-Alpha: 300mg/day
1,4-Andro: 500-700mg/day
1-Test (transdermally of course): 70-100mg/day ABSORBED
ECA (20mg ephedrine, 200 caffeine, 300mg Asprin): 1 serving 3-4x/day
hit that ish 4 on/4 off/4 on for your 12-week precontest diet
for 4 weeks:
3-Alpha: 300mg/day
1,4-Andro: 500-700mg/day
1-Test (transdermally of course): 70-100mg/day ABSORBED
ECA (20mg ephedrine, 200 caffeine, 300mg Asprin): 1 serving 3-4x/day
hit that ish 4 on/4 off/4 on for your 12-week precontest diet
Gmonkey
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If you were using that stack to cut what diet would you go with?
Keto or a conventional diet? How many calories per pound body weight? I may do this In Jan. could I use the t1-pro or would you recommend the T1?
Would you even bother with SU while on this?
Would you use 7-keto and how much cardio would you do?
Type of training
for my mass phase I am doing
6-10 reps, not taken to failure.
Mon: Chest-4 sets/Quads-4sets/shoulders-2sets/triceps-4sets/calves-4 sets
Tue: Hamstrings-4 sets/Back-4sets/Biceps-4sets/Abs 4 sets
reverse pec deck 3 sets, forearms 3 sets
Wed:Repeat Monday
Thur:Off
Fri:Repeat Tuesday
Sat:Repeat Monday
Sun:Repeat Tuesday
Mon: off
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Keto or a conventional diet? How many calories per pound body weight? I may do this In Jan. could I use the t1-pro or would you recommend the T1?
Would you even bother with SU while on this?
Would you use 7-keto and how much cardio would you do?
Type of training
for my mass phase I am doing
6-10 reps, not taken to failure.
Mon: Chest-4 sets/Quads-4sets/shoulders-2sets/triceps-4sets/calves-4 sets
Tue: Hamstrings-4 sets/Back-4sets/Biceps-4sets/Abs 4 sets
reverse pec deck 3 sets, forearms 3 sets
Wed:Repeat Monday
Thur:Off
Fri:Repeat Tuesday
Sat:Repeat Monday
Sun:Repeat Tuesday
Mon: off
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TMack40
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Sounds like an awesome stack. My only concern would be post-cycle recovery. The combination of pro-steroids/hormones, a sub-maintenece caloric intake, and a higher dosing of ECA stack will be quite devastating on your natty test production. What you planning on using/ have used in the past?
Lifeguard
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Gmonkey said:
Well, Lets ge started, I personally would go with a modified Keto Diet:
50/20/30 Protein/carbs/fat... and, say, for cals go for this:
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Go for T-1 or do a brew yourself with just 10g 1-Test in 240ml bottle.
As far as SU goes...ummm... use a low dose IF you use it (no more than 500mg/day)...but whith this diet/PH stack I dont recommend it. Just use ECA 3-4x/day
Cardio: I hate fucking cardio!
...but you gotta do what ya gotta do... just burn off between 150-200 calories (as the machine says) 3-4x week.I've never heard if 7-Keto being used for cutting...no answer, sorry
Training:
Well, theres so many ways to choose from
For me it's gonna be this:
Quick, hard, heavy and painful...haha
Day 1:
Do 2-3 warmup sets of 15-20 reps before hitting the working sets
Everything is 1 set to failiure with 5-7 second negetives and 3 second positive.
Peck Deck - 6-10 reps
with no rest go do...
...Incline Press - 2-4 reps
Close grip (palm facing towards you) pulldowns - 6-10 reps
Deadlilfts - 5-8 reps
HIT IT!!!!!!
:saw:
PS Post Cycle Recovery
CLOMID (if you can get your hands on it)
if not...
Fuzu 6-8 caps/day starting the last 2 weeks of your 2nd 4 week "on cycle" and extending to the next 3-4 weeks Post Cycle combined with 6-OXO at th same time.
