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Pantera's vulgar display of power!!!

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Those pics do you justice brother. Lookin' good!!:clap2: I'd say your cut was sucessful. You're gonna show a remarkable difference after putting on 8 to 10 lean Havoc pounds. Train and eat like a monster!!:aargh: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
I have been eating quite a bit TG.I have a high metabolsim so I'm realy enjoying my food right now and not being too concerned about gaining fat.I'm still doing a little bit of cardio here and there and avoiding straight crap food.I am eating things I wouldn't of ate on a regular basis while I was cutting though.I want a whole lot more size and strength.ALOT!!!!!
 
pantera101 said:
I have been eating quite a bit TG.I have a high metabolsim so I'm realy enjoying my food right now and not being too concerned about gaining fat.I'm still doing a little bit of cardio here and there and avoiding straight crap food.I am eating things I wouldn't of ate on a regular basis while I was cutting though.I want a whole lot more size and strength though.ALOT!!!!!
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And you WILL get more..... a lot more!!!:bb3: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
pantera101 said:
Sorry man!I just did.I meant to do it,and then got side tracked and forgot.I'm fixing to cook some of the best fajitas in the world on my grill my parents just gave me,and then mow my lawn later with the lawn mower that was also given to me from my parents.These fajitas are amazing!They are marinated at a little mexican market and about $4 a lb.All you gotta do is cook them.
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Speaking of subbing logs... Where are ya on my epi log Pantera?! ;)

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Nice pics bro!! Your legs are HUUUGGEE!!(homo lol)
Show these fcukers one of DimeBag bro!! That little mofo's buff too!!
 
Heres Dimebag(Dime)!
 

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Man I went shopping in a beater today and bought so much good anabolic food.I was getting stares left and right!Some were outright obvious.Like they would turn so they could look and sh!t!That was great motivation and it felt so good.I will rememeber this today while eating,and tomorrow morning while training.I have gotten plenty of stares before,but not to the extent of today.I felt like a mini markus ruhel if any of you have seen that clip where he goes shopping........
 
I need to order some protien either tonight or in the morning.I was thinking of getting either 5 lbs of dymatize elite whey for $35,or 10lbs of scivation whey for $60.Any input would be apreciated.
 
mcneil0303 said:
KEEP IT ROCKING PANTERA

hey i was wondering when you were cutting how many calories were you taking in daily?
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IDK man.I don't count cals ever.I just go by hunger and my results.The results speak for themselves better than some book or site that tells me how much to eat.One thing DC says is how your cal needs aren't the same from day to day depending on your physical activity.So he actually recomends going by hunger which is what I was already doing.One thing I wasn't doing though that he recomends and I do now,is to get the protien in first,and then eat carbs untill full.I realy like the idea behind that.

If someones thinking you have to count cals,check out Branch Warren........I believe enough said!He doesn't even count cals when preparing for the olympia!!!
 
pantera101 said:
IDK man.I don't count cals ever.I just go by hunger and my results.The results speak for themselves better than some book or site that tells me how much to eat.One thing DC says is how your cal needs aren't the same from day to day depending on your physical activity.So he actually recomends going by hunger which is what I was already doing.One thing I wasn't doing though that he recomends and I do now,is to get the protien in first,and then eat carbs untill full.I realy like the idea behind that.

If someones thinking you have to count cals,check out Branch Warren........I believe enough said!He doesn't even count cals when preparing for the olympia!!!
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My man! couldn't have said it better myself


That protein first carbs then idea is pretty interesting, too. I'll be keeping that in mind
 
nice logs pantera ! cool
Im gonna start my havoc hopefully by next week as im loading the cyc support right. Hey i was taking mass fx for like 5 weeks(still am) and would this be ok to go right into the havoc cycle?
 
poppydogg said:
nice logs pantera ! cool
Im gonna start my havoc hopefully by next week as im loading the cyc support right. Hey i was taking mass fx for like 5 weeks(still am) and would this be ok to go right into the havoc cycle?
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I personally prefer to have a little break between anything test related and a designer myslef.My last break was only like 3 days though.Test boosters realy don't do too much to normal test levels though.I think the bigger problem would be having your estrogen levels highly supressed right before starting a designer.Thats just my opinion though.I don't believe MFX is highly supressive to estrogen.
 
