Pheraplex Shop Talk

MentalTwitch said:
Pman- No disrespect but why are you so hung up one pulsing? Its so much easier to just go full cycle. Yea there may be shutdown, any cycle will. The other sides may increase but you'll have sides longer on a pulse just not as detrimental you know?

I am going into week 3 of Mdrol and bumped to 30. I have no noticeable shutdown, no other outward sides. Now, lipids are prolly off as well as cholesterol levels. I am fairly happy with my current results.

Try a full cycle. You'll like it.
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No disrespect....i've lifted for 20 years natural and gained 100 lbs soo i guess you can say that i've learned to be patience...that being said i have less than a year experience with orals and want to take baby steps instead of just jumping in head first...i guess that i've read too many post where it seems like people jump in full board, get into trouble and then scream for help only to be giving beatin for not taking they're time (like they should)
 
yea i know what you mean. But i went right into a Mdrol cycle. I also spent about 4-5 months gettin down the basics of PH/Steroid use. Most of the time people treat them like regualr supps and just buy them and not acknowledge the level they are on. I feel perfectly safe and if i do get gyno, as i pray i wont, i have my Torem and every other PCT supp on hand.
As long as youre knowledgeable youll be fine. You do seem like a very expirienced person and have seen amny off your posts that consist of legit questions.
I think you should do it. Get all you PCT stuff then figure out dosing for the cycle and begin.
Best of luck whichever way you choose.
 
MentalTwitch said:
yea i know what you mean. But i went right into a Mdrol cycle. I also spent about 4-5 months gettin down the basics of PH/Steroid use. Most of the time people treat them like regualr supps and just buy them and not acknowledge the level they are on. I feel perfectly safe and if i do get gyno, as i pray i wont, i have my Torem and every other post cycle therapy supp on hand.
As long as youre knowledgeable youll be fine. You do seem like a very expirienced person and have seen amny off your posts that consist of legit questions.
I think you should do it. Get all you PCT stuff then figure out dosing for the cycle and begin.
Best of luck whichever way you choose.
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Thanks man...good luck in your future cycles too and be safe....and by the way i'm at the end of week 3 on my pulse and it really seems like its kicking in...having a hard time getting my shirt on...hehehe
 
pman said:
Thanks man...good luck in your future cycles too and be safe....and by the way i'm at the end of week 3 on my pulse and it really seems like its kicking in...having a hard time getting my shirt on...hehehe
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You're using CEL p-plex right? Comments on dry effect vs. wet effect? And compare that to your M-drol pulse. I sure hope things continue to pick in this cycle bro :cheers:
 
celc5 said:
You're using CEL p-plex right? Comments on dry effect vs. wet effect? And compare that to your M-drol pulse. I sure hope things continue to pick in this cycle bro :cheers:
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I am using CEl p-plex but being only 3 weeks in i can't give it a fair review but i can compare it to m-drol at this stage...
So far p-plex isn't as wet as i have read some people said it was. I was expecting to get some bloating but that hasn't happened...yet...and i am running on a little less carbs on this than i did m-drol. I was also expecting to get really smooth looking on p-plex but i'm still getting more and more vains popping out each week...i love that.
M-drol was very dry for me...shoulder joints dried out really bad which i hope to solve next time and lathargy was really bad too...after 4 weeks i was ready to get off it but don't get me wrong m-drol is the bomb to me.
 
Ive got 2 bottles of original PP. I have read and looked through nearly every PP thread. I would just like to get a consensus on the best overall PCT for Pheraplex. I dont wont to have to take 50 different PCT supplements. Something that is short and sweet and covers all the bases so to speak. THANKS IN ADVANCE
 
Does anyone get pumps off PP. Im day 12 into a 4 week cycle and up 12lbs but not experiencing much of a pump and only altitle but of strenght!
 
arnold84 said:
Does anyone get pumps off PP. Im day 12 into a 4 week cycle and up 12lbs but not experiencing much of a pump and only altitle but of strenght!
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Ha! I'm on day 12 right now too but having the OPPOSITE effect :head: Pumps and strenth are really good but I'm only up about 4 pounds. No change in bf, very very mild bloat, no sides. I ran 20mg wk1, 30mg wk2, and plan to go to 40mg next week.
 
celc5 said:
Ha! I'm on day 12 right now too but having the OPPOSITE effect :head: Pumps and strenth are really good but I'm only up about 4 pounds. No change in bf, very very mild bloat, no sides. I ran 20mg wk1, 30mg wk2, and plan to go to 40mg next week.
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lol thats quite strange, i've run the same doses as you so far but plan to stay on 30mg ed for the rest of the cycle! your have to keep us updated bro! :)
 
do you think it might be a good idea to have some cabaser on hand for a pp cycle? I've heard that progestin sides can be a problem with this compound. Im pretty sure driver dan had some lactation with phera when he was on cycle.
 
