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PCT For Super DMZ 2.0

KamikazeKiid

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Looking to run a cycle of Methylstenbalone and Dymethazine and Androtest (as a test base) for 4 weeks. I have Tudca, liver care+, heart care+, taurine, among other vitamins for general health all on hand. For PCT I have Nolvadex, Clomid, exemestane and caber all on hand. I will start the Tudca, liver care etc. 2 weeks before the cycle and continue for 2 weeks after PCT. I have read a bunch of logs and scanned other similar cycles but I'm looking for a few experts to chime in and help me out.

What I'm looking for: Best pct set up with what I have or if you think I should pick something else up please let me know.

I am 24, 5'10.5, roughly 190lbs and 11.5%bf.

If I've made myself look dumb somewhere please point me in the right direction, I'm here to learn as much as possible.
 
You definitely don't look dumb. I can tell you did your research which is great.

Only thing I would add is Reduce XT (cortisol control) for PCT and maybe a test booster (M Test or Alpha Max).

Start Reduce XT during week 3 of PCT when cortisol levels start to rise.
 
warbird01 said:
You definitely don't look dumb. I can tell you did your research which is great.

Only thing I would add is Reduce XT (cortisol control) for PCT and maybe a test booster (M Test or Alpha Max).

Start Reduce XT during week 3 of PCT when cortisol levels start to rise.
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Awesome I'll pick those up for sure then. What dosages would you recommend for my SERMs/AI?
 
KamikazeKiid said:
Looking to run a cycle of Methylstenbalone and Dymethazine and Androtest (as a test base) for 4 weeks. I have Tudca, liver care+, heart care+, taurine, among other vitamins for general health all on hand. For PCT I have Nolvadex, Clomid, exemestane and caber all on hand. I will start the Tudca, liver care etc. 2 weeks before the cycle and continue for 2 weeks after PCT. I have read a bunch of logs and scanned other similar cycles but I'm looking for a few experts to chime in and help me out.

What I'm looking for: Best pct set up with what I have or if you think I should pick something else up please let me know.

I am 24, 5'10.5, roughly 190lbs and 11.5%bf.

If I've made myself look dumb somewhere please point me in the right direction, I'm here to learn as much as possible.
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Solid post, and the cycle looks to be nice and complete. For PCT:

Nolva: 20/20/10/10
Clomid: 50/50/25/25
(if this is your first cycle, I suggest only choosing one of these SERMs as that way you will know how they effect you in terms of sides, etc. My recommendation is clomid since you're running dry compounds)

caber - should not be necessary as neither compound you're running has prolactin sides
exemestane - may not be needed either as neither compound aromatizes. That said, a small dose can help boost T:E ratio which may (seems unproven) help recovery. At the most, run a small dose and taper it down to almost nothing, running it a week or two past your SERM.

I also suggest running the tudca at a lower dose in pct (250-500mg/day) as coming off sten can still be tough on the liver and serms can have some negative impact as well).

For other additions, as mentioned, SNS Reduce XT is a must (at least for me) to control cortisol spikes during pct. I usually start it in week 2 of pct and run it out past my serm (standard 3cap/day split dosing, not dosing immediately pre workout).

As well, I like to add in whatever natural test boosters or anabolics I can afford. My thinking is that for all the $ and stress I put my body through on cycle, I want to ensure I keep as close to 100% of those gains as possible. I usually add CEL M-test, SNS Xgels, and something to compliment the xgels like PES Anabeta elite or CEL Epi-plex. These natural compounds help not only to continue holding and making gains, but also they help in the mental aspects as they can keep that "alpha" feeling as well as pumps and overall mood very high at a time (PCT) when you normally are just dragging ass.
 
warbird01 said:
You definitely don't look dumb. I can tell you did your research which is great.

Only thing I would add is Reduce XT (cortisol control) for PCT and maybe a test booster (M Test or Alpha Max).

Start Reduce XT during week 3 of PCT when cortisol levels start to rise.
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Agreed. I really like adding in reduce xt to my pct regimen. It's an awesome product and great addition.
 
booneman77 said:
Solid post, and the cycle looks to be nice and complete. For PCT:

Nolva: 20/20/10/10
Clomid: 50/50/25/25
(if this is your first cycle, I suggest only choosing one of these SERMs as that way you will know how they effect you in terms of sides, etc. My recommendation is clomid since you're running dry compounds)

caber - should not be necessary as neither compound you're running has prolactin sides
exemestane - may not be needed either as neither compound aromatizes. That said, a small dose can help boost T:E ratio which may (seems unproven) help recovery. At the most, run a small dose and taper it down to almost nothing, running it a week or two past your SERM.

