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BamBam0319 said:
Yes sir. When I was running tren ace I ran it as low as 150 per week just because I didn't need anything else, the tren was working just fine!
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You saw results on 150mg/week Tren Ace? That's incredibly low from what I've seen other guys run. One forum I frequent they recommend no less than 700mg/week, haha.
 
Hastur said:
You saw results on 150mg/week Tren Ace? That's incredibly low from what I've seen other guys run. One forum I frequent they recommend no less than 700mg/week, haha.
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No no, I was using 150mg test enanthate as a base. I started the tren ace at 210mg/week and saw some results but 350 was my sweet spot, 50mg a day. Ramped up until I was at 700mg/week for my final week on it. It was pretty awesome, I'll have to try it for longer next time. Which might just be at the tail end of this run. I was also running 50mg oral winstrol.
 
BamBam0319 said:
No no, I was using 150mg test enanthate as a base. I started the tren ace at 210mg/week and saw some results but 350 was my sweet spot, 50mg a day. Ramped up until I was at 700mg/week for my final week on it. It was pretty awesome, I'll have to try it for longer next time. Which might just be at the tail end of this run. I was also running 50mg oral winstrol.
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I've always wanted to run Test E/Tren IM, it sounds like one of the most magical combinations in the world of bodybuilding. One day, one day... I say throw it in at the tail end, why not? lol
 
Hastur said:
I've always wanted to run Test E/Tren IM, it sounds like one of the most magical combinations in the world of bodybuilding. One day, one day... I say throw it in at the tail end, why not? lol
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It was absolutely incredible. The dryness and strength were amazing. I didn't gain a single pound but the physique I ended with was completely different than the one I started with. This was towards the end of the run:
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I have been looking into the Run and Gun protocol (6 week blasts with short esters 6 weeks TRT dose) lately. Seems to have some very good results and avoids a lot of the sides becoming too bad. Keeps myostatin and cortisol levels lower and blood work a little more normal than long cycles.

If I decide to really push anabolics after this run, I will probably go that route heading to a show. Test Prop 75-100 / ED, NPP or Tren Ace 50-75mg / ED, with 50mg Dbol a day would be a fun and effective ride for 6 weeks.
 
MrKleen73 said:
I have been looking into the Run and Gun protocol (6 week blasts with short esters 6 weeks TRT dose) lately. Seems to have some very good results and avoids a lot of the sides becoming too bad. Keeps myostatin and cortisol levels lower and blood work a little more normal than long cycles.

If I decide to really push anabolics after this run, I will probably go that route heading to a show. Test Prop 75-100 / ED, NPP or Tren Ace 50-75mg / ED, with 50mg Dbol a day would be a fun and effective ride for 6 weeks.
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Oh damn, yeah that does sound fun! Would probably keep you from getting bored with any one protocol too.
 
BamBam0319 said:
Oh damn, yeah that does sound fun! Would probably keep you from getting bored with any one protocol too.
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Yeah, I am all about finding effective ways to run things with lower negative health risks.
 
Alright y'all, the rest of my cycle goodies have arrived. It appears I received an extra thing of tren ace and test e so I'm a happy camper :) I'm debating starting the dbol today and the test/EQ as well, so that hopefully the dbol will be fully kicking by the time I get back.
Then again, it may be a better idea to just begin when I get back.
 
BamBam0319 said:
Alright y'all, the rest of my cycle goodies have arrived. It appears I received an extra thing of tren ace and test e so I'm a happy camper :) I'm debating starting the dbol today and the test/EQ as well, so that hopefully the dbol will be fully kicking by the time I get back.
Then again, it may be a better idea to just begin when I get back.
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DBol kick in is immediate, all oral steroids are. Don't waste it taking it when not training hard. There is no need for build up the halflife doesn't even allow for a build up like that. As soon as it is in your system it starts doing it's thing.
 
MrKleen73 said:
DBol kick in is immediate, all oral steroids are. Don't waste it taking it when not training hard. There is no need for build up the halflife doesn't even allow for a build up like that. As soon as it is in your system it starts doing it's thing.
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True, although last time I took dbol it took 5-7 days to really start getting good.
 
