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Phera-Plex/SuperDrol/Prostanozol Bulking Log

So you dosed 20, 30, 30 for 3 weeks with Prostan and you seem to be doing great with PCT without Nolva. Congrats man. Seems like you made a great choice in the short cycle. 12lbs is awesome in only 19 days on.
I am going to keep the nolva on hand, but because of this log, might run the exact same thing, minus the Prostan or maybe with it, can't decide).
Instead of throwing in Prostan and if the sides are at a minimum, do you think it would kill me to add a 20mg dosage at the beginning and try and run this for 4 weeks?
With 4 weeks I'll probably need to use my nolva, but if the results are positive, I'm down.
I'm running PCT and Retain in my PCT after, as well as the other usuals and probably DHEA. Not 100% sure on the DHEA yet though
 
PGJPB said:
So you dosed 20, 30, 30 for 3 weeks with Prostan and you seem to be doing great with PCT without Nolva. Congrats man. Seems like you made a great choice in the short cycle. 12lbs is awesome in only 19 days on.
I am going to keep the nolva on hand, but because of this log, might run the exact same thing, minus the Prostan or maybe with it, can't decide).
Instead of throwing in Prostan and if the sides are at a minimum, do you think it would kill me to add a 20mg dosage at the beginning and try and run this for 4 weeks?
With 4 weeks I'll probably need to use my nolva, but if the results are positive, I'm down.
I'm running PCT and Retain in my PCT after, as well as the other usuals and probably DHEA. Not 100% sure on the DHEA yet though
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Yeah I'm definitely pleased with the results. I just glad I finally hit 190, now it gives me the motivation to go ahead and push for 200!

But yeah, I dosed 20mg 30mg 30mg of PP for 3 weeks, and 75mg 100mg 100mg of Prostanozol for 3 weeks. And as far as your question, no I definitely don't think it would kill you to run an additional week at 20mg. Like I said, my 3 weeker was virtually side-free, so 4 I wouldn't think, would be to much of a ballbreaker. You may want to go 20 30 30 30 or adjust your dosages accordingly, I think DS recommends dosing PP a tad higher than they do Superdrol.
 
I believe earlier you might have mentioned that the Prostan was not really necessary in your gains (I think it was you, correct if I am wrong on this) but now that it is all said and done, do you think it was a valuable asset to your cycle? Especially considering you lacked sides, because I was planning on dropping the prostan because I was afraid fo it increasing the chances of side effects.
 
PGJPB said:
I believe earlier you might have mentioned that the Prostan was not really necessary in your gains (I think it was you, correct if I am wrong on this) but now that it is all said and done, do you think it was a valuable asset to your cycle? Especially considering you lacked sides, because I was planning on dropping the prostan because I was afraid fo it increasing the chances of side effects.
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I think the prostanozol may have helped in vascularity a little bit, and I certainly did not increase in bodyfat while on, though eating above maintenance calories. I've taken Prostanozol before and it didn't do jack ****, I just took it this time to finish off the bottle. If I were you, and I was worried about sides popping up (although the chance of sides on PP and prost is very low) I just wouldn't include it... Besides, that will save you $$$ :thumbsup:

MGH1982 said:
MagicKK, u notice any gyno symptoms on this cycle?
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No, none whatsoever.
 
Magickk said:
I think the prostanozol may have helped in vascularity a little bit, and I certainly did not increase in bodyfat while on, though eating above maintenance calories. I've taken Prostanozol before and it didn't do jack ****, I just took it this time to finish off the bottle. If I were you, and I was worried about sides popping up (although the chance of sides on PP and prost is very low) I just wouldn't include it... Besides, that will save you $$$ :thumbsup:

No, none whatsoever.
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Good call bro. No prostan for me then. I can't wait. I'm currently eating an excess of calories going on week two. I'm going to start liver protectant for about two weeks starting next week and do that for about 2 weeks. Then come Xmas, it's on. PP followed by PCT, Retain, DHEA, possibly Nolva (what are your thoughts on the necessity of nolva (tamox) after four weeks of PP at 20, 30, 30, 30, although I will have on hand in case I have a flare up).
Thanks for the help man, awesome log.
 
