Performax Labs PowerMax XT Log & The Solution

[jayo84]

Huy Fong Sriracha + Boars Head Horseradish Sauce = Amazing.

huy fong is the only Sriracha!

 

[The Solution]

Mesocycle #5
Week 6 Day 2

Tempo Indication: Eccentricause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:1:2
Rest Times are 60 Seconds

Hammer Strength Decline Chest Press:
2 Plates/Side x 20
2 Plates + 25/Side x 15
3 Plates/Side x 12
3 Plates + 25/Side x 10

Incline Smith Bench:
185 x 4 (6 Sets)
**15 Seconds rest between sets ((Muscle Round)) **

Cable Crossover Bicep Curl (Stand between cable crossovers)
10 Each Hand x 20 (3 Sets)

Standing EZ Bar Curl
25/side x 8 + 4 + 4 + 2 + 2 (Rest Pause Set)

Tricep Pressdown:
130 x 15, 150 x 12, 170 x 10, 190 x 8

Overhead Tricep Extension:
110 x 10 + 5 + 5 + 3 + 2 (Rest Pause)

Post-Workout:
Little G's Bangin' Bakalva


Powermax

Pre / Intra - PowerMax XT (Solo)

Recovery - Legs are still shot from Sunday
Low back is a bit tender this morning, but to be expected I crushed it yesterday. Today is a quick workout (40 minutes), in out and done. Have a long day of work today. Since I am on my feet all day that probably doesn't help my legs and recovery, but hopefully the ice cream covers that

 

[The Solution]

Mesocycle #5
Week 6 Day 3

Tempo Indication: Eccentricause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:1:2
Rest Times are 60 Seconds

T-Bar Row:
3-25’s x 20
4-25’s x 12
5-25’s x 10, 8 --→ Dropset down to 1 Plate and hit failure

Single-Arm Seated Cable Row:
27.5 Each Hand x 12 (3 Sets)

Low Row with Mag Grip Attachment:
100 x 12 (3 Sets)

HS Shoulder Press
2 Plaets/Side x 8 (4 Sets)

A1: DB Laterals
15’s x 20, 15
20’s x 12, 10
A2: DB Front Laterals
15’s x 20, 15
20’s x 12, 10

Seated Calf Raise: (3:2:1:2)
1 Plate x 20 (1 Set) , 2 Plates x 10 (4 Sets), 1 Plate x 20 (1 Set)

Post-Workout:
Blueberry Graham Cracker Protein Donuts


PowerMax

Pre - 15g HBCD
Intra - PowerMax XT (Solo)
Training - Fed State with 50g of carbs pre-workout

Recovery - Legs still a touch sore from Sunday. I need to find a way to do to this to my upperbody so that way it can catch up to my lower half. Overall training rest period times have been consistent from day 1, so that is a plus with the product to aid with recovery between sets. Have not seen a real impact on recovery on a day to day basis (Soreness) as that is still the same and has not improved. Not really a major product to enhance the pump based on the profile, and I can't say I feel a change in pump since using Powermax XT. I will say though in a 45oz shaker you can still taste the orange , cream is very faint, then again I always dilute my beverages and sip on them. Sometimes I will even fill up my shaker half way through the session due to how much water I drink and it still holds flavor.

 

[The Solution]

Mesocycle #5
Week 6 Day 4

Tempo Indication: Eccentricause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:1:2
Rest Times are 60 Seconds

Pec Deck:
80 x 20
100 x 15
120 x 12
140 x 10

DB Flat Bench Press:
100’s x 12 (4 Sets)

Low Cable Crossover Curl:
10 Each Hand x 20 (3 Sets)

Single Arm Preacher Curl:
20 Each Hand x 12 (3 Sets)

Tricep Rope Pressdown:
130 x 15, 150 x 12, 170 x 10, 190 x 8

Deadstop Skullcrushers:
35/side x 10 (4 Sets)
35/Side x Failure (1 Set)

Post-Workout:
Protein Pumpkin Pies


Powermax
Pre - 30g HBCD
Intra - PowerMax XT (Solo)
Training - Fasted State

Recovery - Short session. As you guys know my upperbody lags compared to my lower, so I have been prioritizing it with my training and hitting it multiple times a week and only hitting legs once. Funny thing is.. My legs are sore as ever, getting bigger even the less I train them. Go Figure right? LOL..