BamBam0319 said:
True, although last time I took dbol it took 5-7 days to really start getting good.
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Well yeah the effects take some time to see / notice physically, but they start immediately. Most can feel the aggression, and or alpha mood come in very quickly.
 
Have you decided if your going to dose that nolva while on dbol? If so, what's the dosing look like?
 
fame126 said:
Have you decided if your going to dose that nolva while on dbol? If so, what's the dosing look like?
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Nah probably not, although I may order some just in case. I'm thinking about even holding off from the exemestane until I notice an unwanted side effect. No point in crushing estrogen unless you have to. I'll bring it down when it gets too high!
 
BamBam0319 said:
Nah probably not, although I may order some just in case. I'm thinking about even holding off from the exemestane until I notice an unwanted side effect. No point in crushing estrogen unless you have to. I'll bring it down when it gets too high!
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When rubbing my finger on the sides of the nose, -or over my forehead, and it's too oily, I grab the AI.
For me the best to evaluate it, because low -and high estro have similar sides.
How do you notice high estro?
 
hairygrandpa said:
When rubbing my finger on the sides of the nose, -or over my forehead, and it's too oily, I grab the AI.
For me the best to evaluate it, because low -and high estro have similar sides.
How do you notice high estro?
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My nips get puffy really quickly when my estrogen is high. As soon as I notice them through a shirt or take my shirt off and see them popping out from my chest, I know I need to get it under control.
Face oil too, although sometimes that's unavoidable for me when on testosterone.
 
Lol so I bought four packs of Oreos today while grocery shopping. Peanut butter, s'mores, strawberry shortcake, and birthday cake. Just tried them all.
 
BamBam0319 said:
My nips get puffy really quickly when my estrogen is high. As soon as I notice them through a shirt or take my shirt off and see them popping out from my chest, I know I need to get it under control.
Face oil too, although sometimes that's unavoidable for me when on testosterone.
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If this is the case then you need to run the nolva with the dbol, it does not lower your estrogen but it blocks it from binding to the AR in breast tissue. If you get lumps / noticeable puffy nips you already have gyno, it may be minor but it is there. Any time you stimulate it you add a little more tissue to it. No reason to allow it to get to that point if you know that you are gyno sensitive. Just looking out for you brother!
 
MrKleen73 said:
If this is the case then you need to run the nolva with the dbol, it does not lower your estrogen but it blocks it from binding to the AR in breast tissue. If you get lumps / noticeable puffy nips you already have gyno, it may be minor but it is there. Any time you stimulate it you add a little more tissue to it. No reason to allow it to get to that point if you know that you are gyno sensitive. Just looking out for you brother!
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Why not rolaxo? I thought that was best for estrogen control, if I recall correctly.
 
CJNator said:
Why not rolaxo? I thought that was best for estrogen control, if I recall correctly.
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That would be kind of like harpooning a minnow. ;)

He should be fine running 10mg of Nolva daily, ralox is great for shrinking up gyno that is there or if extremely sensitive but nolva is quite effective, it has been the go to for gyno prevention among experienced drug users since the 70's... So long as he has a good source it should be perfect.

You hear more about AI's now because there is a good supplement market so keeping people focused on AI's is beneficial to the bodybuilding industry. However crushing estro blunts gains and causes a plethora of issues with blood work and what not. Using nolva for gyno prevention or combating on setting gyno has been the gold standard among bodybuilders and power lifters for years and years.

The Ralox is like the gold standard for trying to reverse aka starve the breast tissue to make it smaller but he shouldn't really need it unless he let the cycle get out of control. If using for that then you would want to run it with letro and prepare for a miserable 4-6 weeks or so while estrogen is in the bucket.
 
MrKleen73 said:
That would be kind of like harpooning a minnow. ;)

He should be fine running 10mg of Nolva daily, ralox is great for shrinking up gyno that is there or if extremely sensitive but nolva is quite effective, it has been the go to for gyno prevention among experienced drug users since the 70's... So long as he has a good source it should be perfect.

You hear more about AI's now because there is a good supplement market so keeping people focused on AI's is beneficial to the bodybuilding industry. However crushing estro blunts gains and causes a plethora of issues with blood work and what not. Using nolva for gyno prevention or combating on setting gyno has been the gold standard among bodybuilders and power lifters for years and years.

