Pec tear scar tissue breakup?

[Sage0607]

A little over 3 months ago I had a what I believe to be a grade 2 pec tear. green bruising over the whole pec for several weeks and pretty decent pain when moving it around. During those three months I did really light lifting and stretching for it. Which leads me to my main question is it normal for there to still be residual minor pain in the area that the tear happened even after healing? And my second question is can lifting break up the scar tissue and can scar tissue cause minor bruising as well? Every time I do any sort of bench press even though I have no pain during the bench press itself I get really minor bruising it's so faint you have to focus to even see that it's there. Basically just wondering if this is normal or anyone else has gone through similar stuff like this after a tear.
Cheers

 

[Smont]

I'm not a dr. Obviously and I also didn't stay at a motel 6 last night so I'm pretty much useless here, but from my understanding, there shouldn't be residual pain as after a muscle tear heals and theres likely a more serious or issue unfortunately

 

[Sage0607]

I'm not a dr. Obviously and I also didn't stay at a motel 6 last night so I'm pretty much useless here, but from my understanding, there shouldn't be residual pain as after a muscle tear heals and theres likely a more serious or issue unfortunately

Yea hopefully more people can chime in as I've never dealt with any sort of injury like this before. I have snooped around and heard a few guys say the scar tissue can hurt for a while but not sure how accurate that information is or not. The crazy thing is it feels fuckin totally find like a day or two after benching that's why I'm so confused.

 

[Smont]

I get **** that hurts on Tuesday that feels great on Thursday, needs surgery on Saturday and feels good again on Monday. I'm riddled with old injuries that hurt on and off. The body is weird.


Something to note, your kinda wasting your time here unless your just looking for someone to tell you they "think" is this or that. Ultimately you need a medical professional to feel around and you also probably need a MRI or CT Scan if you actually want a answer and solution.

The dr. And the MRI will most likely be covered by insurance if you have insurance. a CT scan not necessarily covered

 

[Hyde]

Check out Dr. Seth Albersworth on YouTube; he is coming back from his own pec tear and talked about it a lot on his channel. He is an elite raw, wrapped, and multiply powerlifter who is also a Chiro & powerlifting coach.

He also is very well known for helping many lifters plan/execute rehabs after powerlifting-related injuries. You won’t be able to afford his coaching, but you will be able to book a consultation call easily and affordably with him via his website. He’s a really good dude & even helped a buddy of mine for free after his shoulder surgery.

If you want someone who has suffered and returned from lots of injuries to elite world level performance, who also has a medical background, he is your man.

 

[Hyde]

When scar tissue breaks loose in training it’s scary as hell and you think it’s tearing again btw. It can tear it some too; I had scar tissue break free in my bicep from when it was reattached, way later, and it took a chunk out of the top of my bicep. There’s just a divot there now.

You want to break it up with mashing/ART/graston type work. Like with a lacrosse ball, or a butter knife handle scraping, or a Kabuki boomstick.

 

[Smont]

When scar tissue breaks loose in training it’s scary as hell and you think it’s tearing again btw. It can tear it some too; I had scar tissue break free in my bicep from when it was reattached, way later, and it took a chunk out of the top of my bicep. There’s just a divot there now.

You want to break it up with mashing/ART/graston type work. Like with a lacrosse ball, or a butter knife handle scraping, or a Kabuki boomstick.

I've felt scar tissue in my right glute do some weird shyt here and there lol

 

[Sage0607]

Check out Dr. Seth Albersworth on YouTube; he is coming back from his own pec tear and talked about it a lot on his channel. He is an elite raw, wrapped, and multiply powerlifter who is also a Chiro & powerlifting coach.

He also is very well known for helping many lifters plan/execute rehabs after powerlifting-related injuries. You won’t be able to afford his coaching, but you will be able to book a consultation call easily and affordably with him via his website. He’s a really good dude & even helped a buddy of mine for free after his shoulder surgery.

If you want someone who has suffered and returned from lots of injuries to elite world level performance, who also has a medical background, he is your man.

Thank you! Will check it out

 

[Sage0607]

When scar tissue breaks loose in training it’s scary as hell and you think it’s tearing again btw. It can tear it some too; I had scar tissue break free in my bicep from when it was reattached, way later, and it took a chunk out of the top of my bicep. There’s just a divot there now.