PGJPB said:
Good call bro. No prostan for me then. I can't wait. I'm currently eating an excess of calories going on week two. I'm going to start liver protectant for about two weeks starting next week and do that for about 2 weeks. Then come Xmas, it's on. PP followed by PCT, Retain, DHEA, possibly Nolva (what are your thoughts on the necessity of nolva (tamox) after four weeks of PP at 20, 30, 30, 30, although I will have on hand in case I have a flare up).
Thanks for the help man, awesome log.
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You may want to run the liver protectant for more than 2 weeks to get the benefits from it. Just a heads up...

As far as the Nolva goes, I didn't use mine because my bottle is still unopened; I've always had in on hand in case of gyno but never ran it through PCT. I have Ultra Hot that is still unused, so I decided to finish off the bottle. I also use DHEA, fenugreek, Vitamins C & E, and several ancillaries throughout PCT. I think it really depends on the person; some people believe Nolva should be the staple to a good PCT regimen. You said:

"PP followed by PCT, Retain, DHEA, possibly Nolva"

so all you are taking is retain and DHEA? If you aren't incorporating ultra hot(ter) or rebound xt then yes, you DEFINITELY need nolva in there. Retain is good for cort control during pct, and dhea helps with that also, but you are going to need something to help boost those natty test levels and suppress estrogen after 4 weeks of exogenous hormones... The choice is up to you. Search around the boards and get whatever you think sounds the best and find an appropriate dosing protocol. :cheers:
 
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Magickk said:
You may want to run the liver protectant for more than 2 weeks to get the benefits from it. Just a heads up...

As far as the Nolva goes, I didn't use mine because my bottle is still unopened; I've always had in on hand in case of gyno but never ran it through PCT. I have Ultra Hot that is still unused, so I decided to finish off the bottle. I also use DHEA, fenugreek, Vitamins C & E, and several ancillaries throughout PCT. I think it really depends on the person; some people believe Nolva should be the staple to a good PCT regimen. You said:

"PP followed by PCT, Retain, DHEA, possibly Nolva"

so all you are taking is retain and DHEA? If you aren't incorporating ultra hot(ter) or rebound xt then yes, you DEFINITELY need nolva in there. Retain is good for cort control during pct, and dhea helps with that also, but you are going to need something to help boost those natty test levels after 4 weeks of exogenous hormones... The choice is up to you. Search around the boards and get whatever you think sounds the best and find an appropriate dosing protocol. :cheers:
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Sorry dude, I confused myself typing. I meant I was going to run the liver protectant two weeks prior, and during the cycle, and after. I was just pointing out that soon I was going to start the 2 week prep. Probably Perfect cycle. And I was going to use the actual product called "PCT" by designer supplements, with the retain, and the dhea, and fenugreek, among other various supps (vitamines, fish oil, saw palmetto, etc). Does that sound better now?
 
Magickk said:
I'm not familiar with "PCT by Designer Supplements"...
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sorry, i guess it is called anabolic xtreme. I am wondering if maybe I should got he Rebound XT route, or UltraHot instead. Any thoughts on this?
 
Anyone try an MCT diet with SD - I am looking at doing it - burinin fat for calories with lower carbs. Any comments, experience with this. I hate to be the 1st and F*** it up.
 
THETEST said:
Anyone try an MCT diet with SD - I am looking at doing it - burinin fat for calories with lower carbs. Any comments, experience with this. I hate to be the 1st and F*** it up.
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ya actually you want to run more carbs with the SD since its greatly increases the glycogen upload in your muscles and works better with more carbs. just cut out most the fat and work with normal to maybe slightly above normal carbs and youll do fine.
 
you reccomend rebound xt, ultrahot, or PCT? I was going to choose PCT just because it was on sale and it seemed to be a good substitute. Dumb reason i know, but I am stopping myself to see what people think. I suppose if rebound works for people maybe I should stick with that
 
PGJPB said:
you reccomend rebound xt, ultrahot, or PCT? I was going to choose PCT just because it was on sale and it seemed to be a good substitute. Dumb reason i know, but I am stopping myself to see what people think. I suppose if rebound works for people maybe I should stick with that
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PCT is Ultra Hotter. It is methylated ATD, which doesn't have alot of feedback. Rebound XT is ATD, no methyl; tried and true. Or you could just buy some bulk ATD, like Giant Nutrition's, and help out the Patrick Arnold legal fund.
 
Yea 3 PCT at night gave me a headache, so moving to 2 oills was better. Other than perfect cycle pills smelling bad, and having to be taken 3 times across the day, it seemed to work - acne has mostly gone away. After blood test I will know for sure if PCT/Retain/Perfect Cycle combo works well.
 