The Ralox is like the gold standard for trying to reverse aka starve the breast tissue to make it smaller but he shouldn't really need it unless he let the cycle get out of control. If using for that then you would want to run it with letro and prepare for a miserable 4-6 weeks or so while estrogen is in the bucket.
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Ah ok, I didn't know it was that strong lol.
 
MrKleen73 said:
If this is the case then you need to run the nolva with the dbol, it does not lower your estrogen but it blocks it from binding to the AR in breast tissue. If you get lumps / noticeable puffy nips you already have gyno, it may be minor but it is there. Any time you stimulate it you add a little more tissue to it. No reason to allow it to get to that point if you know that you are gyno sensitive. Just looking out for you brother!
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Yeah good point, and I already knew I had gyno, it's been there for years and usually flares up on cycle. Probably better to be proactive this time around. I'll order some nolva after this weekend and we'll get rocking.
 
BamBam0319 said:
Yeah good point, and I already knew I had gyno, it's been there for years and usually flares up on cycle. Probably better to be proactive this time around. I'll order some nolva after this weekend and we'll get rocking.
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You just experience flare ups on cycle? Such as side effects that people associate with it? Or do you actually have gyno and it gets worse on cycle?
 
Hastur said:
You just experience flare ups on cycle? Such as side effects that people associate with it? Or do you actually have gyno and it gets worse on cycle?
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I have had legitimate hard lumps and puffy nips on cycle, but off cycle they will shrink and dissipate to the point of being completely undetectable. Like right now, you would never guess that I'd have gyno. On deca and dbol, ugh I looked like a prepubescent bodybuilder girl hybrid.
 
BamBam0319 said:
I have had legitimate hard lumps and puffy nips on cycle, but off cycle they will shrink and dissipate to the point of being completely undetectable. Like right now, you would never guess that I'd have gyno. On deca and dbol, ugh I looked like a prepubescent bodybuilder girl hybrid.
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You do have to look really close to tell in your recent pics. Like inspecting it close, but I have noticed it a little bit when you are on. I only notice because I have some of my own. So it is like owning a car when you have one, you suddenly notice them everywhere.

Then again 40% of males have some form of it now and over 50% when you get over 40 years of age. Not just for steroid users anymore...
 
MrKleen73 said:
You do have to look really close to tell in your recent pics. Like inspecting it close, but I have noticed it a little bit when you are on. I only notice because I have some of my own. So it is like owning a car when you have one, you suddenly notice them everywhere.

Then again 40% of males have some form of it now and over 50% when you get over 40 years of age. Not just for steroid users anymore...
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Exactly! All I can do for the time being is keep it as small as possible!
 
BamBam0319 said:
Lol so I bought four packs of Oreos today while grocery shopping. Peanut butter, s'mores, strawberry shortcake, and birthday cake. Just tried them all.
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Double stuff oreos kill me. 1 row and half gallon milk per sitting, sometimes 2 rows lol
 
Sugar is not my enemy. I don't really want any. Except ONE thing. Those damn baked pies with the chocolate filling. Ummmmm
 
BamBam0319 said:
I have had legitimate hard lumps and puffy nips on cycle, but off cycle they will shrink and dissipate to the point of being completely undetectable. Like right now, you would never guess that I'd have gyno. On deca and dbol, ugh I looked like a prepubescent bodybuilder girl hybrid.
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Ditto. There are days on Tren that my right nipple catches my eye like WTF, do you even lift? From straight on view ok, slight turn to the right uuugh. No Bueno
 
BamBam0319 said:
I have had legitimate hard lumps and puffy nips on cycle, but off cycle they will shrink and dissipate to the point of being completely undetectable. Like right now, you would never guess that I'd have gyno. On deca and dbol, ugh I looked like a prepubescent bodybuilder girl hybrid.
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That sucks, bro! Well best of luck keeping it tame and under control! But hey, if you can keep it from going full-blown on Deca and Dbol, you know how to control it. Somehow I've been lucky to never have gyno symptoms, even being ex-obese and having an over abundance of aromatase being produced. But I keep a stock of exemestane and raloxifene in case that luck ever changes, haha.
 