msucurt said:
Ive got 2 bottles of original PP. I have read and looked through nearly every PP thread. I would just like to get a consensus on the best overall post cycle therapy for Pheraplex. I dont wont to have to take 50 different PCT supplements. Something that is short and sweet and covers all the bases so to speak. THANKS IN ADVANCE
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I just finished a cycle PP and followed it up with Post Cycle Support by AI. I have nothing but good to say about this product. So far three weeks after the cycle I have not experienced any of the sides I usually have after a cycle( like loss of libido). My only concern with PP is how high it cause my BP to go. I am currently searching for a product that does not have that effect on me. My Bp was helped by taking Life Support, but I would still like to find one that I do not have to worry about bp while I am on it.
 
bigt405 said:
I just finished a cycle PP and followed it up with Post Cycle Support by AI. I have nothing but good to say about this product. So far three weeks after the cycle I have not experienced any of the sides I usually have after a cycle( like loss of libido). My only concern with PP is how high it cause my BP to go. I am currently searching for a product that does not have that effect on me. My Bp was helped by taking Life Support, but I would still like to find one that I do not have to worry about bp while I am on it.
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Yeah i hear ya! did you find that it gave you headacheS due to the rise in BP
 
arnold84 said:
lol thats quite strange, i've run the same doses as you so far but plan to stay on 30mg ed for the rest of the cycle! your have to keep us updated bro! :)
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Here's my log: Invalid Link Removed

Down By Law said:
do you think it might be a good idea to have some cabaser on hand for a pp cycle? I've heard that progestin sides can be a problem with this compound. Im pretty sure driver dan had some lactation with phera when he was on cycle.
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I'd bet this was with a clone and with a superdrol in the cycle history at some point. The SD always seems to be involved in a pattern BEFORE phera stirs up any prolactin/gyno issues... maybe DriverDan could chime in to clarify how things went for him?

bigt405 said:
I just finished a cycle PP and followed it up with Post Cycle Support by AI. I have nothing but good to say about this product. So far three weeks after the cycle I have not experienced any of the sides I usually have after a cycle( like loss of libido). My only concern with PP is how high it cause my BP to go. I am currently searching for a product that does not have that effect on me. My Bp was helped by taking Life Support, but I would still like to find one that I do not have to worry about bp while I am on it.
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Life support won't cut it in terms of BP off cycle let alone on cycle. I find it takes about 1.5 grams of Hawthorne about 2 weeks to kick in and have positive effects on BP. So, a preload is definately necessary in terms of prevention.

That's how I'm dosing mine and BP has not budged on this cycle.
 
bigt405 said:
I just finished a cycle PP and followed it up with Post Cycle Support by AI. I have nothing but good to say about this product. So far three weeks after the cycle I have not experienced any of the sides I usually have after a cycle( like loss of libido). My only concern with PP is how high it cause my BP to go. I am currently searching for a product that does not have that effect on me. My Bp was helped by taking Life Support, but I would still like to find one that I do not have to worry about bp while I am on it.
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Big is that all you used for your post cycle? No Nolva?
 
celc5 said:
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I'd bet this was with a clone and with a superdrol in the cycle history at some point. The SD always seems to be involved in a pattern BEFORE phera stirs up any prolactin/gyno issues... maybe DriverDan could chime in to clarify how things went for him?



Life support won't cut it in terms of BP off cycle let alone on cycle. I find it takes about 1.5 grams of Hawthorne about 2 weeks to kick in and have positive effects on BP. So, a preload is definately necessary in terms of prevention.

That's how I'm dosing mine and BP has not budged on this cycle.
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Sorry, I was wrong. The lactation was from Tren not phera. I apologize Dan, my mistake.
 
I've ran one cycle of P-max. I gained 15lbs and strength went up a lot. I ran e-form every night and used Torm for pct. Retained all my gains from the cycle.
 
anyone run CEL's P Plex and NOT experience any shedding? Shedding concerns me the most. I saw some to ergo 1AD and none on Havoc. Im considering Phera in the near future.

both my grandfathers and father had full heads of hair at 50 yrs old
 
BB4Ever22 said:
I've ran one cycle of P-max. I gained 15lbs and strength went up a lot. I ran e-form every night and used Torm for post cycle therapy. Retained all my gains from the cycle.
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BB4ever22, my opinion is that dosing TD form only at night is poor strategy. With a twelve hour delivery, theoretically you could be instigating an estrogen rebound every day.