PCT effects

Yea 3 PCT at night gave me a headache, so moving to 2 oills was better. Other than perfect cycle pills smelling bad, and having to be taken 3 times across the day, it seemed to work - acne has mostly gone away. After blood test I will know for sure if PCT/Retain/Perfect Cycle combo works well.
I was not thrilled with the testostrone dept - so I was using TestoFEN from IDS, then moved to LH Boost. I think it is best to get natural test enhancement. (not TestoFEN)
 
jshin said:
Any updates Magikk? How is PCT going so far?
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PCT is going awesome actually. I had a nice workout yesterday, strength is down just a tad, but I've still held onto 9/12 lbs. I put on. The oiliness I was getting in my skin during the first week of PCT is completely gone. Libido hasn't fallen off at all, I've been taking MACA / Fenugreek / Ultra HOT / 200mg DHEA per day / Fish Oils & Multi. I think the DHEA is really going it's job at cort control or something b/c I'm getting visibly leaner in the midsection. Overall I'm very pleased w/ the run...
 
Magickk said:
PCT is going awesome actually. I had a nice workout yesterday, strength is down just a tad, but I've still held onto 9/12 lbs. I put on. The oiliness I was getting in my skin during the first week of PCT is completely gone. Libido hasn't fallen off at all, I've been taking MACA / Fenugreek / Ultra HOT / 200mg DHEA per day / Fish Oils & Multi. I think the DHEA is really going it's job at cort control or something b/c I'm getting visibly leaner in the midsection. Overall I'm very pleased w/ the run...
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hey sir hows PCT comin along? what kind of supps are you taking for the strength depo? any kind of creatine or NO products? noticed any considerable changes in strength or weight? and oh ya MERRY CHRISTMAS!
 
poopypants said:
hey sir hows PCT comin along? what kind of supps are you taking for the strength depo? any kind of creatine or NO products? noticed any considerable changes in strength or weight? and oh ya MERRY CHRISTMAS!
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Happy holidays poopeypants!! PCT is pretty much over. My last day in the gym and on DHEA / Ultra Hot was last thursday. BP was good, the workout was good, felt like a normal workout BEFORE the 3 weeker, but just like I had been "upgraded" a tad :D Now I'm taking Green Bulge, multi, EFA's, maca and fenugreek... I'm horny as hell all day every day, and I think I'm kinda getting on my wife's nerves :lol: All is good and I'm very pleased with the results. I'd recommend PP to anyone who's going the oral route, although I will never run an oral cycle again, unless some mind-blowingly revolutionary product comes out. I'll most likely stay natural for another year or so at LEAST.


Also man there's something I've been meaning to ask you regarding snowboarding... I got a Lamar board w/ boots and bindings for Xmas, and I've tried snowboarding a few times, but never could really get the hang of cutting the turns, I'm a complete beginner. I'm going this weekend and I'll probably take a lesson at the resort, but do you have any like, MUST KNOW tips about boarding or things that will help me control the board and my turns??? Any info would really be helpful!
 
poopypants said:
ya actually you want to run more carbs with the SD since its greatly increases the glycogen upload in your muscles and works better with more carbs. just cut out most the fat and work with normal to maybe slightly above normal carbs and youll do fine.
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I've heard that damn statement regurgitated around all different boards, but no one's seems to be talking from personal experience.

I for one tried SD on a low carb diet, I only took in 75g of Vitargo post workout with trace carbs the rest of the day. (Under 80g total carbs/day) Kept 18lbs after PCT, and lost ~1% bf.

I personally believe protein is the most important macro on SD, I took in atleast five times my bodyweight (in pounds) of protein every day.
 
i'm on sd right now and if i dont take in a serious amount of carbs i get lightheaded and i get minor migraines, feels sort of like hypoglycemia, why this is...nobody knows, but for me i coultn't imagine cutting on sd, i would feel like crap and be dizzy all the time.
 
Xel said:
I've heard that damn statement regurgitated around all different boards, but no one's seems to be talking from personal experience.

I for one tried SD on a low carb diet, I only took in 75g of Vitargo post workout with trace carbs the rest of the day. (Under 80g total carbs/day) Kept 18lbs after PCT, and lost ~1% bf.

I personally believe protein is the most important macro on SD, I took in atleast five times my bodyweight (in pounds) of protein every day.
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HOLY ****!!!! So you took in ~1000 lbs. of protein a day?!!! (assuming you weigh 200lbs.)