Overall good session, quick session, and I keep rest times down. The DB Flat press is around 90-120 and I keep trying to match 10 reps. If the 100's go up easy I try and bump to the 110's which I did hit for 1 set but not all sets.

 

[The Solution]

Mesocycle #5
Week 6 Day 5

Tempo Indication: Eccentricause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:1:2
Rest Times are 60 Seconds

Back Hyperextension:
BW + Bands x 20 (3 Sets)

Mag Grip Lat Pulldown:
80 x 20
120 x 10 (3 Sets)

Assisted Pullup (3 Second Hold at Top)
BW x 10 (3 Sets)

Smith Machine Military Press
135 x 15 (4 Sets)

Lying Cable Upright Rows:
35 (each Hand) x 15 (4 sets)

Standing Calf Raise: (2:1:2:1)
135 x 20, (1 Set), 225 x 10 (4 Sets), 135 x 20 (1 Set)

Post-Workout
Bacon Egg and Cheese English Muffins with a PB Lean Glaze + PB Lean Glazed Sweet Potatoes


Powermax
Pre - 30g HBCD
Intra - PowerMax XT (Solo)
Training - Fasted State

Recovery - Short session. Back for the 3rd time this week, and it still feels good. I can tell since training my back 3x a week it has seen some thickness improve over the last 6 weeks so far on the mesocycle with 2 more to go. Recovery has been good, but like stated when I train my legs once (Tomorrow) they will be sore until wednesday if not later next week.

Overall good session. Only a few more left, starting to get to the bottom of the tub!

 

[The Solution]

Mesocycle #5
Week 1 Day 6

Tempo Indication: Eccentricause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:1:2
Rest Times are 60 Seconds

Bodyweight Lunges:
2-3 Warm-Up Sets

A1: Leg Extension (Weight Each Leg)
30 x 30, 40 x 20, 50 x 15, 55 x 10, 60 x 8
A2: Lying Leg Curl
80 x 30, 95 x 20, 110 x 15, 130 x 10, 140 x 8

B1: Feet High Leg Press (Close Stance)
6 Plates/Side x 20, 7 Plates x 15, 8 Plates x 12, 9 Plates x 10
B2: DB Stiff Leg Deadlifts
80’s x 20, 90’s x 15, 100’s x 12, 110’s x 10

Hammer Strength V-Squat:
210 x 15, 250 x 12, 290 x 10, 330 x 8

Smith Reverse Lunge
135 x 12 (3 Sets)

C1: Adductor
C2: Abductor
3 Rounds of 12 Reps

Post-Workout:
Chicken Bacon Ranch Pizza:


PowerMax XT

Pre - 50g Carbs
Intra - Powermax XT
Training - Fed

Smashed, Crushed, Destroyed. Waiting to be sore until Wednesday if not later this week. Luckily i have a 90 minute deep tissue/thai massage Wednesday night to help loosen myself up. I can tell after a month or so my IT Bands, hamstrings, traps, scapula get locked up a bit from training. I can even notice it in my posing as well. When I hit a rear lat spread my scapula may get tied up when trying to spread out. Will get a final review up soon. I am scraping the bottom of the tub.

 

[The Solution]

Final Review

Expectations

-- Increased Performance & Endurance

Between fasted and fed training I felt the recovery and performance shined more in a fasted state. Given most people eat to support their training (timing their carbs) this plays a much larger role then involving a peri-workout supplement. I hit some great sessions in a fasted stated and added some new PR's to my training in both forms of training. Overall no complains, but I found greater recovery when I was dosing my previous peri-workout protocol of ergonine + xtend perform. This could deal with with Peak02 which I respond very well to.

-- Strength Gains

As noted in my training there were a few PR's met. I also felt better MMC and TUT on some of my exercises which is a bonus. I am training back 3x a week at the moment to bring up a lagging bodypart, therefore I am happy to see some better numbers through the training mesocycle.

-- Lower rest times
Rest times were up and down. I noticed I did train better in a fed state, but I did knock out some great fasted training sessions. Again this was not as good as my previous intra-workout cocktail of ergonine + Xtend perform as I find I do respond well to Peak02. Still good, but not the best I have ever trained or the quickest I have recovered between sets.

