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Permanent natural testosterone suppresion from SARMS?

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Will you risk permanent natural testosterone suppresion from SARMs in the same way as steroids?
most people that have used AAS never get back to their natural testosterone production (abit lower)

could you get permanent testosterone suppresion from an ostarine only cycle? is the chances lower for this side effect?
or is suppresion = suppresion period
 
Hmm, not sure specially about ostarine. It does shut folks down. I'm like one of those who thinks a certain amount of supression could be perm. Maybe a loss of 10% after a cycle, maybe more​or less. But I kinda feel like the forever supression is someone who ran a 6 month cycle on a ton of crap. Guys who don't PCT or don't do it correctly. There are people who will disagree with me and they might be right too.

You should accept the risk of "if I'm not thorough in my research or approach I risk health issues" before you begin any thing that supress your T.

In general if you keep it simple and cycled not too long and PCT is good you sound be ok. Of course I'm not a physician so please formula your own opinion.

I just finished PCT from epistane and trestalone. It was rough but I'm back to my normal self again and without much of a total loss in The numbers. 330 before 321 now.

i will read it again in about two months, and once again before my next cycle this winter. Getting blood is critical to knowing if you've recovered fully. Otherwise your guessing.
 
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sespress said:
Hmm, not sure specially about ostarine. It does shut folks down. I'm like one of those who thinks a certain amount of supression could be perm. Maybe a loss of 10% after a cycle, maybe more​or less. But I kinda feel like the forever supression is someone who ran a 6 month cycle on a ton of crap. Guys who don't PCT or don't do it correctly. There are people who will disagree with me and they might be right too.

You should accept the risk of "if I'm not thorough in my research or approach I risk health issues" before you begin any thing that supress your T.

In general if you keep it simple and cycled not too long and PCT is good you sound be ok. Of course I'm not a physician so please formula your own opinion.

I just finished PCT from epistane and trestalone. It was rough but I'm back to my normal self again and without much of a total loss in The numbers. 330 before 321 now.

i will read it again in about two months, and once again before my next cycle this winter. Getting blood is critical to knowing if you've recovered fully. Otherwise your guessing.
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321 after pct? isnt that very very low?
(is the normal range 500-700?)

do you know what your test levels wer before your first cycle?
 
Normal range is different for everyone, he said his normal is 330 and he's back to his normal, yes it's on the low side. In my mid 20's I was never under 700. Anything hormonal over time along with age will decline your normal levels. There alot more to this topic maybe one of the older guys will chime in
 
heyboy said:
321 after pct? isnt that very very low?
(is the normal range 500-700?)

do you know what your test levels wer before your first cycle?
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Line 400 something after it, at 27, but dropped to 300's by the time I ran again, at 33. I think it's always been kinda low compared to others but haven't ever had low To symptoms

Let me edit that I have a higher bf% which I think plays a factor especially having been kinda a fatty in childhood, losing it but then gaining weight a few years back. Being overweight for lots of your childhood sets you up bad in general so wouldn't surprise me if that was why my numbers look lower also.
 
Its probably difficult to tell because test levels decrease over time at an individual specific rate anyway. Also, once u get a bit older diet affects test production a lot more (last year i got my test levels up from 13nmol to 18nmol by increasing my intake of greens and fats).
 
Possible but unlikely.

Put it this way, theres a higher chance of you losing your virginity before 30.
 
Nac said:
Possible but unlikely.

Put it this way, theres a higher chance of you losing your virginity before 30.
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so if some one between 21-25 years old wer gonna use peds, its alot safer to use sarms than testosterone cycles?
 
heyboy said:
so if some one between 21-25 years old wer gonna use peds, its alot safer to use sarms than testosterone cycles?
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NO. There's no "safer". Everything is based on your individual genetics, and your individual overall hormonal balance. what your testosterone starts as is only a small fraction of the whole hormone chain, each segment of which is affected by your own genetics. They all affect the symptomatic parts. I've known guys who had a testosterone level of 250 and had raging libido, and guys who had over 700 who had erectile dysfunction.

So any hormonal affecting product has its risks, and there isn't real data to figure out how bad those risks are. Beyond the fact that when you buy a sarm, you don't know what actually is in that bottle.

This isn't trying to tell you to not use them, but to not try and play the "is ostarant safer than oral trest which is safer than d-bol which is safer than injecting test which is safer than injecting tren" because nobody really knows.

