PCT Supplementation after 12 week Test E run

[Kano5]

Hey guys, what's up? I'm new to the forum and I wanted to introduce myself and familiarize everyone with my situation and ask for a little advice on my PCT after a 12 week Test E only run. I feel I have spent a good amount of time doing research, but nevertheless, I've decided that my PCT and the way I handle my diet and supplementation between now and my next run this summer is probably twice as important as the planning of the run itself. Anyway, I am 6'2, 207 with about 13% BF, and I was 194 with slightly higher BF before the cycle. I have a very small frame, so even at 190 with low BF, I look pretty big, at least a lot bigger than I actually am. I am fairly pleased with this cycle, I decided to go into it with no expectations, I have run oral only Dbol, and Dbol/Anadrol cycles before, which, as you can probably imagine resulted in huge short term gains, maybe kept 20% of that (if that) and that's what you get with simple "magic pill" psychology with minimal planning involved. I noticed a difference in my strength and a small weight gain around week 5, and had some sides, oily skin, increased workout energy, and felt like I had a surgically implanted time released Viagra pump. Really noticed a change around week 8 and had three very productive weeks, and my last pin is coming up on Monday. Here is a breakdown of what I ran and how I plan to implement PCT. Protein I plan to keep at 350-400g, three 50g protein/80g carb drinks, four meals. I consume three whole wheat bagels every day, and eat oatmeal and preferably cooked, but sometimes canned yams,a lot of my protein comes from roast beef (high quality cut) and tuna fish (I eat too much canned tuna, I'll either wind up with mercury poisoning or a f***ing dorsal fin if it continues). I take the following vitamins and supplements. .
Creatine mix with 8g/day, omega 3's 1000 three times a day, Vit D, Vit B 1, Folic Acid, Vit B 6 and 6g of BCAAS

Here is what I ran and my proposed PCT. . .
Weeks 1-12 Test E 250mg 2x per week Mon/Thurs
Arimidex .5 EOD, decided after careful consideration to skip HcG, but I will be running it this summer
Weeks 13,14 DAA (beginning the first day after the last pin)
Weeks 15-18 Clomid (100, 100, 75, 50,50,50,50 Week 15, then 50/25/25 Weeks 16,17,18)
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Reduce XT (start Week 3)
HcGenerate and Phytoserms 347 throughout PCT
My main area of concern is how long I should run the HcGenerate and Phytoserms, whether to include/possibly substitute at some point SrS
X gels, and whether to stop the DAA as soon as PCT starts. For my workout regimen, I plan to stay with heavy weights, especially on Presses, Deads and Squats, I'm thinking 5x5 and stay with a four day a week setup Legs (squats, leg lifts, stiff legged deadlifts) Chest/Tr (bench, close bench, dumbell presses, reg and incline, flys, dips) Back (wide grip pull-ups, mid, then narrow, bent rows, deadlifts) Shoulders/Traps (seated press, dumbell press, lat raise, rear delt laterals, shrugs) Calves 2x per week, Abs 2x per week. I plan on starting my next run at the end of May, so until then I plan on staying with creatine, maybe adding some more BCAAs, some vitamins, and maybe either stay with the same test booster combo, or x gels, but I was looking for some suggestions nailing down amounts and putting together something a little more concrete than what I have. Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated, Thanks.

 

[warbird01]

I would run DAA throughout the PCT.

Serms are WAYYYY too high. If you are going to dose both (which I always do), half dose one.

So:
Nolva
20/20/10/10/10/10
Clomid
25/25/25/25
Reduce xt looks good
Can't comment on HcGenerate and phytoserm cause i've never used them.
X gels are great for pct. besides a SERM, it is my favorite thinng to run in PCT. Keeps you feeling full which is great psychologically.

 

[ion26]

Kept 20% of your gains on multiple oral cycles? You ran 12 weeks of test and you're still at 207 @6'2 and 13% BF.... Wow...what a ****ing waste...

 

[Kano5]

Kept 20% of your gains on multiple oral cycles? You ran 12 weeks of test and you're still at 207 @6'2 and 13% BF.... Wow...what a ****ing waste...

Yeah, and by the way, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but there is also such a thing as strength. I was definitely not in the best of shape when I started this run, and after eleven weeks I have lost body fat and gained about thirteen pounds. The poundages of every single foundation exercise in my routine have gone up 40-50 lbs., and my cardiovascular health is drastically improved. I used to box, so for me, my strength and conditioning as well as speed and quickness is far more important than the number I see when I step on the scale. If I was 250 stiff, slow and tired after a minute, that would be unacceptable to me, I don't care about my weight. As far as the oral cycles I have run in past years, if you do an all oral cycle without proper attention to diet or PCT, and put little effort into training, I think you will find that most people lose most of their gains quickly on 17 aa alkylated orals,
Especially Anadrol. That was the point of why I mentioned that this was basically my first thought out, well planned run, when I used orals, in the late nineties, nobody I ever spoke to said anything about PCT, I used them because I was a boxer and got a serious work related injury that kept me out of the gym. I had to stop because I couldn't make weight, as I was holding too much water, and I never competed while on a cycle of any kind, so it didn't really matter much anyway.

 

[Kano5]

I would run DAA throughout the PCT.

Serms are WAYYYY too high. If you are going to dose both (which I always do), half dose one.

So:
Nolva
20/20/10/10/10/10
Clomid
25/25/25/25
Reduce xt looks good
Can't comment on HcGenerate and phytoserm cause i've never used them.
X gels are great for pct. besides a SERM, it is my favorite thinng to run in PCT. Keeps you feeling full which is great psychologically.