-- Improved Pumps & Muscle Fullness

I did not notice a change in pumps or muscle fullness throughout this log. While the formula doesn't have a lot of ingredients to benefit that it is still something I wanted to keep tabs on during my training. I still had some great pumps during fed training. Some days I went in first thing out of bed I had some great pumps, but possibly could have been better with a pre-workout meal. If I eat way too close to training it does more harm then good for myself.

-- Improved Hydration

I felt hydrated pretty well throughout the entire log.
When I train fasted I will have 2-3 cups of coffee and at least 20-24oz of water prior to training. If I train fed I will easily have a half gallon if not a full gallon in my system. During training I would mix an fill a 45oz shaker that I would consumer the Powermax XT in. Sometimes I would go to the fountain and fill it up once it was halfway gone. It has been in the 80-90's this last past week, so with extra sweating and humidity I was drinking more water and staying hydrated.

Overall

- I did not find better recovery or endurance compared to Ergonine + Xtend Perform my previous intra-workout cocktail
- The mixing of the product is pretty bad, even if you mix it with a spoon you get a large 1" pile of raws at the bottom of your shaker cup. Even if I let it sit overnight after mixing everything sits at the bottom of your shaker. If you try shaking this in a shaker bottle prepare to get at least 3-4" of foam
- Hydration and rest times were noticed during intra-workout training, but not the best I have ever noticed when rotating multiple products in the past. I would rank this up there as a great product, but again not the best I have used.
- I saw no changed in pumps, but a slight increase in performance and strength. There could be lots of factors to this as in hydration, water, and sleep, but I tried to keep all things consistent throughout the log to keep the focus on the product itself.

Overall I am pleased, I think it is a great product. The mixing of it is the biggest downfall IMO.
Price point is very fair for what you are getting and the ingredient profile. I have always been a fan of the way Performax doses their products, and I know they are tweaking things for the future

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Final Review:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/product-review/286856-powermax-xt.html#post5854454

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Thanks for the review man, you always have good attention to detail in your logs (and delicious looking food of course). I'm also a fan of PeakO2, so I'll probably add some bulk powder to PowerMax XT some time, which should make for an awesome stack (plus the Gatorade powder I also drink intra-workout). Out of curiosity, were you using 2g of 4g PeakO2 per day?

 

[The Solution]

Thanks for the review man, you always have good attention to detail in your logs (and delicious looking food of course). I'm also a fan of PeakO2, so I'll probably add some bulk powder to PowerMax XT some time, which should make for an awesome stack (plus the Gatorade powder I also drink intra-workout). Out of curiosity, were you using 2g of 4g PeakO2 per day?

4g as per the studies. 1Fast400 has posted them numerous times, and has also claimed that is the optimal dosage, so I always go by what Mike has said even when he was with Scivation funding for this product and research.

Peak02 appears to be about total dose. We looked at 28g over 7 days, then same amount over 14 days and 28 days. Results were similar in the 14 day group, a little less in 28. It does not appear from a performance stand point there is benefit in mega dosing over 7 days (no idea what happens further) compared to a 4g dose. Me personally, I take a ton of it, but for immune benefits given all the travel I have. Most people, I'd suggest a min of 2, probably no more than 4 per day. One of my absolute favorite supplements. No sides, non gmo, gluten free, stim free, organic and provides REAL results. How often does that happen in this space?

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/286353-koltink-scivation-stack-4.html#post5655636

^^

 

[R1balla]

Great log as always!

 

[redman24]

that is the most insane downgrade of a great product i have seen. nobody in the world needs whey or aminos except for food and the 2 best ingredients were taken out. now it is not a performance supp at all anymore. money saved, more profit i suppose. sad...the previous one was actually something i thought was well done, eventhough creatine is the most studied yet useless compound ever and the only form that does anything is creatine-pyruvate and maybe orotate due to the orotic acid. i know the reps will attack me but the goal of development was to make it cheaper and not improve it. apparently companies have a limit for raws not exceeding 2 dollars per bottle. im always dumbfounded when i use 4-5 ingredients which are sold solo for more than the whole formula.