Yea ill probably stop the massfx tomarrow and then start the havoc next week so it would be about a week between. I'll save the rest of the massfx for some pct i guess
you feelin good overall on the havoc?
 
poppydogg said:
Yea ill probably stop the massfx tomarrow and then start the havoc next week so it would be about a week between. I'll save the rest of the massfx for some pct i guess
you feelin good overall on the havoc?
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That sounds good man.

Yeah I have been feeling pretty good on the havoc.I upped the dose to 40mg's today.The doses are spaced out evenly throughout the day,and so far I have only taken 30 mg's.So I haven't hit 40 yet,so obvisouly it's way too early to gauge anything off it.I'm ready for tomorrows workout!Three days a week keeps me so hungry for the gym!Especially after a week break!I took ephedrine,aspirin,and caffiene for my last work out,and that worked out great!I love that stuff!!!Best stim combo ever,and so much cheaper than all these pre wo drinks.So I will continue that.Last time I checked my BP it was 127/71 I believe.Thats great for me cause it's naturally high thanks to my genetics(Pa's side).
 
pantera101 said:
That sounds good man.

Yeah I have been feeling pretty good on the havoc.I upped the dose to 40mg's today.The doses are spaced out evenly throughout the day,and so far I have only taken 30 mg's.So I haven't hit 40 yet,so obvisouly it's way too early to gauge anything off it.I'm ready for tomorrows workout!Three days a week keeps me so hungry for the gym!Especially after a week break!I took ephedrine,aspirin,and caffiene for my last work out,and that worked out great!I love that stuff!!!Best stim combo ever,and so much cheaper than all these pre wo drinks.So I will continue that.Last time I checked my BP it was 127/71 I believe.Thats great for me cause it's naturally high thanks to my genetics(Pa's side).
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Bro you gotta try 10mgs first thing in the AM and then 30mgs 1 hour pre-wo!!!! That's where the strength came from for me. Also 20am and 20 pre-wo was pretty good but the 30mgs pre-wo........fcukin-A!! Forget about it!!!!
 
BlackSheep said:
Bro you gotta try 10mgs first thing in the AM and then 30mgs 1 hour pre-wo!!!! That's where the strength came from for me. Also 20am and 20 pre-wo was pretty good but the 30mgs pre-wo........fcukin-A!! Forget about it!!!!
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I'm with you on this one Sheepster!! I liike to take the bulk of my sh*t pre-workout. Gives me power from beyond power, to charge thru those grueling workouts!!:aargh: Then on non-training days, I spilt it all up evenly throughout the day to keep blood hormone levels balanced out. THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
BlackSheep said:
Bro you gotta try 10mgs first thing in the AM and then 30mgs 1 hour pre-wo!!!! That's where the strength came from for me. Also 20am and 20 pre-wo was pretty good but the 30mgs pre-wo........fcukin-A!! Forget about it!!!!
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I like the idea of having the steady flow in yor system though.That may have just been the epithio kicking in when you tried the 30 pre wo.I know mass tabs took quite some time for me(like three weeks)and I took one pill a day 1/2 hr before training the whole time.I have been wondering about everyone saying how 40 is where it's at.Most do 20/20/30/40 or something like that.So is it 40 is so great,or is it that it just so happened to kick in right around the time they bumped it to 40?

So no one has any input on the scivations protien?I'm probably going to go with dymatize cause it will cost less now,and I can throw some other things in without being charged 50cents for each extra pound!
 
thundergod said:
I'm with you on this one Sheepster!! I liike to take the bulk of my sh*t pre-workout. Gives me power from beyond power, to charge thru those grueling workouts!!:aargh: Then on non-trraining days, I spilt it all up evenly throughout the day to keep blood hormone levels balanced out. THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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But remember,we grow out of the gym.The muscles need to be repaired with rest and plenty of aminos outside of the gym after training.So it makes sence to me to keep the hormones steady so they continue to do their thing with all the nutrients you eat afterwards.As opposed to a flood before training,then a drought afterwards.
 
