You know me, Im a creatine always kinda guy but honestly Im probably gonna stick with it in pct only this round. Right now Im on nothing but a multi and the occasional Monster for all the OT I'm doing. This means Im primed for dem gainz brotha!
Excite to see how Msten feels about a week in for them notorious pumps! BTW Hyde didn't you run an Msten stack this year? What were your dosages and duration? Im thinking of running 6 weeks with two bottles, thats 3 caps a day. Pretty sure they are 10mg each so thats 30mg daily. Not looking for a bulk, gonna carb cycle so thats not the reason for the 30 a day. You know how we do, hard and in charge…
Yeah, I moved through a bottle of Ultradrol in about 3 wks (the last 3 of a 7 wk cycle that was kicked with Cyanostane) stacked on top of 8 caps/day of Finaflex's 1-Alpha, 6 tabs/day of AMS's 4AD, & 3/day of their DecaSARM. Msten doses ranged from 16mg for the first few days up through 28mg the last few. For some reason the sealed & totally legit bottle actually had far more than 90 caps, I'd say 120-something if I recall. I was kinda baffled but never contacted Antaeus since it was working totally as expected.
20mg/day was fantastic in the stack; zero sides other than some back pumps. 28mg I felt like I was going to die from my massive bloodpressure headaches; my bp is normally 120/70 & at the doctors it was 155/60 on Msten & those dheas. Even on 1g of TUDCA/day (750mg is actually the prime dose before diminishing returns according to pubmed I've read though) & tons of water my piss was getting quite dark in a frighteningly short period. Even with potassium, electrolytes, & 20+g of taurine the pumps & cramps were a nightmare. I'd wake up from a massive charlie horse screaming every few nights, or calves would just cramp & spasm randomly.
People seem to forget how toxic Msten is because it's so mild at lower doses - it's dimethyl-M1T, structurally, & that seems to translate in the hepatoxicity. I strongly recommend considering 20mg & stacking with something milder like a non-methyl progestin or a 1/4dhea if you need more, but 8wks on Msten is a very sketchy idea, especially at your proposed dosing. I'm on 15mg of M1T right now with a gram of boldione/day w/ 500mg TUDCA & my piss looks excellent, for comparison. Msten is quite toxic.
Is there a down side to taking Creatine all the time?
As Jim mentioned, decreased sensitivity.
But an extended break wasn't recommended?
I believe it was Penn State or another major university that conducted a major 5yr long-term study on the effects of creatine on healthy males & their livers & kidneys. The subjects were given anywhere from 5g to 25g (depending on their group) of creatine monohydrate every single day for 5 years straight. Even the men who took 25g of mono EVERY day showed no noticeable increases in kidney or liver values, although it was found that the excessive consumption in no way improved effectiveness.
So it has been proven to be safe long-term, for healthy men at least.
No, just the natural cyclical nature of only taking them on workout days.
This seems like the most logical move to me anyway - cycling things often makes the body more receptive to the changes when they're re-introduced.