But all this is JMO
Lifeguard
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The other training days are as follows:
Day 2:
EXERCISE
Leg Extension - 8-15 Reps
With no rest do Leg Press - 8-15 Reps
Calf Raise - 12-20 Reps
Day 3:
EXERCISE
Dumbell Laterals - 6-10 Reps
Rear Laterals - 6-10 Reps
Barbell Curls - 6-10 Reps
Tricep Pressdowns - 6-10 Reps
With no rest do Dips - 3-5 Reps
Day 4:
EXERCISE
Leg Extentions - 8-15 Reps
With no rest do Squat - 8-15 Reps
Calf Raise - 12-20 Reps
TIPS: Go as heavy as possible on each exercise!!! this is crucial for maintaining/gaining strength
Day 2:
EXERCISE
Leg Extension - 8-15 Reps
With no rest do Leg Press - 8-15 Reps
Calf Raise - 12-20 Reps
Day 3:
EXERCISE
Dumbell Laterals - 6-10 Reps
Rear Laterals - 6-10 Reps
Barbell Curls - 6-10 Reps
Tricep Pressdowns - 6-10 Reps
With no rest do Dips - 3-5 Reps
Day 4:
EXERCISE
Leg Extentions - 8-15 Reps
With no rest do Squat - 8-15 Reps
Calf Raise - 12-20 Reps
TIPS: Go as heavy as possible on each exercise!!! this is crucial for maintaining/gaining strength
Lifeguard
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Gmonkey said:
Now That I know the good of 7-keto DHEA for cutting, I still wouldn't use it in this stack because:
1-Test burns fat
1,4-androstadienedione burns fat
5-Alpha androstanediol burns fat
ECA burns A LOT of fat
Cardio burns fat
reduced calorie diet burns fat
Hard lifting burns a shitload of fat...
See a pattern emerging here, I chose these compounds and methods cuz all burn fat in different ways, makin the user of this regimine shredded like a MOFO!!!!
Lifeguard
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I never buy my cycles at one time, I buy them in sections, in the months leading up to the cycle...
for instance for my cycle I am going to start in november I started planning at the beginning of september, and I baught my chems and 1-Test about 3 weeks ago, and I just baught my Boldione yesterday alomg w/my 4-ad about 4 days prior to that and I bought my Fuzu about 5 weeks ago. all that combimed cost me $320-$350 and I spread out the spending as far as I possibly could.
and Dont forget...lifeguarding is not free I do get paid ya know.
And I think that the cutting cycle (planned for July/august '03) will cost me about the same cuz i wont have to drop $75 on chems this time around.
for instance for my cycle I am going to start in november I started planning at the beginning of september, and I baught my chems and 1-Test about 3 weeks ago, and I just baught my Boldione yesterday alomg w/my 4-ad about 4 days prior to that and I bought my Fuzu about 5 weeks ago. all that combimed cost me $320-$350 and I spread out the spending as far as I possibly could.
and Dont forget...lifeguarding is not free
I do get paid ya know.And I think that the cutting cycle (planned for July/august '03) will cost me about the same cuz i wont have to drop $75 on chems this time around.
Lifeguard
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Big Daddy Chemo said:One thing to keep in mind:
If using 1,4 while cutting the effect will be an INCREASED APPETITE. Not a desired effect when cutting
Chemo
I took this fact into account and I think that the ECA with counteract it some, and the rest is up to the willpower of the individual.
bigbadboss101
Member
Big Daddy Chemo said:One thing to keep in mind:
If using 1,4 while cutting the effect will be an INCREASED APPETITE. Not a desired effect when cutting
Chemo
Chemo, I thought all ph, and 1-test will increase appetite?
4AD will cause water retention, while 1AD/1test will give lean gains. Don't know much about the 5AA or 1,4. So for cutting wouldn't 1test/1ad be best?
I went 8 weeks using SO+ and homebrew (4g 1test, 6g 4AD). For the next one I think I will use up my 2 bottles of 1AD, and add some 4AD homebrew. Closer to spring I will cut by may be using straight 1test. Sound good?
Aneas
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Sean said:Sounds like a good stack, LG, but how much does it cost? And where the hell do you get all the money for that at age 18? I mean, if I even suggested buying all that in one go, my wife would kick my ass.
I would drop 1K at a time for my gear cycles. If you handle the money in the house how would your wife every know? If you dont handle it start.
Aneas
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Lifeguard said:I'm a young one I'm only 18, but I know about the hairloss thing because every male on my moms side of the family still has a fill head of hair!
And we all know that the hairloss gene comes from our moms.
18 now I feel old.
That mother side of the family is total crap. My brother in law is almost bald and he is only 26 years old. His moms side is solid on the hair front. But his dad was bald before he was 30.
Super Tri's
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Lifeguard,
those cycles sound great, but are very expensive.