CrownOfHorns said:
AAAAAARGH! All this talk about havoc is making me want to start mine already!!!! Curse you all! :aargh:













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I thought you were going to contribute to our discussion!:frustrate :lol:You just finished m drol!!!I kinda avoid logs when not on because of this.After my first one I couldn't wait to start another.I counted down the days and was mislead into starting anoth 6 weeks after my first.I got absoultely nothing but neg sides and then had to wait 3 months.So technically a 4.5 month wait.After my last m drol cycle,after the worthless cycle,I have realy cooled down.I actually waited longer than the recomended time on+pct=time off for this one.
 
i actually have a bottle of mdrol that i never used. I was toying with the idea of using it but i had heard the sides were kinda harsh so its still stashed away. The pp for me was a breeze as it worked well and sides were not seen. I think the havoc sides should be minimal from what i see hear:thumbsup:
 
pantera101 said:
I like the idea of having the steady flow in yor system though.That may have just been the epithio kicking in when you tried the 30 pre wo.I know mass tabs took quite some time for me(like three weeks)and I took one pill a day 1/2 hr before training the whole time.I have been wondering about everyone saying how 40 is where it's at.Most do 20/20/30/40 or something like that.So is it 40 is so great,or is it that it just so happened to kick in right around the time they bumped it to 40?

So no one has any input on the scivations protien?I'm probably going to go with dymatize cause it will cost less now,and I can throw some other things in without being charged 50cents for each extra pound!
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Well I didn't try it like that until after it had already kicked in and I tried dosing it different ways so IDK wait another week or so until it's in full swing and try it. That was my fave anyways, but I'm pretty cool so it might not be the same for you IDK.....JK your cool gah!!

O' hey fcuker (you know I love you bro) I just ordered a 10lb thing of the Chocolate scivation protein, should be here in a few days so I'll tell you how it is, coo??
 
BlackSheep said:
Well I didn't try it like that until after it had already kicked in and I tried dosing it different ways so IDK wait another week or so until it's in full swing and try it. That was my fave anyways, but I'm pretty cool so it might not be the same for you IDK.....JK your cool gah!!

O' hey fcuker (you know I love you bro) I just ordered a 10lb thing of the Chocolate scivation protein, should be here in a few days so I'll tell you how it is, coo??
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I can see positives in using a designer both ways....so IDK.I have always read to spread out the dose,and like I said,I like the reasoning behind it.I read the scivation is like ON's protien.but some say it's better.I gota place my order then eat and get to bed myself........Ah I'll place it in the morning.I have to change my adress and all that crap!I'm going to get up earlier than I have to tomorrow so I can train earlier:fool2:.If I wait untill later,that crowd is a little too social for me sometimes.Especially during something like DC.
 
I'd like to see more input on when to dose epi on training days. Both theories have valid points but I wonder if one is better than the other. With pulsing the dose is split pre & post and with odd dosages like 30mg or 50mg the larger dose is taken pre-wo. I assume this is done to give more time for bounce back effect on off days but is it also better for performance? If so then on a straight cycle there might be some benefit had there too. What do you guys think, larger dose pre-wo and spread evenly the rest of the time or spread evenly ED?
 