You want to break it up with mashing/ART/graston type work. Like with a lacrosse ball, or a butter knife handle scraping, or a Kabuki boomstick.

I thought that the scraping was proven to be useless no?

 

[Hyde]

I thought that the scraping was proven to be useless no?

Hell no; whoever told you that must not have firsthand experience. Simplest way I can put it is even just hard training without injury can cause adhesions, and if you don’t get those released/worked out over time they will create extra points of stress where things become more likely to fail.

You can literally feel the grit in an area once you know what it feels like, and when it’s being worked out it will “hurt so good”. Once it’s gone, it won’t hurt that way applying the same pressure to the area. This normally shouldn’t cause bruising, unless you overdo it, so if you are getting bruised from training you are overdoing it still for what the tissue is prepared to handle at its weakest areas.

 

[Beau]

I taught pitching for 14 years. Bone adhesion will occur each time you throw baseball. Those are easy enough to tear down with stretching/arm movement exercises.

But, I tore a muscle on my non-throwing arm several years ago. It hurt to the point that I would wake up in the middle of the night with searing pain, just from rolling over. Lasted at least six months. Bone adhesion.

My chiropractor, a long term friend and someone well respected in the industry, offered to do "bloodless" surgery, yes - muscle to bone adhesion stretching. He said it would hurt. He was right.

After that, it NEVER hurt again.

Yes, muscles will adhere to bone during the healing process. It is unpleasant.

 

[Sage0607]

When scar tissue breaks loose in training it’s scary as hell and you think it’s tearing again btw. It can tear it some too; I had scar tissue break free in my bicep from when it was reattached, way later, and it took a chunk out of the top of my bicep. There’s just a divot there now.

You want to break it up with mashing/ART/graston type work. Like with a lacrosse ball, or a butter knife handle scraping, or a Kabuki boomstick.

Reached out to that guy and he has been super helpful! Watched a few of his videos talking about pec tears and previous pec tears he has had and mine sounds a lot like his one from 5 years ago he talked about the very faint bruising he would get during the healing process from training. So it sounds like I am actually on the right track which is great.

 

[Smont]

I taught pitching for 14 years. Bone adhesion will occur each time you throw baseball. Those are easy enough to tear down with stretching/arm movement exercises.

But, I tore a muscle on my non-throwing arm several years ago. It hurt to the point that I would wake up in the middle of the night with searing pain, just from rolling over. Lasted at least six months. Bone adhesion.

My chiropractor, a long term friend and someone well respected in the industry, offered to do "bloodless" surgery, yes - muscle to bone adhesion stretching. He said it would hurt. He was right.

After that, it NEVER hurt again.

Yes, muscles will adhere to bone during the healing process. It is unpleasant.

I squirmed and twitched the entire time I read this. Ouch

 

[Hyde]

Reached out to that guy and he has been super helpful! Watched a few of his videos talking about pec tears and previous pec tears he has had and mine sounds a lot like his one from 5 years ago he talked about the very faint bruising he would get during the healing process from training. So it sounds like I am actually on the right track which is great.

Very happy to hear that. By all accounts, Seth is a great dude. He wants to help people come back from injuries and make huge totals.

 

[JKVol]

Hell no; whoever told you that must not have firsthand experience. Simplest way I can put it is even just hard training without injury can cause adhesions, and if you don’t get those released/worked out over time they will create extra points of stress where things become more likely to fail.

You can literally feel the grit in an area once you know what it feels like, and when it’s being worked out it will “hurt so good”. Once it’s gone, it won’t hurt that way applying the same pressure to the area. This normally shouldn’t cause bruising, unless you overdo it, so if you are getting bruised from training you are overdoing it still for what the tissue is prepared to handle at its weakest areas.

I understand the feeling you are talking about, especially when the PT first starts scraping. I have my caves cleaned up EOY which includes scraping, PT and dry needling. The only way I can describe the scraping feeling is it kinda feels like you are dragging something (a broom stick) across concrete, obviously on a smaller level. It feels terrible at first, like fingernails down a chalkboard but after several trips you can feel the “sandpaper” start to smooth out. Behind my knees to around 1/2 way down my calves are the worst. Would be nice if there was a product you can apply to the area before and after PT that helps soften the area for improved recovery. My calves stay sore to the touch for weeks after day 1.