What bf% are you before and after cutting?
those cycles sound great, but are very expensive.
What bf% are you before and after cutting?
Lifeguard
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Super Tri's said:
Well, most recently, as in Mid September I was at about 152 @ 4.8% bf, no water retention from the ECA and I was already drinking a ton of water per day anyway...I had some major shredz goin', that was badass.
before my cutting I was about 147 @ about 10-11%
People thought I weighed about 165-170 the whole time and whwnI told them my actual weight, they refuced to beleive me until I stepped onto a scale to prove it.
And curt,
1% is next summer...hehe
P.S. When I was cutting,I wasn't even trying it just kinda happened, I was taking in a slightly reduced calorie diet, cheating all the time, and taking ECA....I dont know
Super Tri's
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That is a crazy bf%, especially saying you cheated.
I had to f'n do 6-8 session of cardio, 50g of carbs a day and 6 litres of water a day to go down to 10%.
Consider yourself pretty lucky.
Thats why this year i'm going to keep my bf% around 12% year round, so I can try and cut to about 7-8% with 12 weeks of work.
One of the trainers at my gym (who's my friend and I train with occasionally), is the most shredded person I have ever seen! He is probably about 3% year round, he is so f'n lean it's unreal, no fat anywhere, barely even skin.
But he's a freak of nature, he eats about 1000 carbs a day ontop of that.
I think it's all the drugs that keep him lean (other that anabolics)
I had to f'n do 6-8 session of cardio, 50g of carbs a day and 6 litres of water a day to go down to 10%.
Consider yourself pretty lucky.
Thats why this year i'm going to keep my bf% around 12% year round, so I can try and cut to about 7-8% with 12 weeks of work.
One of the trainers at my gym (who's my friend and I train with occasionally), is the most shredded person I have ever seen! He is probably about 3% year round, he is so f'n lean it's unreal, no fat anywhere, barely even skin.
But he's a freak of nature, he eats about 1000 carbs a day ontop of that.
I think it's all the drugs that keep him lean (other that anabolics)
Lifeguard
Active member
I had to f'n do 6-8 session of cardio...
I think to add insult to injury the only cardio I did was stacking/unstacking about 100-150 lounge chairs (10-15 pounds each) per day and doing an occassional 10-20 meter sprint-swim to save some dumbass that thought they could swim(2x/day) and stand on my feet all day long, and this is the WHOLE summer.
Oh yeah, and SHIVERING, cuz on some days, it wasn't warm and the wind was blowing, and I know that burns lots of calories.
I think to add insult to injury the only cardio I did was stacking/unstacking about 100-150 lounge chairs (10-15 pounds each) per day and doing an occassional 10-20 meter sprint-swim to save some dumbass that thought they could swim(2x/day) and stand on my feet all day long, and this is the WHOLE summer.
Oh yeah, and SHIVERING, cuz on some days, it wasn't warm and the wind was blowing, and I know that burns lots of calories.
Super Tri's
New member
Lifeguard,
ya, you have it easy, but packing on the pounds of course would be your challenge because of your body type.
I used to be a lifeguard too, but my girlfriend can kick my ass at swimming.
She swam competitivly from 8-19 (were both 22 now). She was very very good, one of the best in Canada (for what's that worth) when she was younger.
The training they have to go through is nuts, she had to start weight training when she was 12.
But, her quads are stronger than mine and most people if you pick a lower weight and both go to failure.
Aneas,
great work, must have really worked your ass off.
This year i'm going to start cutting earlier so i'll be lean for when summer starts, rather than finishes
ya, you have it easy, but packing on the pounds of course would be your challenge because of your body type.
I used to be a lifeguard too, but my girlfriend can kick my ass at swimming.
She swam competitivly from 8-19 (were both 22 now). She was very very good, one of the best in Canada (for what's that worth) when she was younger.
The training they have to go through is nuts, she had to start weight training when she was 12.
But, her quads are stronger than mine and most people if you pick a lower weight and both go to failure.
Aneas,
great work, must have really worked your ass off.
This year i'm going to start cutting earlier so i'll be lean for when summer starts, rather than finishes
BrKonman
Member
Lifeguard said:
Thats fukin' COOL!! I want that to happen to me!
I hear that. When I was in HS I sat between 103 and 115 for wrestling and martial arts tournaments... until Senior year. If I was even 160 when they saw me I doubt I'd be recognized.
Thanks for the inspiration Aneas
- B