i want to see a company that uses 800mg testofen and doesnt pixiedust but adds 3 other ingredients that you rarely see in the dosages, especially never combined. and i wanna see a company using more than 50mg forskolin per day plus 3 other fully dosed ingredients. seriously i know the cost of raws and profit margins and there is no product on the market that has raws costing 10 dollars selling for 40 dollars or less. in fact the most expensive formulas are probably 5 dollars and sell for 60.

it is not about results or knowledge. it is a marketing industry and the supps get worse and worse over time. 10 years ago there were products with properly dosed ingredients. you could get 90 grams of arginocarn for 30 dollars or so. today you get 20g max. in a 30 serving formula with all underdosed ingredients for 100 dollars and thats one of the best products in the whole supplement industry.

i just find it interesting that lately any upgrades of any products have removed anything relating to performance. whey, aminos and glycerol are useless. electrolytes are always underdosed so badly they make no sense. neither any form of glutamine or any pump product, nitrosigine or citrulline is anything but useless. citrulline malate was good because malic acid improves performance.

today people pay for pumps and a promised increase in protein synthesis which will never happen via mtor. 2g of protein will yield 10g of muscle, thats 3,65kg a year. 2g of protein. now if you eat food, why would you take any kind of protein or amino acid supp? anabolism? catabolism? all temporary states that will be equalized in the end. the only people who benefit from protein shakes with carbs are bb on insulin.

i read so many good reviews everywhere but nobody really made any progress that comes close to what a perfect training regimen would do.
i read either things like 5 pound increase in bench press in 6 weeks....or 10 lbs muscle gain in 2 weeks. the first is a ****ing joke and the second comes from people who look like they brely lift.

my 50kg girlfriend was stronger after 4 months than most guys after years. 400!!!kg leg press (900 pounds i think), 15 chinups, 150lbs cable rows

i lost 20kg in 2 years, was basically starved, weighing 64kg (140lbs) at 6 feet. i gained 10kg back in 2 weeks. bf is in the single digits, max 8%. it was 5-6%max when i had to stop. its only higher now bc i have less muscle but really, if all these supps were getting better why is nobody having any actual results?
oh and if one gains 10lbs on the bench in ever log, and has logged 30 products, why is the weight and apperance still alwas the same as 10 years ago?

this is not directed at the OP but supp companies replacing stuff that had me increase strength more than many aas (and i was abnormally strong. pullups with 100 pounds added woud be my warmup set. on back i was stronger than basically any mr. olympia contender. or what would coleman have rowed lying on a bench without jerking his body upright? 420 pounds? i doubt it. he probably had to deadlift his rowing weight as he couldnt pull it off the floor.

and he was the strongest. ja cutler cannot row 400 pounds properly. no way he could lift it of the ground lying on a bench. so steroids are not the reason. too bad as i can get many supps very cheap and there were some good ones around. i actualy had some hypermax xt just about an hour ago. with cop and amento. this stuff here, why should i take it? to increase artificial sweetener intake? who came up with this completely pointless downgrade. oh wait, not pointless, the brilliant accountant.....

 

[redman24]

2% daily requirement for potassium. impressive guys. wwwooooooow.

this is an underdosed proteinshake with creatine. betaine or tmg whatever you wanna call it is decent, whoever believes in glutamine...yeah okay. and its study proven. creatine also does nothing but pull 2ml of water per g, 90 grams saturate storages so you gain 1.8kg of water. its actually intracellular. however, neither me or anyone i know who has moved signifcant weights for their bodyweight has ever gained a single rep from creatine undless bonded with orotic acid or better, pyruvic acid. creatine pyruvate at 6 grams does cause instant strength gains. i think i am going nuts from the sheer joke and customer exploitation these up****s, i mean ****ups are. and the guy logging it thinks that any of these ingredients woud work if he had them administered unknowingly? come on, even 350mg test/week only causes temporary water gains.

and other companies now use trdemarked extracts weighing a few mg, so they can make a product for a dollar and pretend its science. omfg...

 

[redman24]

you felt hydrated from 2% of your daily dose of potassium? im really sorry you believe this bull****.

 

[rascal14]

You just look pathetic at this point.