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EasyEJL said:
NO. There's no "safer". Everything is based on your individual genetics, and your individual overall hormonal balance. what your testosterone starts as is only a small fraction of the whole hormone chain, each segment of which is affected by your own genetics. They all affect the symptomatic parts. I've known guys who had a testosterone level of 250 and had raging libido, and guys who had over 700 who had erectile dysfunction.

So any hormonal affecting product has its risks, and there isn't real data to figure out how bad those risks are. Beyond the fact that when you buy a sarm, you don't know what actually is in that bottle.

This isn't trying to tell you to not use them, but to not try and play the "is ostarant safer than oral trest which is safer than d-bol which is safer than injecting test which is safer than injecting tren" because nobody really knows.

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thanks man, is what ur saying: if your gonna do it u might aswell go hard and stop acting like sht is safe?
or do you recomend lighter cycles?
 
heyboy said:
thanks man, is what ur saying: if your gonna do it u might aswell go hard and stop acting like sht is safe?
or do you recomend lighter cycles?
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See, its not so much the questions youre asking but the way youre asking them.

People will be reluctant to make decisions like this for you, where you have phrased it in such a way that it clearly holds them responsible and open to recourse if you fuk things up and do something you later regret.

If you wanna dabble in risky sh1t, you gotta man up and not expect to have your hand held all the way. If you want your hand held, stick to walking in meadows of daffodils. Whatever you end up doing, your actions are on you.
 
heyboy said:
Will you risk permanent natural testosterone suppresion from SARMs in the same way as steroids?
most people that have used AAS never get back to their natural testosterone production (abit lower)

could you get permanent testosterone suppresion from an ostarine only cycle? is the chances lower for this side effect?
or is suppresion = suppresion period
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A lot of great advice already...

I think one of the issues with SARM use, is the dosage. there is a bit of clinical data already, but nobody uses clinical doses..... even with Ostarine the clinical dose was 3 mg, whereas most recommend 10-25 mg.

unfortunately, some companies actually recommend using SARMs in PCT, which makes people think they are less benign than they really are.

to answer your question, as to whether they're less likely to cause suppression: I guess nobody knows yet. they seem to affect some of the androgen receptors less strongly than others, which might matter.

of course, some guys have total suppression after one normal cycle and a good PCT. some guys recover after no PCT and years without a break.
 
Nac said:
See, its not so much the questions youre asking but the way youre asking them.

People will be reluctant to make decisions like this for you, where you have phrased it in such a way that it clearly holds them responsible and open to recourse if you fuk things up and do something you later regret.

If you wanna dabble in risky sh1t, you gotta man up and not expect to have your hand held all the way. If you want your hand held, stick to walking in meadows of daffodils. Whatever you end up doing, your actions are on you.
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Agreed.

Given, however, that safety is a unknown variable as everyone has said, and IF (not an endorsement) he makes the decision to do something hormonal (SARM included), then a lighter, shorter cycle you'r first time is better than going for a compound or combo. For instance a bad idea world be you attacking your body your first time with some insane combo like (just throwing things out here) sdrol + something or trestalone or (insert anything else harsh here). There are things out there known to be unforgiving for many even the experienced. Another bad idea would be or anything with some advanced dose protocol, swapping between drugs mid cycle - anything that could be jacked up easily.

Tossing in exotic stuff like peptides on a cycle would be bad to begin on. If you can't source your PCT but you can source your gear that's a huge issue, and you should hold off. If that chart was unknown to you, and you didn't look it up in addition on Wikipedia your not interested in learning enough, and you should hold off as well. If you did, it still doesn't mean you should.

Keeping it simple is advisable first time and if risk is an issue for you just don't do it at all because no one can gauge how this will help/hurt you specifically. Good luck, error on the side of caution, yada yada. ?
 
I would suggest doing research before you try anything then make an informed decision as to whether it's going to be beneficial or if there are significant risks, how to mitigate them. Just my 02
 
gigante35 said:
i have had run over 20 cycles and after pct my test never went under 600, so it depende from person to person.
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Did you ever get levels at least 6-12 months after being off all PCT and test boosters?

For me: 1/2011: on clomid, test >1100
4/2011 (3 months later) test 617 (good)
06/2012: test 390 (back to preclomid baseline)

Clomid lasts a long time, months
 
Justlooking5 said:
Did you ever get levels at least 6-12 months after being off all PCT and test boosters?

For me: 1/2011: on clomid, test >1100
4/2011 (3 months later) test 617 (good)
06/2012: test 390 (back to preclomid baseline)

Clomid lasts a long time, months
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You know I've been done with PCT 4 a little over a month I think I'll post results
 
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