I also suggest running the tudca at a lower dose in pct (250-500mg/day) as coming off sten can still be tough on the liver and serms can have some negative impact as well).

For other additions, as mentioned, SNS Reduce XT is a must (at least for me) to control cortisol spikes during pct. I usually start it in week 2 of pct and run it out past my serm (standard 3cap/day split dosing, not dosing immediately pre workout).

As well, I like to add in whatever natural test boosters or anabolics I can afford. My thinking is that for all the $ and stress I put my body through on cycle, I want to ensure I keep as close to 100% of those gains as possible. I usually add CEL M-test, SNS Xgels, and something to compliment the xgels like PES Anabeta elite or CEL Epi-plex. These natural compounds help not only to continue holding and making gains, but also they help in the mental aspects as they can keep that "alpha" feeling as well as pumps and overall mood very high at a time (PCT) when you normally are just dragging ass.
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Awesome thanks for the detailed response! I'll have to do some research on all the things you listed and place an order. For the exemestane would you say 12.5mg e3d would be good to start 2 weeks in PCT and end 2 weeks after PCT? For the taper would you recommend lowering dosage or just spreading out the days I take it?
 
KamikazeKiid said:
Awesome thanks for the detailed response! I'll have to do some research on all the things you listed and place an order. For the exemestane would you say 12.5mg e3d would be good to start 2 weeks in PCT and end 2 weeks after PCT? For the taper would you recommend lowering dosage or just spreading out the days I take it?
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I would start the AI at the start of pct (no later than week 2 for sure). instead of a higher dosage less often, you should try to dose lower, but more frequently. The half life is only ~24hrs long so after that it's not doing anything anymore. i would not go less often than EOD.
 
Sounds good! Would you still recommend running it 2 weeks past pct at a lower dose to prevent rebound? Just to be safe. Also I forgot to mention this is my second run of SDMZ but last time was when it was still easy to get your hands on and I was overseas and didn't understand the importance of taking care of your body. Luckily I had no negative effects from it and actually had good maintainable gains, but this time around I know more and want to be as safe as possible!
 
KamikazeKiid said:
Sounds good! Would you still recommend running it 2 weeks past pct at a lower dose to prevent rebound? Just to be safe. Also I forgot to mention this is my second run of SDMZ but last time was when it was still easy to get your hands on and I was overseas and didn't understand the importance of taking care of your body. Luckily I had no negative effects from it and actually had good maintainable gains, but this time around I know more and want to be as safe as possible!
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stane is suicidal, so you should not have any rebound issues but can still run it a week past the serms. No more than that though or you'll just be hurting natrual e levels which is bad as well.
 
So I've checkedour everything you mentioned. Did you prefer the anabeta or the epi-plex to go along with the aracodonic acid? I have no experience with aracodonic acid or epicetchen and the other is a proprietary blend.
 
KamikazeKiid said:
So I've checkedour everything you mentioned. Did you prefer the anabeta or the epi-plex to go along with the aracodonic acid? I have no experience with aracodonic acid or epicetchen and the other is a proprietary blend.
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they're totally different... epicatechin is endurance and recomp focused, while ABE is designed more for recomp/bulking. I personally like ABE becuase of its synergy with ArA due to the forskolin, but many prefer the endurance effects from epi supps.
 
Seriously thank you for all the solid info. This is the stuff I was really hoping for before jumping into this cycle. I want to gain and keep as much as possible on this bulking cycle and you've been a huge help.
 
KamikazeKiid said:
Seriously thank you for all the solid info. This is the stuff I was really hoping for before jumping into this cycle. I want to gain and keep as much as possible on this bulking cycle and you've been a huge help.
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sure thing, man. enjoy the cycle and feel free to reach out anytime.
 
comandotech said:
Friend please can you tell me if Nova X, Novadex xt is a good option for increased testosterone and libido. or other test booster. I am 33 years old and would like a boost. Thank you
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CEL m-test. One of these priced and doses on the market
 
M test for sure and I’m experiencing a nice libido boost from PCT Assist by CEL as well
 
Good luck with your cycle! Nice to see someone do their research before jumping on cycle!
 
comandotech said:
Friend please can you tell me if Nova X, Novadex xt is a good option for increased testosterone and libido. or other test booster. I am 33 years old and would like a boost. Thank you
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