 

[redman24]

your cooking is far superior to any of these supps here and probably the reason you feel positive results.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

that is the most insane downgrade of a great product i have seen. nobody in the world needs whey or aminos except for food and the 2 best ingredients were taken out. now it is not a performance supp at all anymore. money saved, more profit i suppose. sad...the previous one was actually something i thought was well done, eventhough creatine is the most studied yet useless compound ever and the only form that does anything is creatine-pyruvate and maybe orotate due to the orotic acid. i know the reps will attack me but the goal of development was to make it cheaper and not improve it. apparently companies have a limit for raws not exceeding 2 dollars per bottle. im always dumbfounded when i use 4-5 ingredients which are sold solo for more than the whole formula.

i want to see a company that uses 800mg testofen and doesnt pixiedust but adds 3 other ingredients that you rarely see in the dosages, especially never combined. and i wanna see a company using more than 50mg forskolin per day plus 3 other fully dosed ingredients. seriously i know the cost of raws and profit margins and there is no product on the market that has raws costing 10 dollars selling for 40 dollars or less. in fact the most expensive formulas are probably 5 dollars and sell for 60.

it is not about results or knowledge. it is a marketing industry and the supps get worse and worse over time. 10 years ago there were products with properly dosed ingredients. you could get 90 grams of arginocarn for 30 dollars or so. today you get 20g max. in a 30 serving formula with all underdosed ingredients for 100 dollars and thats one of the best products in the whole supplement industry.

i just find it interesting that lately any upgrades of any products have removed anything relating to performance. whey, aminos and glycerol are useless. electrolytes are always underdosed so badly they make no sense. neither any form of glutamine or any pump product, nitrosigine or citrulline is anything but useless. citrulline malate was good because malic acid improves performance.

today people pay for pumps and a promised increase in protein synthesis which will never happen via mtor. 2g of protein will yield 10g of muscle, thats 3,65kg a year. 2g of protein. now if you eat food, why would you take any kind of protein or amino acid supp? anabolism? catabolism? all temporary states that will be equalized in the end. the only people who benefit from protein shakes with carbs are bb on insulin.

i read so many good reviews everywhere but nobody really made any progress that comes close to what a perfect training regimen would do.
i read either things like 5 pound increase in bench press in 6 weeks....or 10 lbs muscle gain in 2 weeks. the first is a ****ing joke and the second comes from people who look like they brely lift.

my 50kg girlfriend was stronger after 4 months than most guys after years. 400!!!kg leg press (900 pounds i think), 15 chinups, 150lbs cable rows

i lost 20kg in 2 years, was basically starved, weighing 64kg (140lbs) at 6 feet. i gained 10kg back in 2 weeks. bf is in the single digits, max 8%. it was 5-6%max when i had to stop. its only higher now bc i have less muscle but really, if all these supps were getting better why is nobody having any actual results?
oh and if one gains 10lbs on the bench in ever log, and has logged 30 products, why is the weight and apperance still alwas the same as 10 years ago?

this is not directed at the OP but supp companies replacing stuff that had me increase strength more than many aas (and i was abnormally strong. pullups with 100 pounds added woud be my warmup set. on back i was stronger than basically any mr. olympia contender. or what would coleman have rowed lying on a bench without jerking his body upright? 420 pounds? i doubt it. he probably had to deadlift his rowing weight as he couldnt pull it off the floor.

and he was the strongest. ja cutler cannot row 400 pounds properly. no way he could lift it of the ground lying on a bench. so steroids are not the reason. too bad as i can get many supps very cheap and there were some good ones around. i actualy had some hypermax xt just about an hour ago. with cop and amento. this stuff here, why should i take it? to increase artificial sweetener intake? who came up with this completely pointless downgrade. oh wait, not pointless, the brilliant accountant.....

Oh Redman, where to even begin here. How is creatine "useless?" No form of creatine besides creatine-pyruvate and/or orotate does anything? You contradict yourself here, as you even admitted that creatine is "the most studied" compound, and the overwhelming consensus is that creatine (monohydrate) does possess ergogenic effects, as well as potential congitive benefits for vegans/vegetarians, but that's a bit of a tangent.

Furthermore, you mentioned 50mg forskolin plus 3 other ingredients. Are you aware that AlphaMax XT has 30 days worth of 50mg forskolin (which is a studied dose, there is no "need" for more, and it could cause some stomach upset for people if you mega-dose it; 50mg is a solid dose) plus several other fully dosed ingredients, including 600mg of ashwagandha standardized for 5% withanolides, 300mg of tongkat ali standardized for 2% Eurycomanone, 300mg L-DOPA, boron citrate, etc, etc.