pantera101 said:
But remember,we grow out of the gym.The muscles need to be repaired with rest and plenty of aminos outside of the gym after training.So it makes sence to me to keep the hormones steady so they continue to do their thing with all the nutrients you eat afterwards.As opposed to a flood before training,then a drought afterwards.
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I don't take all of my hormonals before the workout, just more of them than on non-training days. Say for instance if I were dosing 50 mg. of Epi per day (just for an example) on training days I train in the morning, so I would dose it 30 mg. 1 hour before my A.M. workout, then take 10 mg. at lunchtime, and the last 10 mg. in the evening. On non-training days I would start taking 10 mg. in the morning and 10 mg. more every 3 or 4 hours afterwards until the whole 50 mg. was taken. See what I'm saying? I find it more effective to me. I like the big jolt before my workouts. I would dose D-Bol the same way!! Does this answer help you out too FOO?!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
FOOFAC said:
I'd like to see more input on when to dose epi on training days. Both theories have valid points but I wonder if one is better than the other. With pulsing the dose is split pre & post and with odd dosages like 30mg or 50mg the larger dose is taken pre-wo. I assume this is done to give more time for bounce back effect on off days but is it also better for performance? If so then on a straight cycle there might be some benefit had there too. What do you guys think, larger dose pre-wo and spread evenly the rest of the time or spread evenly ED?
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And the thing of it is,theirs no way to test it.What I mean is it wouldn't be fair cause you'd have to do it one way first,then the other next cycle.Then is it psychological or not?I'm willing to bet you'd have guys say yeah,my workout was much better with better strength and focus when taking larger amounts prewo,then you'd have others saying I didn't notice a difference at all.Their conclusion would probably be right inline with their hypothesis.And you couldn't compare gains cause they will vary from person to person and cycle to cycle..........
 
I started this cycle at 162.Today is day 9,and Weight is at 165.I went from a cut to a bulk,so how much havoc had to do with that,IDK.
 
Shouldn't you be able to tell if there is a performance difference? I know there is other **** that can factor in here but there might be a noticeable difference IDK. Just wondering because I see two that say they prefer it so who has tried both ways and did not feel a difference?
 
FOOFAC said:
Shouldn't you be able to tell if there is a performance difference? I know there is other **** that can factor in here but there might be a noticeable difference IDK. Just wondering because I see two that say they prefer it so who has tried both ways and did not feel a difference?
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But then you got placebo which is what I was getting at.The difference I feel from designers is when strength starts going up.I'm usually amped and have good workouts,but I always feel thats just cause I know I'm on a designer.Maybe a thread should be started?I'm more than happy to continue it here,but in order to get more to chime in it would be wise to start a thread in the steroid section.
 
FOOFAC said:
Shouldn't you be able to tell if there is a performance difference? I know there is other **** that can factor in here but there might be a noticeable difference IDK. Just wondering because I see two that say they prefer it so who has tried both ways and did not feel a difference?
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I have tried it both ways Foo! And I really feel that the way I described it a few posts above is best. Take a larger portion of your hormonals 1 hour pre-workout. A lot of people are gonna say that it's just placebo-effect. That it's all in one's mind. I know I don't have to tell you of the power of the mind. So even if it is placebo, pass me some more damn placebo!!:aargh::aargh: Try it this way on your next run, and you be the judge. That's the only way you're gonna be convinced. THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
Yeah,you would want to do two cycles both ways with the same compound and same dosages I would think.It will also depend on the half life of the compound used also.H drol is supposively 16 hrs.Then you got guys shooting test 1-2 times a week cause it's half life can be extremely long depending on which type of test used...........With something like that,it doesn't matter when it's dosed IMO.The original recomended dose was once a day with halodrol and people loved it.My first,mass tabs were onse a day and I loved them.My last cycle of m drol was one pill once a day,and the first two weeks were greatnes.So............Then it also depends on how androgenic the compund is too,right?I have heard if it's not higly androgenic then strebgth gains caome from added muscle only.Like SD I have heard.
 
Had a great workout today!Today will be my second day at 40mg's.I love the DC style of training!I believe all my training routines from now on will be bassed off the DC principles.When I first started training with free weights at home(I started with my parents cross bow)I would use weights I could hit about 4 reps with.Then once I could hit 10 on my first set,I added to bring them back down to 4 again.On my third or fith set sometimes,I would only hit one rep,but thats great for increasing strength.(this was before I was educated so I though I had wo more to see results)I had great strength gains this way.I wasn't eating right and am not genetically gifted,so size gains weren't so good,but they will be eating right with better mind muscle connection and knowledge I'm sure.I would probably wait untill my reps got up to 15-20 before increasing again.This is similar to DC.The stretching is so much fun and very painfull!Thats what makes it fun!Training three days a week and knowing that you have 1 big set per body part mkes it so easy to give it your all.I hate that disapointed feeling if you rack the bar and realise you could of done 1 more.With multiple sets it's easy to say oh well,I'll just do one more set and go all out this time.Wo's will begin to repeat them selves on Mon.I will show weights and reps and how they hopefully increased,then again at the end of the cycle.Probably during PCT too cause it takes like two weeks for wo's to repeat themselves with DC.
 