GODDAMN MAN - you're a MONSTER! :jaw:
 
Magickk said:
HOLY ****!!!! So you took in ~1000 lbs. of protein a day?!!! (assuming you weigh 200lbs.)

GODDAMN MAN - you're a MONSTER! :jaw:
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LMAO

I meant 5 grams per pound of bodyweight.
 
Xel said:
I've heard that damn statement regurgitated around all different boards, but no one's seems to be talking from personal experience.

I for one tried SD on a low carb diet, I only took in 75g of Vitargo post workout with trace carbs the rest of the day. (Under 80g total carbs/day) Kept 18lbs after PCT, and lost ~1% bf.

I personally believe protein is the most important macro on SD, I took in atleast five times my bodyweight (in pounds) of protein every day.
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ok im happy youve heard that alot and im sorry but its usally from guys like me who have put it to the test and seen the results for themselves, it brought on huge strength gains this way and gave great pumps, in the days where i didnt take enough complex carbs there was a noticable difference in pumps and strength, of course protien is always the staple to anything man but it should be known that SD works quite well with a high carb diet and isnt prone to store it as fat since it uploads it into muscle stores so well.take as much pro as you need but up your carbs and your over all cals to make room for more carbs. youd be much happier with that kind of cycle for sure. plus like this guy i can feel hypoglycemic sometimes
 
Magickk said:
Also man there's something I've been meaning to ask you regarding snowboarding... I got a Lamar board w/ boots and bindings for Xmas, and I've tried snowboarding a few times, but never could really get the hang of cutting the turns, I'm a complete beginner. I'm going this weekend and I'll probably take a lesson at the resort, but do you have any like, MUST KNOW tips about boarding or things that will help me control the board and my turns??? Any info would really be helpful!
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Magickk said:
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BAHAHAHA. YES. ya dude i board a couple times a week! i love the bump on this question too! sorry im a boarding fanatic.

as for the tips i suggest remembering to crouch, not so much that it looks like your taking a dump but dont get all stiff legged like i see some people do and then they eat a face full of it. just keep your legs bent your weight centered and let your body do most of the turning with pressure either on your toes or heels doing the guideing. kinda like a bike, to turn you mostly commit to it and lean then use the handle bars for your main point of balance and fine tuned controlling. i hope any of this helps, if i went with you its alot easier to point and say bend here and put pressure here when your doing this but i am really used to it now and its all just flowing for me, its kind of a natural feeling for me. it can be hard for some people to really learn their balance while they slide back and forth over moving terrain, but its really just about feeling it out and commiting to the turn in order to carve really well. try baording for 6-8 hours a day a couple times a week and yull see what kind of benifits that has on your legs and cardio health. i have a resting heart beat of 47 right now and ill bet its still dropping weekly.

sorry for the rant hope it helps and have fun
 
poopypants said:
BAHAHAHA. YES. ya dude i board a couple times a week! i love the bump on this question too! sorry im a boarding fanatic.

as for the tips i suggest remembering to crouch, not so much that it looks like your taking a dump but dont get all stiff legged like i see some people do and then they eat a face full of it. just keep your legs bent your weight centered and let your body do most of the turning with pressure either on your toes or heels doing the guideing. kinda like a bike, to turn you mostly commit to it and lean then use the handle bars for your main point of balance and fine tuned controlling. i hope any of this helps, if i went with you its alot easier to point and say bend here and put pressure here when your doing this but i am really used to it now and its all just flowing for me, its kind of a natural feeling for me. it can be hard for some people to really learn their balance while they slide back and forth over moving terrain, but its really just about feeling it out and commiting to the turn in order to carve really well. try baording for 6-8 hours a day a couple times a week and yull see what kind of benifits that has on your legs and cardio health. i have a resting heart beat of 47 right now and ill bet its still dropping weekly.

sorry for the rant hope it helps and have fun
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Had a blast... This was my 3rd time boarding and the new, non-rental snowboard really helped out. By the end of the night I was linking my turns on the smoother terrain the whole way down the hill, even though it was mostly ice :( I ride regular, and it seems like it's easier to link the turns if I keep my back leg locked (straight), kinda like you did if you were on a skateboard and were just spinning around in circles on it w/ only 2 wheels on the ground... Oh yeah, I hit this hardcore bump on a steep part of one slope and rode a "wheelie" for a good 5 yards, then ate **** hard :toofunny:

Definitely a lot of room for improvement but I had a great time - <3 snowboarding!:bow28:
 
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