Ninjo, I started mine 20mg morning, 20mg evening and ramped to 40mg morning, 40mg evening during the 4th week of my phera cycle. The form is giving a nice extra kick, keeping libido/male performance going, and seems to be preventing any sloppy weight gain. I plan to continue my form dosage well into post cycle therapy and continue to slowly ramp inversely to my serm taper.

Odin, I saw mild shedding during the first week of phera. The shedding has actually subsided, even as I continue to ramp my phera dosage. I use Nizarol OTC 3x/week with a ton of conditioner.

I've discussed this with some who seem to be educated in terms of chemistry and they believe that phera does not bind very strongly to the androgen receptor. I have had mild, if any, androgenic reaction to this compound.
 
I was just using 5 sprays every night before bed. Worked well for me. Might read into doing a dose in the morning and at night as you have stated. Never hurts to have too much knowledge.
 
Wow, I've been planning my 1st cycle & decided on P-Plex but after seeing some of the info in this thread now I'm unsure plus this adds to my uncertainty: Invalid Link Removed . Standard name for DMT --> 17α-methyl-5α-androst-2-en-17β-ol which is the same thing as 17α-methyl-etioallcholan-2-ene-17β-ol so Phera = DMT like a few guys were discussing earlier in the thread. The side effects of left ventricular hypertrophy & thickening of the heart scare the shizzle outta me.
 
Ziquor said:
Wow, I've been planning my 1st cycle & decided on P-Plex but after seeing some of the info in this thread now I'm unsure plus this adds to my uncertainty: Invalid Link Removed . Standard name for DMT --> 17α-methyl-5α-androst-2-en-17β-ol which is the same thing as 17α-methyl-etioallcholan-2-ene-17β-ol so Phera = DMT like a few guys were discussing earlier in the thread. The side effects of left ventricular hypertrophy & thickening of the heart scare the shizzle outta me.
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Ya, I thought it was my next step too, but the more I research, the less I want to do it... wish I hadn't already bought it. :dump:
 
GuitarHero said:
Ya, I thought it was my next step too, but the more I research, the less I want to do it... wish I hadn't already bought it. :dump:
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I've run it once and loved it. Now I don't know if I want to run it again with all this crap about heart enlargement etc.. Unfortunately, I still have 4 unopened bottles of PP and 2 unopened bottles of Ergomax LMG that I'll probably never use. :(
 
Yeah I already bought mine too. I seen a similar thread where DrD talks about this & he recomends to only take Phera products once a year for the average joe, but never at all for anyone who has any cardio abnomality. I'm still debating but am 90% sure now I won't do it, I'd rather be safe I suppose.
 
Slander? DMT doesn't cause heart enlargement? Awesome! I always thought MIT( Massachusettes Institute of Technology) was stupid anyhow. I'm gonna start my cycle soon, with a diet strictly of Mcdonalds, Burger King & Paul Mall's for pct. Maybe some Denny's to Recomp.
 
I used phera bol by juggernaut for 4 weeks 10, 20, 30, 30. Sides were headaches some days and I felt a little like someone had inserted a football pump and blown me up. Also had mild (really not bad) acne and wicked cramps in my traps. It (cramps)was so bad towards the end of the 4 weeks that some workouts were cut short because my neck was so sore. Infact, I wanted to carry on longer but these neck cramps were pretty bad and I felt my bp was high.

Weird affect on sexual function and libido. Some days I was horny but nothing happening down there, or I would be rock solid one minute and limp as a noodle the next. Others a sex machine. This was from about a week in when my balls shrank a little until the end of the 4 weeks. No shedding which I was worried about since mpb in the family.

Towards the end of week 2 was when strength increased iirc and gains continued about 3 weeks after my last pill. I used dermacrine sustain for pct. Brought the boys back and no gyno.

Mood was pretty good the whole time. Not snappy or irritable but I ate plenty. My only regret is I didn't do any cardio the whole time but I felt my bp was so high that I didn't feel like doing any, if that makes sense.

Used cycle support throughout. I only loaded a week though, too impatient. I think this might not have helped the bp.

Hope this helps anyone looking to use phera bol!
 
Good review bro. I've been cramping in weird places during my 4th and 5th week. Places like rotator cuff, lats, and tris, which seems bizarre to me.

I've been keeping up with light cardio but it's ABSOLUTE TORTURE because of lethargy. So, I completely understand where you're coming from on that particular topic.

My only suggestion is to slip some AI's into your supplement stacks at this point to be sure to you don't catch the delayed gyno bug that is floating around :cheers:
 
Bent over bb rows were the worst, followed by military presses. I tried taking taurine but it didn't really help I don't think. No big deal aside from interrupting a workout.
 
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