Sounds good bro! Glad you're enjoying the cycle and the DC training. It's sorta like what FOOFAC and myself were talking about a couple of weeks ago. How you can truly pour all of your heart and soul into that 1 all-out set without holding anything back! This is what causes strength and size increases. DC sounds a lot like H.I.T. from the old Mike Mentzer days. This is how FOOFAC and myself love to train. It's brutal, but I absolutely love it!! I've been reading a lot about DoggCrapp's training philosophies just because of your enthusiasm over it!! Good reading!!:study::thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod said:
Sounds good bro! Glad you're enjoying the cycle and the DC training. It's sorta like what FOOFAC and myself were talking about a couple of weeks ago. How you can truly pour all of your heart and soul into that 1 all-out set without holding anything back! This is what causes strength and size increases. DC sounds a lot like H.I.T. from the old Mike Mentzer days. This is how FOOFAC and myself love to train. It's brutal, but I absolutely love it!! I've been reading a lot about DoggCrapp's training philosophies just because of your enthusiasm over it!! Good reading!!:study::thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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I was going to mention that,but figured most would be lost and it would of just extended my post even more to mention how ya'll were saying that.Intense muscle is a great web site to find out about the DC training.DC himself is on the site so you can rest assured that most,if not everything is accurate.If somethings are not accurate I'm sure it's just a matter of time before he corrects it or erases it while banning or warning the member.Thiers some misconstrued or false things out there on DC.Partially because at first you had to pay DC to get the info.I believe that was the only way at one time.Now we got intense muscle and the DC dvd.
 
thundergod said:
I have tried it both ways Foo! And I really feel that the way I described it a few posts above is best. Take a larger portion of your hormonals 1 hour pre-workout. A lot of people are gonna say that it's just placebo-effect. That it's all in one's mind. I know I don't have to tell you of the power of the mind. So even if it is placebo, pass me some more damn placebo!!:aargh::aargh: Try it this way on your next run, and you be the judge. That's the only way you're gonna be convinced. THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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I tried it both ways and the larger dose was hands down better for the intensity, strength and pumps IMO. I also spread it out throughout the day on no training days to keep a more normal blood level of the sht.
I have read several studies stating that an early morning dose (when your natty test is at it's highest) is the best way to minimise shutdown, so during my Superdrol run next week I'll be taking the full dose around 4:45am everyday throughout.
 
I take a dose of havoc right before I go to bed along with plenty of protien cause at night is when you grow and recover the most.Then another dose shortly after waking up and spread out from there.
 
pantera101 said:
I take a dose of havoc right before I go to bed along with plenty of protien cause at night is when you grow and recover the most.Then another dose shortly after waking up and spread out from there.
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WHAT???? I agree about the recovery thing but how the fcuk are you sleeping like that????!!?? I couldn't sleep at all hardly on that sht and I took my last dose around 3pm ed.

Hey WTF you got the day off bro??
 
BlackSheep said:
WHAT???? I agree about the recovery thing but how the fcuk are you sleeping like that????!!?? I couldn't sleep at all hardly on that sht and I took my last dose around 3pm ed.

Hey WTF you got the day off bro??
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I haven't noticed any difference with sleeping.I have taken about 30 minutes before going to bed,and pretty much right before going to bed.I have heard it's better for shutdown purposes to not take it at night too,but I don't care personally and wonder how much of a difference it realy makes.I mean shut downs going to happen after x amount of time at x amount dosage I would think.I mean didn't your nuts get smaller?I know they hurt for a while and as you said you never took a dose after 3pm.So far I'm doing just fine in that area.It has so much to do with the individual IMO on alot of these things.