As for citrulline, its benefits do not come solely from malic acid (as in citrulline malate); there are studies showing benefits of l-citrulline, but I guess you get to pick and chose which studies count and which don't. As for glutamine, the combination of glutamine and alanine (or alanylglutamine) has been shown in multiple studies to have various benefits in regards to things like fatigue, making their inclusion justified in the context of an intra-workout product.

As for the "2g of protein," I don't even see the relevance of that. IntraMax uses 6g of WPH and an additional 3g of leucine, with the support being that studies have shown that low doses of whey protein with added leucine can stimulate mTOR to a similar degree as higher doses of whey protein; this is actually going to perform similar to 25g whey protein. Additionally, WPH has been demonstrated to have several other benefits, as have EAAs in the context of intra-workout. They pair especially well with carbs, which people can add to their intra-workout (I like adding Gatorade powder to IntraMax).

The following ingredients in IntraMax have human studies showing benefits at the doses included here:
-WPH + Leucine
-Creatine
-Betaine
-Glutamine + Alanine
-Taurine

How you can call a supplement with all of the above ingredients useless is beyond me, but, as we've already seen, you apparently don't put any value in multiple scientific studies, but only on your unverifiable anecdotes, so why even argue about it? I'd say it's like talking to the wall, but at least the wall doesn't say stupid sh** back to me.

If you think that any natural supplement is going to increase strength more than AAS, either you're not getting natural supplements, or you're not using real AAS. Either that or you're just making up complete nonsense. Also, I think I asked you about this a while back; you claim to be stronger than Ronnie Coleman? Let me see some video evidence. Furthermore, how much you lift has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. It just sounds like you want to brag about your "accomplishments" some more, which you have quite the habit of doing in all your threads. We get it, you're the biggest, strongest, smartest man alive, and we should all bow down to your superior physical prowess and intellect, for no one can hold a candle to you in terms of strength or formulation. Is that what you want to hear? Will you stop with this nonsense now that you've had your ego sufficiently stroked?

 

[redman24]

no, actually i am not made for bb or powerlifting and have crappy genetics.

but besides not knowing anyone who ever had results from creatine unless it was bonded with a compound which increased mitochondrial energy, you cannot tell me that after all, in 5 years, anyone will have more muscles or strength wether he took protein, amino acid supplements or anything like that.
the more developed people become, the longer they train, the less all that stuff matters. trust me, i used to use the best, most expensive 91% whey isolate, 0 carbs, 0 fat. added leucine, eaa intra, protein with the currently best available carb source post, 3g/kg protein per day. i could guess the amount of calories on a plate within a margin of probably 2%. i ate the same amount and ratios every day. bcaa megadosing, always the newest best product, only aminos made by ajinomoto etc.

it did NOTHING. i was lying to myself the whole time. any results where from me training like crazy, the money i spent on supplements...oh dear...
they are just inferior food.

what we have these days are partially not supplements anymore but basically pharmaceuticals without side effects. the equivalent of 1000kg (2200lbs.) of blueberries is not a supplement. and it did lower diastolic blood pressure in MY NEUROLOGIST from 90 to 75, despite 3 medications combined not getting it lower. and it came as purenergy so even had caffeine. that is beyond supplementation. but people still compare it to grape seed extract...

also forskolin becomes really anabolic at doses above 50mg. it expensive, i know, but 100mg forskolin is not twice as effecte as 50mg but countless times. 800mg testofen and 96mg forskolin had me gain 2kg (4.5 pounds) and lose 1kg of fat (2.2. pounds) in about 4 weeks. that is crazy as i used it for 8 weeks total and kept it. people train a full year for that much. real structural protein, not weight. even aas users after the initial gains can be more than happy with 3kg a year unless they do a period of 3g test, 2g, tren, 200mg anadrol, 100mg dbol, hgh, slin etc. but also that is temporary.