Thanks. I appreciate the feedback, I guess people only take 50 of Clomid, then when it is by itself. I'll definitely go with the Reduce XT and based on what I'm hearing about X gels, I will consider running them with DAA throughout PCT.

 

[GeekPoop]

I would run DAA throughout the PCT.

Serms are WAYYYY too high. If you are going to dose both (which I always do), half dose one.

So:
Nolva
20/20/10/10/10/10
Clomid
25/25/25/25
Reduce xt looks good
Can't comment on HcGenerate and phytoserm cause i've never used them.
X gels are great for pct. besides a SERM, it is my favorite thinng to run in PCT. Keeps you feeling full which is great psychologically.

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Thanks. I appreciate the feedback, I guess people only take 50 of Clomid, then when it is by itself. I'll definitely go with the Reduce XT and based on what I'm hearing about X gels, I will consider running them with DAA throughout PCT.

Nawh he was just talking about the doses of 100/75 and such. Never a need for that much. I personally use clomid 50/25/25/25, and it's fine. 100mgs and such you start getting all these "horrible side effects" that everyone talks about. Wonder why haha!

Glad to hear bout the reduce and x gels!

are you running an oral at all anytime during this? Doesn't look like it, but I skimmed your post. If so, why not??

 

[Kano5]

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Nawh he was just talking about the doses of 100/75 and such. Never a need for that much. I personally use clomid 50/25/25/25, and it's fine. 100mgs and such you start getting all these "horrible side effects" that everyone talks about. Wonder why haha!

Glad to hear bout the reduce and x gels!

are you running an oral at all anytime during this? Doesn't look like it, but I skimmed your post. If so, why not??

Thanks for clarifying the situation regarding the Clomid dose and the other supplements. As far as the situation regarding the oral, that is a little bit more complicated. I am actually just getting back to hardcore training after years of doing practically nothing, during which I should add, I was doing some very heavy drinking. For awhile I was basically going out every night getting trashed and I have started to have concerns about my liver. While I have stopped drinking and smoking and turned my attention toward getting my
training and diet back on track full cycle, I am wary of the 17 aa alkylated orals like dbol and anadrol, which are undoubtedly effective in the short run, but can be hard on the liver. I also figured that since this was my first real carefully planned run that I'd just try the test e 500 for twelve weeks, seeing that a lot if people seemed to recommend just running one compound for the first run. Maybe I should have kick started with 40 mg of dbol for weeks 1-4 or gone with so something like Anavar, which Is supposed to be relatively easy on the liver. For my next cycle, which I plan to start at the end of May, I am tentatively thinking of running Deca, Test E and dbol (maybe Anavar if cost after all the PCT stuff and HcG is not an issue) but that's still months away, so I guess I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. You're right though, I think another oral might have helped with this Test only cycle, I definitely will include one next time, and I appreciate the feedback.

 

[GeekPoop]

Thanks for clarifying the situation regarding the Clomid dose and the other supplements. As far as the situation regarding the oral, that is a little bit more complicated. I am actually just getting back to hardcore training after years of doing practically nothing, during which I should add, I was doing some very heavy drinking. For awhile I was basically going out every night getting trashed and I have started to have concerns about my liver. While I have stopped drinking and smoking and turned my attention toward getting my
training and diet back on track full cycle, I am wary of the 17 aa alkylated orals like dbol and anadrol, which are undoubtedly effective in the short run, but can be hard on the liver. I also figured that since this was my first real carefully planned run that I'd just try the test e 500 for twelve weeks, seeing that a lot if people seemed to recommend just running one compound for the first run. Maybe I should have kick started with 40 mg of dbol for weeks 1-4 or gone with so something like Anavar, which Is supposed to be relatively easy on the liver. For my next cycle, which I plan to start at the end of May, I am tentatively thinking of running Deca, Test E and dbol (maybe Anavar if cost after all the PCT stuff and HcG is not an issue) but that's still months away, so I guess I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. You're right though, I think another oral might have helped with this Test only cycle, I definitely will include one next time, and I appreciate the feedback.

ok cool cool! I figured there was some reason for it because you can get everything!

How bout using test prop for the first 1-4 possibly 6 weeks next time?? Won't pack as big as a punch, but you'll be feeling stuff pretty dang fast. I figured just throw out some suggestions / idea for you that aren't commonly talked about due to your concerns

 

[Kano5]

ok cool cool! I figured there was some reason for it because you can get everything!

How bout using test prop for the first 1-4 possibly 6 weeks next time?? Won't pack as big as a punch, but you'll be feeling stuff pretty dang fast. I figured just throw out some suggestions / idea for you that aren't commonly talked about due to your concerns

I actually was considering running tren ace (60 mg a day) along with test e for about 10 weeks and frontloading with Test prop at around 100 EOD, but the general consensus on tren seems to be that it is a very powerful compound and you should wait until u gave a few cycles under your belt, that's why I was thinking maybe of going with Deca 600/week, Test E 400/week and then maybe dbol at 50 mg, or Anavar at 60-80mg. The reason was that I wasn't sure about running test prop and test e with the Deca, because I was under the impression that it's good to keep Deca higher than the test in order to avoid "floppy poppy" noodle dick syndrome (lol), but I will definitely consider starting out with Test prop considering that I'm sure it easier on the liver than dbol. I don't know what dosages I would use, but I guess I have time to figure that out. I think I have definitively decided against a Trenbolone run so soon, maybe next year (I'm from a city that has the Phillies as a baseball team so I am pretty used to "maybe next year". . .waiting for the big run shouldn't be too hard) but I will start to look into Test prop. Again, thanks very much for the advice.