And yeah I basically have it off.I guess were fixing to install a huge a$$ gate.Like 60 something feet.It's a double gate,but that's still huge for a gate.30+ ft each!!!!I'm going to go to my Dads house and do some work out there though.I'm just taking my time and grilling a big hamburger for now,and some turkey for later at my Dads house.You on lunch?
 
FOOFAC said:
Shouldn't you be able to tell if there is a performance difference? I know there is other **** that can factor in here but there might be a noticeable difference IDK. Just wondering because I see two that say they prefer it so who has tried both ways and did not feel a difference?
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Yes, there is a noticeable difference. My workouts during my Epistane pulse were WAY more intense than on my Epi straight cycle. I did 20 and 30mg 1 hour pre-wo during the pulse. The straght cycle, i spread the doses out throughout the day. The sessions during the pulse were more aggressive, libido was higher, endurance was higher, etc.
 
bassgod272 said:
Yes, there is a noticeable difference. My workouts during my Epistane pulse were WAY more intense than on my Epi straight cycle. I did 20 and 30mg 1 hour pre-wo during the pulse. The straght cycle, i spread the doses out throughout the day. The sessions during the pulse were more aggressive, libido was higher, endurance was higher, etc.
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Well damnit!Now I don't know what to do.We now have three who say it's better.I guess I could do 20 pre,then spread out the other 2.But right now I'm taking one every 5 hr's and feel thats best fopr recovery which is the most important IMO.Anyone know the half life of epithios?
 
pantera101 said:
I haven't noticed any difference with sleeping.I have taken about 30 minutes before going to bed,and pretty much right before going to bed.I have heard it's better for shutdown purposes to not take it at night too,but I don't care personally and wonder how much of a difference it realy makes.I mean shut downs going to happen after x amount of time at x amount dosage I would think.I mean didn't your nuts get smaller?I know they hurt for a while and as you said you never took a dose after 3pm.So far I'm doing just fine in that area.It has so much to do with the individual IMO on alot of these things.

And yeah I basically have it off.I guess were fixing to install a huge a$$ gate.Like 60 something feet.It's a double gate,but that's still huge for a gate.30+ ft each!!!!I'm going to go to my Dads house and do some work out there though.I'm just taking my time and grilling a big hamburger for now,and some turkey for later at my Dads house.You on lunch?
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Nah I'm off already bro. Half day:afro:. That's crazy bro I just finished eating a gnarly ass hamburger myself man.......Hoping I don't have to sht it out when I go to the gym in a few lol...
Hey man if you can sleep on that sht more power to ya, psycho!! lol...
Yea me nutses shrank down but I was having sex like 3-4 times ed so I think that was it. I just shot out all that ball juice all over the place and I wasn't producing enough to keep up with demand so they just said fcuk you ******* and quit all together. This cycle no sexy time or spanky-spanky for me for the whole time!! I'll be taking bets to see how long that idea lasts lol......:frustrate
 
pantera101 said:
Well damnit!Now I don't know what to do.We now have three who say it's better.I guess I could do 20 pre,then spread out the other 2.But right now I'm taking one every 5 hr's and feel thats best fopr recovery which is the most important IMO.Anyone know the half life of epithios?
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Do EEEETTTT our way!!!, or no one will like you!!! jk
6-8 hours I think on the half life but I'm sure Dr. bassgod knows fo sho! Right home slice??
 
pantera101 said:
Well damnit!Now I don't know what to do.We now have three who say it's better.I guess I could do 20 pre,then spread out the other 2.But right now I'm taking one every 5 hr's and feel thats best fopr recovery which is the most important IMO.Anyone know the half life of epithios?
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6-8hrs is what i've heard.
 
Well guys,everyone so far thats gave an opinon says they prefer higher doses prewo.I even asked dsade,the owner of RPN,in another thread.
 
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