so unless one is on for life and accepts to not live longer than 50 at most then the most anabolic thing is training. and the previous hypermax xt does make a difference vs. none. but whey isolate and bcaas cant give me strenght gains or increase endurance. (i mean really increase endurance)

nobody pays attention to mitochondria. fumaric acid, orotic acid, pyruvic acid, ubiquinol, shilajit lead to instant "shocking" results. a 10 rep set becomes a warm up set like cardio. pterostilbene basically reverses aging (not to mention being a selective zytostatic and zytotoxic and many forms of cancer and preventing countless modern diseases), its not felt as instantly but the longer you take it the more energy you will have, look younger, feel better in all ways, if you start taking it at 20 i swear you will look 30 when you are 50. im in my thirties and dont have one wrinkle. actually i was bald on top and had some grey hair. my hair grew back and the grey is gone. im dont look older than i did 5 years ago. if i acted like a teenager people would believe me being 25.

so i cannot argue when someone cannot see that its self-evident that nutrition is superior for macronutrients than supplementation.
i thought performax made some very decent products (i dont say that often) but i dont understand the current trend towards pump, mtor (that story is decades old, how many luecine derivatives do i need to add to my protein shake?)

people are afraid of ampk now as they think they could lose muscle when they weigh 170 pounds with 14 inch arms and 20% bf. what they need is to fix their insulin resistance and eat, eat, eat food full of micronutrients. protein is taken in excess, especially by bodybuilder on aas, as they are anticatabolic, meaning they reduce protein requirement...

i could not train for 2 years and went off aas cold. i barely ate and was near starved just over 2 weeks ago at 64kg and 6 feet. (145 pounds). i could use about 20-25% of the weight i used to. i have gained 22 pounds without fat, am at 70% of my previous weight from 2 years back and i havent had a single amino acid, protein shake or paid attention to the amounts, only to eat cheese, eggs, nuts (vegetarian) but i eat a lot of carbs and fat but have tons of antioxidants, vitamins and minerals every day. i would say its a healthy normal diet. i never felt a difference, only that less carbs will decrease performance and also shape and fatburning if echanged for more protein. (as i know how to prevent them going into fat cells)

what more can i say?

 

[redman24]

the egos are the ones who give me hatred. i dont have an ego. lots of people ask my advice and help, sometimes very serious stuff and if i could help them and they offer me something i cannot accept it. its wrong. i dont help people for gifts but because its what one should do. regardless of wether they like me or have insulted me before. nobody should suffer if they can be helped. i probably won't ever get anything back but thats not important. i smile when someone tells me they feel better or that their life is worth living again.

unless you are satan or a child molestor or rapist i would not tell you to **** off if you asked me for help, be it a few bucks for a meal or whatever i can do. of course sometimes i can only suggest people to seek help elsewhere.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

the egos are the ones who give me hatred. i dont have an ego. lots of people ask my advice and help, sometimes very serious stuff and if i could help them and they offer me something i cannot accept it. its wrong. i dont help people for gifts but because its what one should do. regardless of wether they like me or have insulted me before. nobody should suffer if they can be helped. i probably won't ever get anything back but thats not important. i smile when someone tells me they feel better or that their life is worth living again.

unless you are satan or a child molestor or rapist i would not tell you to **** off if you asked me for help, be it a few bucks for a meal or whatever i can do. of course sometimes i can only suggest people to seek help elsewhere.

You don't have an ego? You incessantly bring up how strong you are, stronger than IFBB pros, even though it has no relevance to the discussion.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

no, actually i am not made for bb or powerlifting and have crappy genetics.

but besides not knowing anyone who ever had results from creatine unless it was bonded with a compound which increased mitochondrial energy, you cannot tell me that after all, in 5 years, anyone will have more muscles or strength wether he took protein, amino acid supplements or anything like that.
the more developed people become, the longer they train, the less all that stuff matters. trust me, i used to use the best, most expensive 91% whey isolate, 0 carbs, 0 fat. added leucine, eaa intra, protein with the currently best available carb source post, 3g/kg protein per day. i could guess the amount of calories on a plate within a margin of probably 2%. i ate the same amount and ratios every day. bcaa megadosing, always the newest best product, only aminos made by ajinomoto etc.

it did NOTHING. i was lying to myself the whole time. any results where from me training like crazy, the money i spent on supplements...oh dear...
they are just inferior food.

what we have these days are partially not supplements anymore but basically pharmaceuticals without side effects. the equivalent of 1000kg (2200lbs.) of blueberries is not a supplement. and it did lower diastolic blood pressure in MY NEUROLOGIST from 90 to 75, despite 3 medications combined not getting it lower. and it came as purenergy so even had caffeine. that is beyond supplementation. but people still compare it to grape seed extract...