Dma378 said:
Ditto. There are days on Tren that my right nipple catches my eye like WTF, do you even lift? From straight on view ok, slight turn to the right uuugh. No Bueno
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Tren was actually not as rough on my gyno-wise as deca was. But I know exactly what you're talking about, those damn angles...
Hastur said:
That sucks, bro! Well best of luck keeping it tame and under control! But hey, if you can keep it from going full-blown on Deca and Dbol, you know how to control it. Somehow I've been lucky to never have gyno symptoms, even being ex-obese and having an over abundance of aromatase being produced. But I keep a stock of exemestane and raloxifene in case that luck ever changes, haha.
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Thanks man. I'll be damned if I let it get as bad as it did with deca. I have better ancillaries this time around as well as more knowledge.
 
In other news, my workouts have been absolute crap lately, as has my sleep schedule, appetite, and energy during the day. Having some issues with my girlfriend and I'm thinking it may be messing with my head. This weekend on the river will be good for me. I'm hoping I'll come back ready to rock this cycle and life in general.
 
BamBam0319 said:
In other news, my workouts have been absolute crap lately, as has my sleep schedule, appetite, and energy during the day. Having some issues with my girlfriend and I'm thinking it may be messing with my head. This weekend on the river will be good for me. I'm hoping I'll come back ready to rock this cycle and life in general.
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That's rough, brother. We've all been there. You'll get it all sorted out and kill this cycle, just think about all the gainz in your future. (And the fact that women come and go, but when you're swole finding more ain't ever an issue...)
 
BamBam0319 said:
In other news, my workouts have been absolute crap lately, as has my sleep schedule, appetite, and energy during the day. Having some issues with my girlfriend and I'm thinking it may be messing with my head. This weekend on the river will be good for me. I'm hoping I'll come back ready to rock this cycle and life in general.
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Tell me this isn't the same girl who has been stepping out on every time you turn your back like a runner trying to steal 3rd base. If so play 3rd base Ump and tell her "YOU'RE OUT!!!!!" Kick her ass to the curb already! She is screwing up your sleep, workouts and drive.

If not then I apologize for speaking out.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Tell me this isn't the same girl who has been stepping out on every time you turn your back like a runner trying to steal 3rd base. If so play 3rd base Ump and tell her "YOU'RE OUT!!!!!" Kick her ass to the curb already! She is screwing up your sleep, workouts and drive.

If not then I apologize for speaking out.
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Same chick. What's weird is that the sleep problems started when she went out of town almost two weeks ago. Like literally from the first night I spent alone, and hasn't stopped since.
 
BamBam0319 said:
Same chick. What's weird is that the sleep problems started when she went out of town almost two weeks ago. Like literally from the first night I spent alone, and hasn't stopped since.
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Makes sense, she wasn't sleeping in your bed so you are anxious about who's bed she might be in. I mean you already know you can not trust her.
Sorry brother, I would have an easier time trying to work it out with her having slept with another man then supposedly not, but telling him that she loved him.

One is a physical slip and the other is taking the time to intentionally create an emotional bond with someone other than your significant other. There is no mistake, oops, or I am not sure how it happened there. That was a direct decision to commit time and emotion to the other man. That is way worse than say her getting drunk and making a one time mistake. I don't know why, but I thought you left her back then. You seemed to sound like you agreed that she was untrustworthy.

Hope you get the situation squared away brother!
 
From what it sounds like, you should not let this woman sway you from your path of bad-assery. Trust is hard to come by.and easy to lose. If you can't trust her, stop this train with her. You seem like good people and there are SO many woman out there. Don't stay with the one you question.
 
It's like Dr f1ckin Phil up in here lol. Just follow your heart bam, chance is it doesn't work out but also a chance it does! **** it right?
 
Thanks for all the advice you guys. I'll keep ya updated on the female front if anything changes.
Anyway, I decided to do my first pin before I went home for this weekend. 600mg EQ and 300mg test e, boom. I'll start the dbol on Tuesday when I get back to my apartment and can train again.
We went on a float trip at Black River in southeast Missouri, and there was absolutely no service. Started to rain and there was no sign of stopping so we packed up a day early and came home yesterday. Planned on grilling out and swimming in the pool today but it's raining here too. I'd go train but I didn't bring anything other than sandals lol, didn't think I'd have any time to train while at home. No worries, by the time I can train again I imagine I'll actually want to!
 
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