also forskolin becomes really anabolic at doses above 50mg. it expensive, i know, but 100mg forskolin is not twice as effecte as 50mg but countless times. 800mg testofen and 96mg forskolin had me gain 2kg (4.5 pounds) and lose 1kg of fat (2.2. pounds) in about 4 weeks. that is crazy as i used it for 8 weeks total and kept it. people train a full year for that much. real structural protein, not weight. even aas users after the initial gains can be more than happy with 3kg a year unless they do a period of 3g test, 2g, tren, 200mg anadrol, 100mg dbol, hgh, slin etc. but also that is temporary.

so unless one is on for life and accepts to not live longer than 50 at most then the most anabolic thing is training. and the previous hypermax xt does make a difference vs. none. but whey isolate and bcaas cant give me strenght gains or increase endurance. (i mean really increase endurance)

nobody pays attention to mitochondria. fumaric acid, orotic acid, pyruvic acid, ubiquinol, shilajit lead to instant "shocking" results. a 10 rep set becomes a warm up set like cardio. pterostilbene basically reverses aging (not to mention being a selective zytostatic and zytotoxic and many forms of cancer and preventing countless modern diseases), its not felt as instantly but the longer you take it the more energy you will have, look younger, feel better in all ways, if you start taking it at 20 i swear you will look 30 when you are 50. im in my thirties and dont have one wrinkle. actually i was bald on top and had some grey hair. my hair grew back and the grey is gone. im dont look older than i did 5 years ago. if i acted like a teenager people would believe me being 25.

so i cannot argue when someone cannot see that its self-evident that nutrition is superior for macronutrients than supplementation.
i thought performax made some very decent products (i dont say that often) but i dont understand the current trend towards pump, mtor (that story is decades old, how many luecine derivatives do i need to add to my protein shake?)

people are afraid of ampk now as they think they could lose muscle when they weigh 170 pounds with 14 inch arms and 20% bf. what they need is to fix their insulin resistance and eat, eat, eat food full of micronutrients. protein is taken in excess, especially by bodybuilder on aas, as they are anticatabolic, meaning they reduce protein requirement...

i could not train for 2 years and went off aas cold. i barely ate and was near starved just over 2 weeks ago at 64kg and 6 feet. (145 pounds). i could use about 20-25% of the weight i used to. i have gained 22 pounds without fat, am at 70% of my previous weight from 2 years back and i havent had a single amino acid, protein shake or paid attention to the amounts, only to eat cheese, eggs, nuts (vegetarian) but i eat a lot of carbs and fat but have tons of antioxidants, vitamins and minerals every day. i would say its a healthy normal diet. i never felt a difference, only that less carbs will decrease performance and also shape and fatburning if echanged for more protein. (as i know how to prevent them going into fat cells)

what more can i say?

My friend, I can direct you towards dozens, perhaps hundreds, of studies showing that creatine monohydrate has ergogenic effects, and can increase lean body mass and strength. Surely you know that there are other MoAs than the mitochondria, no? Surely you can admit that other pathways exist that can yield benefits? If you think something else works better, then by all means use it, but to say that creatine monohydrate doesn't work, based on you n=1, or n=2, or n=15 unverifiable anecdotes is an egregious affront to science, research, and common sense. Do the plethora of double-blind, placebo-controlled studies, and the meta-analyses mean nothing to you?

Listen, I respect that you have different views and formulation philosophy than I do, and we have had decent debate about carnitine, where we listened to each other and responded in turn. I can not say that what you do doesn't work for you, or that you don't prefer it to Performax, or OL, or SNS, or whoever. All I am saying is that it's factually incorrect to say that a product like IntraMax, with a full dose of creatine, betaine, glutamine+alanine, taurine, and WPH+leucine, among other ingredients is useless or doesn't work. The plethora of studies on the ingredients indeed show that it can increase strength and lean body mass. I'm not saying that what you do/use doesn't work better for you and your buddies, only that you not go around drawing false, or at least incomplete, conclusions and masquerading them as unalterable facts. Can we agree on that my friend? Can we agree that there is more than one way to skin a cat; more than one way to formulate and effective supplement?